Phillip Hughes has passed away at the age of 25

[El Diablo]

Jeez, I know Masuri have to protect their product but that article is in such poor taste the day after the event.

So if he was wearing your new helmet he'd be fine? Shut up and take my money!

i don't see a problem with it and the media probably asked them some questions so they released a statement

 

[8Ball]

14 minutes seems not too unreasonable. It would have taken a few minutes before the doctor came out. Would have taken more to assess everything and get the phone call made. In any case, all this does is make me hate the f**king media more. The guy's fighting for his life. Lets not have that discussion until the dust has settled.

Edit: Unsurprising that its the gutter journalists at the Daily Telegraph who published this article.

 

[El Diablo]

I'm not saying I expected proper protocols to be in place but when the players saw the seriousness within seconds I can't imagine how it took 14 minutes for anyone to dial 000.

the doc was out there pronto you f**ktard

 

[shaggs]

I don't think so.

If this has hit his neck, I'm assuming directly on the pulmonary artery, then the newer helmet wouldn't have protected him

Not sure if that's a typo MU, but the pulmonary artery is in your chest. Not being a smartarse, but this is what I believe happened.

The ball has hit his neck/base of skull at approximately the C2 level. At this point the vertebral artery exits the relative protection of the verbal column and exits laterally before curling over the C1/2 vertebrae, before re-entering the skull base. It then continues for an inch or two before joining te other vertebral and becoming the basilar artery. This artery supplies the PICA and AICA arteries. These are two important arteries that supply the cerebrum.

I think that the trauma of the impact has cause the vertebral to be ruptured or temporarily blocked, which then cause him to black out and fall forward. At this point in time we don't know as joe public, what the extent of this injury is and therefore the nature and severity of the brain injury that has resulted.

One can only hope that blood supply to his brain remained constant and/or been restored in a time frame that will reduce any further and long term effects.

 

[Wato]

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[Bazal]

Bowling at the body is certainly a well used tactic. Wouldn't be affected by not allowing people to bowl at the head though, would it?

As I said I'd be happier for them to take a more serious approach to helmet design than make some drastic change to the game, but given we only allow a single bouncer per over at the moment anyway it wouldn't be that great a difference banning it completely. As mentioned previously bowlers could still concede a no ball to shake a batsman up, much like pitchers deliberately throw outside the strike zone to move a batter around in baseball (or like bowlers do in the game already when they want to bowl more than 1 at the head in an over)

There is very little wrong with helmet design. You are seemingly desperate to place blame for a freak occurrence. Banning bouncers is not the answer either, it's a knee jerk overreaction.

Personally i would stop wearing helmets were the visors more restrictive. The way I see it, I'm more likely to get hit if I'm struggling to see the ball behind an overgrown and unnecessary visor. Baseball style helmets aren't the answer either...it's hard enough to bat time in a current helmet without getting heat stroke

Fact is this could happen regardless and is nothing more preventable than being hit by lighting. You can minimise the risk, but I've seen fractured skulls through a helmet. Sometimes shit happens.

 

[Pete Cash]

You can bowl two bouncers between shoulder and the top of your head an over in test cricket (and ODI cricket I think since 2012).

While the original one bouncer an over rule was brought in to protect the batsman (1991) it was also brought in to stop the Windies literally bowling overs entirely made up of bouncers. This resulted in it going too far towards the batsman so it was changed to 2 by like 1994. The umpires already have the power to call out intimidatory bowling if they think a bowler is taking the piss.

A lot of rule changes brought in the early 90s were simply to speed the game up rather than stop the windies bouncing people. They had horrific over rates. Same with leg theory its not so much its dangerous (while it is a bit) its just bloody boring. One of the good things about the great Australians sides was the ICC didn't feel the need to change rules because we were boring.

2 bouncers an over is a good balance I think. I would possibly bump it out to three but thats just me.

 

[Twatface Magee]

i don't see a problem with it and the media probably asked them some questions so they released a statement

Nothing comes close to the stupidity of the tweet made by the ABC yesterday.

