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Phone taps put Sharks under pressure

ghoti

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Credit card receipts and recorded phone conversations may be tabled as evidence when Cronulla players begin meeting Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators next week.
Despite complaints from federal Sports Minister Kate Lundy that the Sharks had not made any of their players available to be interviewed, Fairfax Media understands that ASADA and legal representatives for the players had agreed last week to a process and time frame for that to occur.
Further talk between ASADA and the player representatives, who Cronulla officials insist have been operating at arm's length from the club since their appointment, are set to continue next week.
Up to 14 Sharks players are then expected to become the first from the NRL to be interviewed by ASADA over the doping scandal that threatens to destroy Cronulla's season.
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A number of Manly players are also believed to be facing drugs bans, including one whose name Fairfax had been told was listed in the Australian Crime Commission report into doping and match-fixing with Darren Hibbitt, who has admitted supplying substances to players at three NRL clubs.
Hibbitt, an owner of Advanced Sports Nutrition, told the ABC 7.30 program on Wednesday that he had sold supplements to players at Cronulla and Manly in the car park of the club's training grounds. He also said his client list included at least one Cowboys player.
Fairfax understands ASADA's evidence against players includes credit card receipts for the purchase of banned substances and recorded phone conversations from phone taps.
With the ACC having conducted an investigation for more than 12 months before publicly releasing a report last month, it is believed that a lot of the evidence has already been collected and ASADA is now trying to gain confessions.
Sharks players last week rejected an offer of a six-month ban if they plead guilty to taking performance enhancing substances but some may change their minds after
meeting ASADA investigators. The deal was negotiated by former ASADA chief counsel Richard Redman, who was appointed by the club to represent the players, and he had initially indicated that they had little to worry about. But after learning of the evidence against them, he advised the players to accept the six-month bans.
''What the players need to ask themselves is whether they were told what the substances were, did they know it was illegal, are there phone taps of them discussing it, are there credit card receipts of them buying it, are there any witnesses who have given evidence that they knew what they were doing was illegal. If they answer yes to any of those questions then six months could be seen as a good deal for them,'' a source close to the investigation told Fairfax.
''On the other hand, if it was provided for them, they were assured it was legal and they accepted what they were told then they should stand up for themselves. They are decisions each player has to make for themselves.''
After the termination of controversial sports scientist Stephen Dank's involvement with the club on May 29, 2011, Cronulla players were told not to have any further contact with him, but there are suspicions that three players did maintain a relationship.
However Dank said he had not stayed in contact with players he knew from his stints at Manly and the Sharks. ''Once I left an NRL team I had no contact with any of their players in any capacity,'' he said in a statement to Channel Nine.
Dank also denied supplying players at Cronulla with any ''horse drugs'', saying: ''I don't know where that has come from. I have never advised a single player to use them or, worse, told them to take them.''
Channel Nine reported that Dank said he had a close working relationship with former Manly coach Des Hasler during his five years at the club from 2006 to 2010.
He also said Cronulla's high-performance staff knew about the club's use of peptides.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...er-pressure-20130314-2g3mc.html#ixzz2NYUDrHg0
 

ghoti

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The whole no evidence thing we were all half believing may not be so true after all...
 

DJShaksta

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If they had hard evidence the players would be stood down already.
If the phone taps had anything definitive on tem te players would be stood down already.
 

spider

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Credit card receipts and recorded phone conversations may be tabled as evidence when Cronulla players begin meeting Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority investigators next week
So this speculation would be from the ACC as ASADA are legislatively bound not to discuss evidence.

So where do the ACC intercept phone taps? One has to wonder if OLMC chapters are involved to a point in light of the recent major operation handing out arrests.
 

Isurus

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What a debacle - if this evidence is so damning on individuals and worthy of wrist slitting - why would players be offered leniency for pleading guilty?

Maybe its just wishful thinking and the eternal optimist in me that keeps saying that the evidence is still not strong enough for player bans?
 

DJShaksta

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What a debacle - if this evidence is so damning on individuals and worthy of wrist slitting - why would players be offered leniency for pleading guilty?

Maybe its just wishful thinking and the eternal optimist in me that keeps saying that the evidence is still not strong enough for player bans?

This.
If they had concrete evidence they'd offer no deals, they'd offer no chance to confess, they'd just charge players with doping.

I don't believe they have the evidence to do so.
 

Frailty

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This.
If they had concrete evidence they'd offer no deals, they'd offer no chance to confess, they'd just charge players with doping.

I don't believe they have the evidence to do so.

There's two reasons:

1. Confessions would reduce the amount of resources ASADA would use as opposed to charging the players and then fend off any challenges.
2. The players are the first target, but they are after important information beyond the players.
 

newman

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Why does everybody believe they have no evidence, or the evidence they do have is weak?

Genuine question.
 

Poss

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I guess because everytone thinks that if they have evidence, players would have been stood down by now?
 
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Why does everybody believe they have no evidence, or the evidence they do have is weak?

Genuine question.

Because of two previous occupations.

If you have evidence now that substantiates a charge/s then you charge them now. If anything else arises then further charges can be laid.

I have no doubt that they have something but it's not nearly enough to lay charges. They are trying to do two thing;

1/ Get admissions and early pleas to save them time and possible court hearing / appeals and;
2/ To coerce the 'suspects' into providing information against other parties.

The civil proof required is 'balance of probabilities' whilst the criminal burden is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

I also believe they are being very cautious due to possible defamation cases.

Just my thoughts.
 

Nuffs

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yeah i subscribe to the theory of "why are they allowing them to continue to play if they are guilty"

although maybe thats not ASADA's issue - it's the NRL's of what to do if they are found guilty and suspended

too many liars in this whole thing though: board, ASADA, players, sacked staff...
 

Quigs

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Because of two previous occupations.

If you have evidence now that substantiates a charge/s then you charge them now. If anything else arises then further charges can be laid.

I have no doubt that they have something but it's not nearly enough to lay charges. They are trying to do two thing;

1/ Get admissions and early pleas to save them time and possible court hearing / appeals and;
2/ To coerce the 'suspects' into providing information against other parties.

The civil proof required is 'balance of probabilities' whilst the criminal burden is 'beyond reasonable doubt'.

I also believe they are being very cautious due to possible defamation cases.

Just my thoughts.

Bloody truck drivers - they think they know everything
 

newman

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yeah i subscribe to the theory of "why are they allowing them to continue to play if they are guilty"

although maybe thats not ASADA's issue - it's the NRL's of what to do if they are found guilty and suspended

too many liars in this whole thing though: board, ASADA, players, sacked staff...


Paul Keating once said "Always back self interest because at least you know it is trying"
 

Surely

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I'm sure they do have credit card slips and phone taps.

Was the substance illegal though ?
 

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