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Peter V'landys - New NRL/ARLC Chairman

stratocaster

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GWS/Suns did a real number on AFL average attendance, but NRL attendance growth has been nothing short of amazing since coming back from COVID

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NRL 1998 Year 1 = 31.5% of AFL average
NRL 2005 Year 8 = 46.12% of AFL average - set the resistance line - hits it again in 2010 & 2012
NRL 2019 Year 22 = 42.8% of AFL average
NRL 2022 Year 25 = 52.64% of AFL average

Basically 2022:
When the NRL recovers from post-Covid, it's the 4th highest average ever
When the AFL recovers from post-Covid, it's the worst average since 1996 - before the NRL

NRL 2025 Year 28 = 56.93% - record average and closest the gap has ever been
AFL 2025 Year 28 = 36,986 = 2008 average -basically where it was 17 years ago

The future:
The Perth Bears will pull the average down but they'll only have a 5% pull down factor over the entire league's averages. I think they should consider having their biggest game at Optus

Bulldogs, Roosters, Dolphins, Knights, Titans, Rabbitohs, Eels - not restricted by stadium capacity in the medium term - will keep growing

Cowboys - closer to maximum but still has room to grow

Panthers - will get new stadium uplift

Tigers, Dragons - will get stadium redevelopment uplift and can go furthers with some centralisation to SFS

Storm - still have room to grow before they meet consistent sell outs like the Warriors. As someone said elsewhere - substitute just 1 AAMI park game with 1 double header at the MCG during AFL gather round - Storm vs Broncos & Sharks vs Warriors - get a 70k to 90k crowd - their average jumps to 30k automatically.

New Zealand - capacity - need an Eden Park game to breakout

Broncos - close to capacity - need a Suncorp increase or stadium members resell program

Sea Eagles - capacity - give up 1 home game to boost averages past 17k

Raiders - need a better stadium

Sharks - need a better stadium, won't get it. Relocate games to the Central Coast/SFS or Adelaide

There's nothing there that is a major restriction that's going to stop the league's crowd average from continuing to grow with the right management plan.
 

Bukowski

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Indeed

NRL 1998 Year 1 = 31.5% of AFL average
NRL 2005 Year 8 = 46.12% of AFL average - set the resistance line - hits it again in 2010 & 2012
NRL 2019 Year 22 = 42.8% of AFL average
NRL 2022 Year 25 = 52.64% of AFL average

Basically 2022:
When the NRL recovers from post-Covid, it's the 4th highest average ever
When the AFL recovers from post-Covid, it's the worst average since 1996 - before the NRL

NRL 2025 Year 28 = 56.93% - record average and closest the gap has ever been
AFL 2025 Year 28 = 36,986 = 2008 average -basically where it was 17 years ago

The future:
The Perth Bears will pull the average down but they'll only have a 5% pull down factor over the entire league's averages. I think they should consider having their biggest game at Optus

Bulldogs, Roosters, Dolphins, Knights, Titans, Rabbitohs, Eels - not restricted by stadium capacity in the medium term - will keep growing

Cowboys - closer to maximum but still has room to grow

Panthers - will get new stadium uplift

Tigers, Dragons - will get stadium redevelopment uplift and can go furthers with some centralisation to SFS

Storm - still have room to grow before they meet consistent sell outs like the Warriors. As someone said elsewhere - substitute just 1 AAMI park game with 1 double header at the MCG during AFL gather round - Storm vs Broncos & Sharks vs Warriors - get a 70k to 90k crowd - their average jumps to 30k automatically.

New Zealand - capacity - need an Eden Park game to breakout

Broncos - close to capacity - need a Suncorp increase or stadium members resell program

Sea Eagles - capacity - give up 1 home game to boost averages past 17k

Raiders - need a better stadium

Sharks - need a better stadium, won't get it. Relocate games to the Central Coast/SFS or Adelaide

There's nothing there that is a major restriction that's going to stop the league's crowd average from continuing to grow with the right management plan.
If Perth play their first game at Optus and their home Sydney game at Allianz then I'm pretty confident they will ave 20k for their first year.
 

stratocaster

Juniors
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If Perth play their first game at Optus and their home Sydney game at Allianz then I'm pretty confident they will ave 20k for their first year.
I think playing at Optus when the AFL is all in Adelaide makes sense too.

If you play the Bears vs Sea Eagles games twice a year at the SFS, and then have a Sydney team like the Sharks give up a home game, then:

Pro: Bears, Sea Eagles and Sharks home game average increases. The overall NRL average increase. All three teams make more money.

Cons: Sharks give up 1 home game.
 

newc18

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I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.
 

stratocaster

Juniors
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I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.
It's basically a maths trick. They shouldn't play at Optus more than once a year.

12 home games @ HBF - 15,000 average

OR

1 away game @ HBF (Sharks etc)
10 home games @ HBF - 15,000
1 home game @ SFS (Sea Eagles) - 25,000 (Bears fans in Sydney)
1 home game @ Optus (Broncos?) during AFL gather round - 30,000

15,000 average becomes 17,000.

For each 10,000 fans they add to the SFS/Optus games combined, it would add approximately 1000 to their home average. So if the SFS game pulled 30,000 and the Optus game got 35,000, then their home average becomes 18,000.

If they average 17k at HBF, 30k for an SFS game and 35k at Optus, then they'd average 19.6k.
 

Bukowski

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I would rather the Bears just play all thier games at HBF Park and push for an upgrade.