 

[madunit]

Not sure if that's a typo MU, but the pulmonary artery is in your chest. Not being a smartarse, but this is what I believe happened.

The ball has hit his neck/base of skull at approximately the C2 level. At this point the vertebral artery exits the relative protection of the verbal column and exits laterally before curling over the C1/2 vertebrae, before re-entering the skull base. It then continues for an inch or two before joining te other vertebral and becoming the basilar artery. This artery supplies the PICA and AICA arteries. These are two important arteries that supply the cerebrum.

I think that the trauma of the impact has cause the vertebral to be ruptured or temporarily blocked, which then cause him to black out and fall forward. At this point in time we don't know as joe public, what the extent of this injury is and therefore the nature and severity of the brain injury that has resulted.

One can only hope that blood supply to his brain remained constant and/or been restored in a time frame that will reduce any further and long term effects.

Was a typo sorry. Carotid (sp?) artery was what i meant.

 

[madunit]

Not sure if that's a typo MU, but the pulmonary artery is in your chest. Not being a smartarse, but this is what I believe happened.

The ball has hit his neck/base of skull at approximately the C2 level. At this point the vertebral artery exits the relative protection of the verbal column and exits laterally before curling over the C1/2 vertebrae, before re-entering the skull base. It then continues for an inch or two before joining te other vertebral and becoming the basilar artery. This artery supplies the PICA and AICA arteries. These are two important arteries that supply the cerebrum.

I think that the trauma of the impact has cause the vertebral to be ruptured or temporarily blocked, which then cause him to black out and fall forward. At this point in time we don't know as joe public, what the extent of this injury is and therefore the nature and severity of the brain injury that has resulted.

One can only hope that blood supply to his brain remained constant and/or been restored in a time frame that will reduce any further and long term effects.

Was a typo sorry. Carotid (sp?) artery was what i meant.

My theory was that he has suffered (due to the blow) essentially a stroke do to some arterial blockage.

Obviously i'm no doctor though, so i won't discuss any guesswork theories on my behalf as to what has happened.

 

[Danish]

There is very little wrong with helmet design. You are seemingly desperate to place blame for a freak occurrence. Banning bouncers is not the answer either, it's a knee jerk overreaction.

Personally i would stop wearing helmets were the visors more restrictive. The way I see it, I'm more likely to get hit if I'm struggling to see the ball behind an overgrown and unnecessary visor. Baseball style helmets aren't the answer either...it's hard enough to bat time in a current helmet without getting heat stroke

Fact is this could happen regardless and is nothing more preventable than being hit by lighting. You can minimise the risk, but I've seen fractured skulls through a helmet. Sometimes shit happens.

I honestly don't think you've ever worn a full face grill to be able to make such a call. I played ice and inline hockey with a full face grill for 5 years and never had a problem seeing where I was going or where the puck was. Our goalies certainly didn't have any vision issues either. We played inline in summer, which was generally in factories with no AC in full pads. Obviously our game time wasn't as long but I'd wager we'd lose more body weight in fluid in a 1 hour game of inline than a cricketer would lose batting for a day (ridiculously sweaty sport).


I suppose the bouncer in cricket is just its version of the shoulder charge in league. The shoulder charge got run out of the game due to supposed risk of lawsuits through concussion related injuries. Can't see why the same won't happen to the bouncer in cricket in the long term.

 

[shaggs]

Was a typo sorry. Carotid (sp?) artery was what i meant.

My theory was that he has suffered (due to the blow) essentially a stroke do to some arterial blockage.

Obviously i'm no doctor though, so i won't discuss any guesswork theories on my behalf as to what has happened.

That's what I think too.

 

[tomdl]

They weren't when I was a kid. I finished up juniors 14 years ago.

I stopped playing club cricket when I was 17 in 07 and there were definitely no rules stating we had to wear them, we had to wear them playing school cricket though. I always wore one myself though from 14 onwards after I top edged a pull and had the ball land on my own head.

 

[hineyrulz]

The bouncer is the only weapon a bowler has to set a batsman up? How on earth do spin bowlers get wickets then?

