Philip Anselmo: 'I Would Have Taken A Bullet For Dimebag'

[sydraider]

Im pretty sure Far Beyond Driven went to #1 as well, thats not a bad effort at all considering there is nothing on that album that is even remotely comparable to the typical songs you'd hear on the top 20 charts.

It did and in australia, what surprised me about that is, FBD was a lot heavier than CFH and VDP

 

[beave]

I don't think they were ever the dominant force either, but they were reasonably influential around that time.

Maybe I find the fact that they're on the lighter side of the metal spectrum a reason to refute your claim or perhaps it's because I still believe there were many others more dominant in metal circles.

well who was a dominant force at that time????? Pantera were hugely influential and how you can class them on the lighter side of the metal spectrum has me falling off my chair. SUre bands like Dimmu Borgir and that black metal $hit were probably heavier, but come on, for pure brutality and head banging goodness, pantera are one of the greatest of all time. At the moment, bands like Chimaira, God Forbid, Killswitch Engage, Shaddows Fall, Trivium, Bloodsimple are the next generation of heavy, and every single one of them were influenced by pantera. I wanna know who this dominant force is, and don't say metallica because those poofs lost it in 1991.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

well who was a dominant force at that time????? Pantera were hugely influential and how you can class them on the lighter side of the metal spectrum has me falling off my chair. SUre bands like Dimmu Borgir and that black metal $hit were probably heavier, but come on, for pure brutality and head banging goodness, pantera are one of the greatest of all time. At the moment, bands like Chimaira, God Forbid, Killswitch Engage, Shaddows Fall, Trivium, Bloodsimple are the next generation of heavy, and every single one of them were influenced by pantera. I wanna know who this dominant force is, and don't say metallica because those poofs lost it in 1991.

Couldn't agree more. VDP and FBD had some of the best neck snapping riffs known to man

 

[Darth Bobo]

I remember when ardent Guns'n'Roses fans used to tell me how good Steven Adler was too. I couldn't help but laugh at that one - Adler was useless.

A little off topic but might be good for a laugh....

"Former GUNS N' ROSES drummer Steven Adler has parted ways with the entire ADLER'S APPETITE band that recorded the group's debut EP, including guitarist Keri Kelli (VINCE NEIL, SLASH'S SNAKEPIT), bassist Robbie Crane (VINCE NEIL, RATT) and singer Jizzy Pearl (RATT, LOVE/HATE). Also gone from the band is guitarist Craig Bedford, who performed with the group at some of their headlining shows earlier in the year (replacing Kelli). Adler will utilize an entirely new lineup of musicians for ADLER'S APPETITE's upcoming shows, including guitarist Michael Thomas (BEAUTIFUL CREATURES, TUFF) and, presumably, singer Sheldon Tarsha, who has fronted the group for the past few months since Pearl's departure.

ADLER'S APPETITE recently completed an Argentine tour with a lineup that consisted of Adler, Tarsha, bassist Chip Z'Nuff (ENUFF Z'NUFF), and guitarists Michael Thomas and JT Longoria (IZZY STRADLIN).

In 2006, ADLER'S APPETITE plan to release a full-length CD. Adler is also negotiating to have his long-overdue autobiography released with the plan to have it made into a motion picture in the future."

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=45868

 

[ThrashViking]

Who else was around from 90-96 that got good record sales, legions of fans & played genuine heavy fn metal? Fear Factory (They suck), Sepultura (Who sold out, Roots isnt metal) or Alice In Chains (Grunge)?
& I'll take Nile over the new so-called next generation of 'heavy'

 

[HevyDevy]

well who was a dominant force at that time????? Pantera were hugely influential and how you can class them on the lighter side of the metal spectrum has me falling off my chair. SUre bands like Dimmu Borgir and that black metal $hit were probably heavier, but come on, for pure brutality and head banging goodness, pantera are one of the greatest of all time. At the moment, bands like Chimaira, God Forbid, Killswitch Engage, Shaddows Fall, Trivium, Bloodsimple are the next generation of heavy, and every single one of them were influenced by pantera. I wanna know who this dominant force is, and don't say metallica because those poofs lost it in 1991.