If they are happy to move every big game to Optus Stadium, then there won't be any appetite from the government to upgrade the capacity of HBF Park anytime soon. Plus it's not a bad thing having tickets in-demand.
I think this will be the case except for their inaugural game or home semis
 

Wb1234

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How about once 50 points are scored the game automatically stops regardless of the time elapsed ?

Thats when I switch off anyway

it will end up a point a minute as the benchmark
 

Wb1234

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I’m on the side of too many poor rule changes but here’s the opposite view which is coaches basically tell their teams to cheat and hence why they make rule changes. The coaches are the bigger problem and it’s never going to change. Some do coach their teams positively to actually play footy and not lay down or milk but obviously a minimum


Rugby league coaches are a conniving lot – and it’s time they were exposed.
These are the coaches who deliberately and cynically instruct their players to constantly break the rules, and then complain the loudest when under-pressure referees falter.

Coaches are like a bunch of naughty school kids trying to outwit the relief teacher.

Most breaches in the game are by design — not accident. Coaches employ tactics and antics which intentionally exploit and bend the rules, aimed at securing an advantage and hoodwinking match officials in the cutthroat world of rugby league.

That’s why refereeing is an impossible job.
I’m not a refereeing apologist but officiating will not improve while players and coaches actively work against them.
Adam Reynolds and referee Todd Smith


We see it every week, coaches illegally and immorally pushing the game’s laws to the absolute limits, most centred around the ruck, where the game is essentially won and lost.

As quickly as the NRL pounces on one trend, coaches find a new way of pushing the rules beyond the limit. And it’s the match officials who are left to sort out the new tactics on the run to ensure it’s a level playing field for both teams.
It is a constant battle.

Coaches and their staff spend hours poring over how the game is played and officiated, trying to devise new methods of deceit.

Rugby league doesn’t want to implement new interpretations but if coaches continue creating ways to manipulate the rules, then the NRL has to react.

Each sneaky ruck indiscretion is aimed at slowling down the play-the-ball. The battle these days is being fought in half-seconds and coaches do what they have to do in order to win.

It’s a game of cat and mouse between players and coaches, who push a referee’s patience on 10 metres and ruck infringements, in the hope match officials will simply grow tired of penalising them. They will also apply verbal pressure to the referee by disputing decisions to slow down the restart.
Coaches and staff spend hours trying to devise new methods of deceit.

Coaches and staff spend hours trying to devise new methods of deceit.
Some of these darker antics include:
● Grabbing and holding an opponent’s foot to slow down the play-the-ball;
● Defensive players putting weight on an attacking player’s back, with a player flopping in late;
● Deliberately not packing into scrum, resulting in a penalty to allow 13 on 13 in defence;
● Sleepers who stand next to the ruck, forcing the attack to the other side;
● Rolling ball carriers onto their hip and leg to slow down the play-the-ball;
● Pushing the ball carrier down as the tackler rises to his feet to decelerate the ruck;
● Defenders attempt to swing ball carrier’s legs around after a tackle is complete and they are getting to their feet;
● Three players in a tackle but each leaves one by one to slow down the play-the-ball;
● The third man into a tackle is often the last to release to control ruck speed;
● Hands in the face of a ball carrier on the ground to slow down play-the-ball;
● Players thrash around on ground trying to milk a penalty when a defender has already been released; and
● Defenders kneeling on the ball carrier’s arms at the play-the-ball to slow down the ruck.
There are plenty of antics used to try and get one-up over the refs. Picture: NRL Photos


Coaches have been trying to deceive referees for 118 years but they’re just more sophisticated at it these days.
And I tell you this, coaches shouldn’t be on the NRL rules committee. They will only encourage or block rules changes depending on their team’s playing style.
To be fair, some of the smarter clubs don’t commit as many indiscretions. They seem to know what the referee will do next and exactly how long to stay on a tackle based on the referee and his prompts.

Those intelligent clubs will funnel the attack to their strongest defensive side through how their defenders exit the ruck.
Players have knowingly breached the 10-metre rule in golden point extra time, putting the onus on the referees to make a game-deciding call that will be heatedly debated and become the focus of post-match discussions.

To his credit, referee Peter Gough held his nerve and pinged Parramatta’s Dylan Walker for leaving his line early to contest a field goal, gifting the Wests Tigers a matchwinning penalty in their 22-20 victory on Easter Monday.

But what about the grapple tackle and chicken wing? Or when a defensive team has lost control of the ruck and they purposely give away a set restart so their defensive line can reset?

It goes on each week. Once one manoeuvre is caught and fixed, the next is ready to be launched.

Our coaches consciously place referees under so much scrutiny and then whinge post-game over an adjudication mistake.
 

Last Week

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That's all well and good, but it's impossible to police most of it.

The play the ball is too central to the success a team has in a game. Other rules need to be shifted to remove that emphasis.
 

T-Boon

Coach
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Great article by Dean Ritchie and there needs to be a lot more talk about this issue. We should have a dedicated thread to Dark Arts/Dodgie coaches etc. They are the real problem. The NRL needs a dark arts committee.
The article does not even touch on all the dark arts play around bombs.
 

kurt faulk

Coach
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Great article by Dean Ritchie and there needs to be a lot more talk about this issue. We should have a dedicated thread to Dark Arts/Dodgie coaches etc. They are the real problem. The NRL needs a dark arts committee.
The article does not even touch on all the dark arts play around bombs.

The only thing I got out of that article was a mental image of Humphrey B Bear making hand signals and body movements after every point.

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