Phil Rothfield- Nine Sydney teams is too many

[alien]

Mergers, relocation and straight exemption have already in the past shown to be ineffective.

when was relocation proven to be ineffective???

 

[Lambretta]

Thanks
Honestly i loved school
Grade 2 was the best 3 years of my life

Didn't like high school though. Souths got the wooden spoon both years i was in grade 8

:lol:

thanks for the laughs DNT

 

[Perth Red]

when was relocation proven to be ineffective???

The world of sport is littered with successful relocations. Afl were desperate to get another Melbourne club to move to GC but no one took the carrot.

South Melbourne to Sydney?
Fitzroy to Brisbane?
Houston to Tennessee? (Oilers to Titans)
Oakland to Los Angeles?
Baltimore to New York (Yankees)
Hull KR from west hull to east hull

 

[Perth Red]

I wish smith would give more interviews, preferably with better quality journos. Whilst sloth clearly had a negative agenda at least he asked some pointy questions. I thought some of smiths answers are pretty weak the more you read it. The one on Jnr numbers was particularly poorly answered. If this was to give Sloth a poor article or if Smith really doesn't know the strategy for getting more kids playing the game I'm not sure. Hopefully the former.

 

[roostersrule2]

Thanks
Honestly i loved school
Grade 2 was the best 3 years of my life

Didn't like high school though. Souths got the wooden spoon both years i was in grade 8

Hahaha :lol::lol:

 

[sensesmaybenumbed]

Thanks
Honestly i loved school
Grade 2 was the best 3 years of my life

Didn't like high school though. Souths got the wooden spoon both years i was in grade 8

Well done mate. I chuckled.

 

[siv]

when was relocation proven to be ineffective???

Newtown move to Campbelltown

Is the only one I know of

 

[carcharias]

Sharks sutho to woolooware

 

[DiegoNT]

I don't know if you could count the northern Eagles as a relocation team.
It was virtually a manly takeover off north sydney, and basically used their idea of playing out of the central coast. The whole thing failed because the central coast community wanted their own team with their own identity. A relocated merger team just didnt work in that occasion and the Eagles limped on back to Brookvale.
Would a Queensland location accept a relocated sydney team?
A team relocated to Perth may work, but wouldn't it be better to build that city a true team that the locals could identify themselves with. West Australians are proud of their uniqueness and sort of think of themselves as different to the rest of australia, so a sydney team playing out of perth may not quite work.

 

[rabbitohs95]

A few months back I was doing some light research on the Manly/Norths merger and I found a document from a 2001 newspaper article where a few people commented on how they actually thought Norths would return to the comp and Manly actually being the ones who would become extinct. I'm not too sure why but I think they mentioned that at the time Norths Leagues was getting way more than Manly? If anyone could confirm that was the case, it'd be interesting to see what happened.

 

[Pete Cash]

Why not Easts ? No juniors with only Politis going for them

From a pure dots on the map POV East's and cronulla are probably the most likely but both are financially OK and any changes in Sydney probably needs to be done from a financial POV rather than an area

 

[elbusto]

From a pure dots on the map POV East's and cronulla are probably the most likely but both are financially OK and any changes in Sydney probably needs to be done from a financial POV rather than an area

Why sharks? Money population and juniors all good.

 

[t-ba]

Memory is bit hazy o the precise details these days but iirc this the basics of it. Norths Leagues always had the cash but rather stupidly withheld enough to keep the Bears afloat due to the tiff with the Football club over the relocation in 1999. This was more likely than not an internal power play to gain more influence in the club. However, No one knew how bad it was and they were shocked when Norths went under. By then it was too little to fix the problems up as the NRL informed them that Norths could not apply for a licnese based on a newly made up rule that clubs who had entered administration could not apply. My family was relatively big in the juniors at the time and let me tell you there are some crazy stories surrounding this that probably will not see the light of day.

The administrator then had to find a merger partner AFTER the 14 licenses were all but determined. There was the Parramatta Bears playing in Blue and Gold playing exclusively out of Parra (Fitzgerald HATED the Eels moniker), The Newcastly Knights playing in Red and Blue with a pity game or two at Gosford and the Neagles, whose offer was by far the peast predatory.

The license was always held by Manly, and as long as the club was able to pay its bills, it would revert back to them. Norths, now backed by their Leagues club, did everything in their power to sabotage the JV and in the process hopefully bankrupt Manly so they could take the license. Manly certainly didn't help, making sure to reinforce that Norths were the junior partner, with things like alternate jerseys. The final straw for the JV was in 2001when Norths, sensing it was time to strike, refused to match funding from Manly Leagues when the JV was swimming in red. At that stage, the shell company running the Neagles was wound up and Norths were unceremoniously booted from the JV for 2002.