Beave, go to any heavy metal forum and post a thread entitled 'I love Pantera'. You'll be hammered. Why? Because a LOT of metal fans - I mean the types that love their metal and know most bands (everyone from Bathory, Burzum and Darkthrone to Carpathian Forest, Amorphis and November's Doom) will laugh off Pantera as soft pretenders. I don't agree personally and I'm not trying put sh*t on Pantera either but that's fact.

Now, who would metal fans consider the dominant force in metal? Well perhaps the likes of Morbid Angel? Emperor? It's hard to name just one.

Beave, as for that next generation ... oh dear. It's a very ordinary list. That's what you call commercial metal (or hardcore, some of it mallcore). I don't mind KSE but the rest, ugghhh. I saw Chimaira supporting In Flames last year. Nothing special.

I agree with the Nile comment - far better. Give me My Dying Bride, Immortal, Darkthrone and Immolation any day.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Beave, go to any heavy metal forum and post a thread entitled 'I love Pantera'. You'll be hammered. Why? Because a LOT of metal fans - I mean the types that love their metal and know most bands (everyone from Bathory, Burzum and Darkthrone to Carpathian Forest, Amorphis and November's Doom) will laugh off Pantera as soft pretenders. I don't agree personally and I'm not trying put sh*t on Pantera either but that's fact.

Now, who would metal fans consider the dominant force in metal? Well perhaps the likes of Morbid Angel? Emperor? It's hard to name just one.

Beave, as for that next generation ... oh dear. It's a very ordinary list. That's what you call commercial metal (or hardcore, some of it mallcore). I don't mind KSE but the rest, ugghhh. I saw Chimaira supporting In Flames last year. Nothing special.

I agree with the Nile comment - far better. Give me My Dying Bride, Immortal, Darkthrone and Immolation any day.

Morbid Angel declared Pantera as the best Band they have ever heard on their tour where they supported Pantera. I'd suggest those people in the metal forums have not listened to Pantera very closely. How on earth you can call them soft just shows ignorance and stupidity.

Pantera made metal what it is today. These so called "metal" fans should be thankfull to them.

 

[Kakihara]

Fear Factory (They suck),

lol fear factory, i noticed when i was in high school all the nerdy kids loved fear factory and ramstein. I think its that electronic sh*t they have in their music.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Their last album Digimortal was a comedy

 

[HevyDevy]

Morbid Angel declared Pantera as the best Band they have ever heard on their tour where they supported Pantera. I'd suggest those people in the metal forums have not listened to Pantera very closely. How on earth you can call them soft just shows ignorance and stupidity.

Pantera made metal what it is today. These so called "metal" fans should be thankfull to them.

Haha, I'm sure Immortal can thank Pantera for making them what they are today (or were until they recently split).

I think Pantera influenced certain genres of metal but most they had no bearing on whatsoever.

As for calling Fear Factory crap, well they were inconsistent but when they were good they kicked arse.

Two great albums - Obsolete and Demanufacture - and a lot of crap aside from that. Great drumming, some big riffs.

So Shai, if you don't like the electronic sh*t I guess you hate SYL too?

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Haha, I'm sure Immortal can thank Pantera for making them what they are today (or were until they recently split).

I think Pantera influenced certain genres of metal but most they had no bearing on whatsoever.

As for calling Fear Factory crap, well they were inconsistent but when they were good they kicked arse.

Two great albums - Obsolete and Demanufacture - and a lot of crap aside from that. Great drumming, some big riffs.

So Shai, if you don't like the electronic sh*t I guess you hate SYL too?

Demanufacture was a very good album. Raymond is a great drummer, but as a band they have under acheived. As you said - way too inconsistent.

I really don't understand how you can call Pantera soft. They stood true to themselves despite the trends. They flew the metal flag stronger than any band has ever done. Phil died of a heroin overdose, but he was revived and the next night he was playing a show because he didn't want to let down the metal fans. how were they soft? Their music is a long long way from soft. I would say Morbid Angel is softer. just because the vocals are deeper and the drumming faster doesn't make them any less soft. Don't get me wrong I love Morbid Angel, iI saw them live in the states they kicked arse, but The neck snapping riffs and drumming from Pantera has never been rivaled.

 

[HevyDevy]

I never called them soft, I merely stated that there were a lot heavier bands out there. I'm not giving Pantera sh*t at all here, I'm merely saying that compared to the likes of Immortal or Immolation or even SYL they're not in the same league of heaviness. Doesn't mean I don't consider their riffs to be huge.