Just reading your reply mate, clearly you don't watch much cricket or have played it. Take away the bouncer and you take away a massive armoury of a quick bowler. Everyone will just be propping on the foot all day without fear of copping one around the ears. Bowlers do it tough enough already.


I work in the cricket industry and Masuri make the best helmets in the world, even with last years model they are still the best of the best. By the look of that footage i doubt the new helmet would have made much difference. It was a freak accident, banning the bouncer would be changing the fabric of the game. Plus there is nothing better than watching a batsman take on fast short pitched bowling. I seriously doubt the rules will be changed at all.

 

[blaza88z]

there's no way they're getting rid of the bouncer in cricket

 

[hineyrulz]

i don't see a problem with it and the media probably asked them some questions so they released a statement

Just saw the interview and his replies were fair enough, he even stated he wasn't sure if the new helmet would have made any difference. He was just stating that not all cricket bodies have got around to using the new Helmets. 8 out of the 11 England players are using the new helmets. Normally a helmet design will last at least two seasons. Sometimes 3, just depends on the manufacturers.

 

[lockyno1]

I honestly don't think you've ever worn a full face grill to be able to make such a call. I played ice and inline hockey with a full face grill for 5 years and never had a problem seeing where I was going or where the puck was. Our goalies certainly didn't have any vision issues either. We played inline in summer, which was generally in factories with no AC in full pads. Obviously our game time wasn't as long but I'd wager we'd lose more body weight in fluid in a 1 hour game of inline than a cricketer would lose batting for a day (ridiculously sweaty sport).


I suppose the bouncer in cricket is just its version of the shoulder charge in league. The shoulder charge got run out of the game due to supposed risk of lawsuits through concussion related injuries. Can't see why the same won't happen to the bouncer in cricket in the long term.

How about this you stick to your Yank sports and we can follow cricket. People have been hit in the helmet for years. This is a one off incident, it won't happen again. The helmets provide PLENTY of protection and bowlers are limited to 2 bouncers an over and that is more than enough in four of the batsmen. Stop comparing cricket to American Sports, they are not anywhere near each other!

 

[hineyrulz]

I honestly don't think you've ever worn a full face grill to be able to make such a call. I played ice and inline hockey with a full face grill for 5 years and never had a problem seeing where I was going or where the puck was. Our goalies certainly didn't have any vision issues either. We played inline in summer, which was generally in factories with no AC in full pads. Obviously our game time wasn't as long but I'd wager we'd lose more body weight in fluid in a 1 hour game of inline than a cricketer would lose batting for a day (ridiculously sweaty sport).


I suppose the bouncer in cricket is just its version of the shoulder charge in league. The shoulder charge got run out of the game due to supposed risk of lawsuits through concussion related injuries. Can't see why the same won't happen to the bouncer in cricket in the long term.

:lol: Now you are just making a fool of yourself, Banning the bouncer for a quick bowler is like banning the cross field kick for a half back. Or even the Dummy, the Shoulder charge was a tiny part of RL. The bouncer for a quick is an important part of his armoury and anyone considering banning it has completely no idea about the game of cricket.

 

[Twatface Magee]

Regardless of whether the rules in regards to the bouncer should or will be changed I think the discussion needs to happen.

 

[African Monkey]

Just reading your reply mate, clearly you don't watch much cricket or have played it. Take away the bouncer and you take away a massive armoury of a quick bowler. Everyone will just be propping on the foot all day without fear of copping one around the ears. Bowlers do it tough enough already.


I work in the cricket industry and Masuri make the best helmets in the world, even with last years model they are still the best of the best. By the look of that footage i doubt the new helmet would have made much difference. It was a freak accident, banning the bouncer would be changing the fabric of the game. Plus there is nothing better than watching a batsman take on fast short pitched bowling. I seriously doubt the rules will be changed at all.

Agree with everything you said there. I remember when Daniel Flynn got cracked by a Jimmy Anderson bouncer the first thing I wondered was why he was wearing an albion helmet instead of a masuri, same with when Craig Cumming getting hit by Dale Steyn.