IMO, they should stuck it out with Souths. With the way the NRL kept moving criteria goalposts, they woukd have been guaranteed to get back in. Better yet, they should have just moved to the SFS instead of trying something as ambitious as relocating to Gosford i n the middle of the Super League war.

Manly is not responsible for Norths demise. Certainly played a large part i the Neagles debacle but neither side entered the arrangement in good faith.

 

[t-ba]

Why sharks? Money population and juniors all good.

The Shire has what, 250k? That is about Northern Beaches side without the potential growth area of the North Shore once Greg Florimo finally keels over.

Still, full credit to the Sharks on turning it around.

 

[alien]

Newtown move to Campbelltown

Is the only one I know of

they planned on moving to campbelltown but the plans fell through. they did play 6 home games at campbelltown in their last year though. if they moved to campbelltown they would have changed their name to newtown-campbelltown jets

 

[thorson1987]

A few months back I was doing some light research on the Manly/Norths merger and I found a document from a 2001 newspaper article where a few people commented on how they actually thought Norths would return to the comp and Manly actually being the ones who would become extinct. I'm not too sure why but I think they mentioned that at the time Norths Leagues was getting way more than Manly? If anyone could confirm that was the case, it'd be interesting to see what happened.

We can only dream.

 

[thorson1987]

Norths Leagues always had the cash but rather stupidly withheld enough to keep the Bears afloat due to the tiff with the Football club over the relocation in 1999. This was more likely than not an internal power play to gain more influence in the club. However, No one knew how bad it was and they were shocked when Norths went under. By then it was too little to fix the problems up as the NRL informed them that Norths could not apply for a licnese based on a newly made up rule that clubs who had entered administration could not apply. My family was relatively big in the juniors at the time and let me tell you there are some crazy stories surrounding this that probably will not see the light of day.

The administrator then had to find a merger partner AFTER the 14 licenses were all but determined. There was the Parramatta Bears playing in Blue and Gold playing exclusively out of Parra (Fitzgerald HATED the Eels moniker), The Newcastly Knights playing in Red and Blue with a pity game or two at Gosford and the Neagles, whose offer was by far the peast predatory.

The license was always held by Manly, and as long as the club was able to pay its bills, it would revert back to them. Norths, now backed by their Leagues club, did everything in their power to sabotage the JV and in the process hopefully bankrupt Manly so they could take the license. Manly certainly didn't help, making sure to reinforce that Norths were the junior partner, with things like alternate jerseys. The final straw for the JV was in 2001when Norths, sensing it was time to strike, refused to match funding from Manly Leagues when the JV was swimming in red. At that stage, the shell company running the Neagles was wound up and Norths were unceremoniously booted from the JV for 2002.

IMO, they should stuck it out with Souths. With the way the NRL kept moving criteria goalposts, they woukd have been guaranteed to get back in. Better yet, they should have just moved to the SFS instead of trying something as ambitious as relocating to Gosford i n the middle of the Super League war.

Manly is not responsible for Norths demise. Certainly played a large part i the Neagles debacle but neither side entered the arrangement in good faith.

Delays in the construction of the Central Coast Stadium really f**ked the Bears.

If it had have been completed to schedule we would've had more chance of surviving as a stand alone entity.

Also the Beagles were doomed from the start.

Geographically, it made sense, but it was as dumb an idea as Souths and Roosters merging.

And I agree standing with Souths was our best chance to get back into the comp.

Whilst I'd love nothing more than to see the Bears back in the NRL, I'm resigned to the fact it will most likely not happen.

 

[alien]

I don't know if you could count the northern Eagles as a relocation team.
It was virtually a manly takeover off north sydney, and basically used their idea of playing out of the central coast. The whole thing failed because the central coast community wanted their own team with their own identity. A relocated merger team just didnt work in that occasion and the Eagles limped on back to Brookvale.
Would a Queensland location accept a relocated sydney team?
A team relocated to Perth may work, but wouldn't it be better to build that city a true team that the locals could identify themselves with. West Australians are proud of their uniqueness and sort of think of themselves as different to the rest of australia, so a sydney team playing out of perth may not quite work.

nar that was a merger. if the central coast bears were to come into the nrl and played all their home games there, it would work

 

[bluey]

The Shire has what, 250k? That is about Northern Beaches side without the potential growth area of the North Shore once Greg Florimo finally keels over.

Still, full credit to the Sharks on turning it around.

I read some where it has more like 500k

 

[t-ba]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sutherland_Shire

210k according to Wiki. I am not missing anywhere outside of the Shire that the Sharks consider their territory am I? Less than I thought. Basically as many as the Beaches.