Of course, in their early days ...

 

[Darth Bobo]

Demanufacture was a very good album. Raymond is a great drummer, but as a band they have under acheived. As you said - way too inconsistent.

I really don't understand how you can call Pantera soft. They stood true to themselves despite the trends. They flew the metal flag stronger than any band has ever done. Phil died of a heroin overdose, but he was revived and the next night he was playing a show because he didn't want to let down the metal fans. how were they soft? Their music is a long long way from soft. I would say Morbid Angel is softer. just because the vocals are deeper and the drumming faster doesn't make them any less soft. Don't get me wrong I love Morbid Angel, iI saw them live in the states they kicked arse, but The neck snapping riffs and drumming from Pantera has never been rivaled.

I think I understand the point of view he's talking from.

The way I see it is that Pantera arn't a soft band but compared to the other bands he has listed I would have Pantera in a category below them in the terms of heavy music. The deeper vocals, faster drumming are part of it but it's also the way they are used that sets bands apart in terms of how far along the metal path they tread. I see the more extreme Death/Black Metal not so much as heavy as Sabbath or Pantera but further along the path.

 

[HevyDevy]

Hmmmm .... that may be a better way of putting it, yes.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

I guess these bands are further evolved in terms of heaviness yes - but not neccessarily heavier.

 

[HevyDevy]

Okay, well the better way to word it is that they (your death and black metal bands) are much further along the metal spectrum than Pantera.

 

[waltzing Meninga]

I guess so, but this doesn't make them a better band. I play in a band that is further down the metal spectrum than Pantera but that doesn't make us better than them or heavier.

 

[LESStar58]

Anselmo said a matter of days before Dimebag died that he deserved to be severly beaten....talk about sh*tty timing.

But its pretty sad...not only to lose such a close friend but also you'd feelextra bad if you hand't gotten along for a while and the person was all of a sudden killed in such circmstances!

 

[waltzing Meninga]

Anselmo said a matter of days before Dimebag died that he deserved to be severly beaten....talk about sh*tty timing.

But its pretty sad...not only to lose such a close friend but also you'd feelextra bad if you hand't gotten along for a while and the person was all of a sudden killed in such circmstances!

Yeah what Phil said was poor on his part, but It all would have blown over and they would have made up eventually, and Pantera would have been back in the studio recording another album soon. Unfortunatley some sick motherf**ker didn't let this happen

 

[beave]

Beave, go to any heavy metal forum and post a thread entitled 'I love Pantera'. You'll be hammered. Why? Because a LOT of metal fans - I mean the types that love their metal and know most bands (everyone from Bathory, Burzum and Darkthrone to Carpathian Forest, Amorphis and November's Doom) will laugh off Pantera as soft pretenders. I don't agree personally and I'm not trying put sh*t on Pantera either but that's fact.

Now, who would metal fans consider the dominant force in metal? Well perhaps the likes of Morbid Angel? Emperor? It's hard to name just one.

Beave, as for that next generation ... oh dear. It's a very ordinary list. That's what you call commercial metal (or hardcore, some of it mallcore). I don't mind KSE but the rest, ugghhh. I saw Chimaira supporting In Flames last year. Nothing special.

I agree with the Nile comment - far better. Give me My Dying Bride, Immortal, Darkthrone and Immolation any day.

I agree, those bands you listed are heavy as, but jesus, they are the most extreme in the metal category, but you said there were more influential and better bands at that time, and that Pantera were soft. Well they are soft compared to Morbid angel and darkthrone and sadistik execution, but lets be honest, Pantera were heavy and sold a $hit tin of albums(probably more than all those bands you stated there combined,though i don't think album sales are a measuring stick for how you rate a band, but they must have influenced a lot of kids of that era with those album sales) and lets face it most bands of the current time list them as a major influence (the tributes to dime were from far and wide). All I'm saying is that I disagree with your statement that there were far more influential heavier bands at the time (early to mid '90s). You can't tell me you have seen more kids walking around in morbid angel and my dying bride t-shirts than you have with pantera shirts???? Just out of interest, what don't you like about those newer bands??? IMO chimaira are one of the best new bands at the moment (the new album is a bit ho hum but the preious one was awesome) and God forbid are pretty good as well.

Beaves