Players refusing to sing the National anthem in protest

[carcharias]

Just change some of the lyrics. Instead of “for we are young and free”, change it to something like “from old and new we come” instead of “of beauty rich and rare” something like “our ancient spirits strong”. You get the idea.

While not the worst idea
I don’t think that is really what they want or what it deserves.

 

[Perth Red]

While not the worst idea
I don’t think that is really what they want or what it deserves.

For sure it’s a compromise but I can’t see them ever changing the anthem fully to a totally different one. Better recognition in current one than nothing.

 

[magpie4ever]

Just change some of the lyrics. Instead of “for we are young and free”, change it to something like “from old and new we come” instead of “of beauty rich and rare” something like “our ancient spirits strong”. You get the idea.

Not bad, better than the another f**kwits whinging.

 

[magpie4ever]

For sure it’s a compromise but I can’t see them ever changing the anthem fully to a totally different one. Better recognition in current one than nothing.

See what I mean about the whinging f**kwit brigade.

 

[carcharias]

For sure it’s a compromise but I can’t see them ever changing the anthem fully to a totally different one. Better recognition in current one than nothing.

It’s already changed once in my lifetime.

 

[carcharias]

Not bad, better than the another f**kwits whinging.

Have a cry

 

[Willow]

I don't believe anyone is denying the horror stories.

There are plenty of people who are in denial. And there are people who peddle the myths. Then there are those who are simply unaware, preferring to believe the same myths that were taught in school and continue to be perpetuated by the media.

Politicians are amongst the worst when it comes to promoting these lies and misrepresenting our history. And it's not in the distant past, it's a very recent thing.

 

[myrrh ken]

Comparing Australia to New Zealand in this regard is stupid. There're totally different social and historical forces at play.

For one thing the Maori united, organised and manged to effectively fight the British to a stalemate, which forced the British to make peace deals and arrangements to work with the Maori instead of being able to simply dominate them.

That never happened in Australia (or anywhere else that I can think of), and it creates a totally different dynamic historically, because instead of being a conquered people, which if we are being honest is what the Aboriginals were (as were the Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Cornish, Indians, etc, etc), the Maori were never conquered and as such forced the British to treat them as equals (well as close to equals as was possible in those times).

So yeah trying to compare Australia with NZ is like trying to compare apples and oranges, which is why you have such different outcomes.
Not if they weren't English...

but our indigenous are treated worse than every other former british colony, including US and Canada.

 

[carcharias]

There are plenty of people who are in denial. And there are people who peddle the myths. Then there are those who are simply unaware, preferring to believe the same myths that were taught in school and continue to be perpetuated by the media.

Politicians are amongst the worst when it comes to promoting these lies and misrepresenting our history. And it's not in the distant past, it's a very recent thing.

I was taught literally zero about indigenous culture at school.
The only things I recall were
King from the Burke and wills expedition being saved by the indigenous.
Maybe Buckley the convict had contact when he went on the run.

 

[Willow]

Crap, most were tongue in cheek.

I am Australian is probably the only one.

Waltzing Matilda was tossed in the 1970s.

I was serious when I suggested I am Australian. Said it twice that it was the song of choice in the Australian Parliament when the gay marriage bill was passed. It takes a lot to get Australians to show their national pride burst into song. Similar stuff was happening across the country. There was no spontaneous singing of Advance Australia that I recall.

 

[franklin2323]

but our indigenous are treated worse than every other former british colony, including US and Canada.

Each tribe had their own language. A language which wasn't written down. Compare that to the Moari and honestly how would it go any other way?

That said while not pretty the story should be told. If part of that story is moving forward is changing the anthem then so be it

 

[myrrh ken]

Take a leaf out of the kiwis book and sing the chorus twice
Im sure we can all master in in Yawuru.

 

[Willow]

I was taught literally zero about indigenous culture at school.
The only things I recall were
King from the Burke and wills expedition being saved by the indigenous.
Maybe Buckley the convict had contact when he went on the run.

I believe that's where 'Buckley's chance' comes from.

We were taught that the Aboriginals were too peaceful and didn't fight back. The underlying message being that they weren't really entitled to the land because they weren't willing to fight for it. Afterwards I found out this was a complete lie. Warriors like Pemulwuy and Windradyne fought hard - this should be taught in every school. Maybe it is nowadays, if so it's a long time overdue.

If they were Americans, someone would be making movies about them.

Burke and Wills are more well known, and they were idiots. All they did was go out into the desert and died due to their own stupidity. Ill-equipped for the conditions and unwilling to take advice from locals who had been there for tens-of-thousands of years.

 

[carcharias]

I believe that's where 'Buckley's chance' comes from.

We were taught that the Aboriginals were too peaceful and didn't fight back. The underlying message being that they weren't really entitled to the land because they weren't willing to fight for it. Afterwards I found out this was a complete lie. Warriors like Pemulwuy and Windradyne fought hard - this should be taught in every school. Maybe it is nowadays, if so it's a long time overdue.

If they were Americans, someone would be making movies about them.

Burke and Wills are more well known, and they were idiots. All they did was go out into the desert and died due to their own stupidity. Ill-equipped for the conditions and unwilling to take advice from locals who had been there for tens-of-thousands of years.

My kids are taught a little about it.
They have naidoc week and get people in to talk about the local area and clans.
About what being on country means etc etc.
I went to the parents session .
Seriously
In a school of 800 students
There was the head master, a nun , 2 aboriginal parents ( one an indigenous affairs social worker ) and me.
Plus the girl from Wanadana.
f**king embarrassing.

Put on a free BBQ for Father’s Day and you can’t move.

Yep the saying
“You’ve got Buckleys” , is from him.

 

[carcharias]

Take a leaf out of the kiwis book and sing the chorus twice
Im sure we can all master in in Yawuru.

There is a doco called big name no blanket
It’s about Warumpi band
It is virtually impossible to find online.
I saw it once on SBS

It shows George Burarrwanga’s last Ever performance.
He was at some big fancy recital hall in Melbourne ( I think )
He was dying at the time from bone cancer.

He was wearing his full leather indigenous flag suit.
He did My island home
First half in English and then in his native language .
Spine chilling...
up there Bob Marley playing redemption song as his last ever song in public.

 

[Willow]

Please don’t not take this as me defending the British - they were merkins - but I’ve never heard that aboriginal culture had a form of written language?

Once again, not defending the brits and their merkin ways, just interested to learn if there was actually a form of written aboriginal language

They didn’t because they had the most intricate form of oral historical record in history. As such, it never needed to evolve.

According to the British, history had to be written down to exist. It completely ignored the fact that indigenous Australians could give you a dozen generations of their family history via oral history.

The Vikings relied on oral history as well. And they pretty much conquered anyone who got in their way.

Memorisation, or committing something to memory, is a real skill that most of us have largely lost. To suggest that no written language shows a lack of intelligence is another myth.

There's a field of study that links memorisation to the improvement of neural pathways, and this includes learning from cultures that have developed oral histories.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Comparing Australia to New Zealand in this regard is stupid. There're totally different social and historical forces at play.

For one thing the Maori united, organised and manged to effectively fight the British to a stalemate, which forced the British to make peace deals and arrangements to work with the Maori instead of being able to simply dominate them.

That never happened in Australia (or anywhere else that I can think of), and it creates a totally different dynamic historically, because instead of being a conquered people, which if we are being honest is what the Aboriginals were (as were the Scottish, Welsh, Irish, Cornish, Indians, etc, etc), the Maori were never conquered and as such forced the British to treat them as equals (well as close to equals as was possible in those times).

So yeah trying to compare Australia with NZ is like trying to compare apples and oranges, which is why you have such different outcomes.
Not if they weren't English...

Good luck finding Irish, Scottish, etc, people that weren't connected by family to the aristocratic class in London that weren't treated terribly. Heaven forbid that you were a Asian person (normally Chinese) that had come to the gold fields or something.

Like I said compare the treatment of Maori with indigenous Australians.

Completely different.

Maori even have seats set away in parliament for them, land rights and a treaty from the 1860s. (imagine the outcry if that happened here)

Thanks for making my point.

Convicts (Irish or whatever) didn't even have walls around them unless they were locked away in a prison. They worked as servants. Most were given a ticket of leave where they started a new life. In fact we'll behaved convicts could have their families sent out as well.

Those that were treated harshly were those who continued committing crimes.

What is comparing apples and oranges is comparing the treatment of convicts with Aborigines.

 

[Mr Spock!]

Other than not singing the National Anthem, did Walker do anything last night ?

Cause I remember watching him not sing, then nothing for 80 minutes after that, well except for the bench warming.

More than Cleary did. Set up the last try and gave a pass to put Mitchell away but stuffed up.

Maybe Cleary didn't sing the national anthem.

 

[WaznTheGreat]

National anthems are meaningless,patriotism is embarrassing,all countries on the planet are as equally useless and overrated as one another

 

[Timmah]

National anthems are meaningless,patriotism is embarrassing,all countries on the planet are as equally useless and overrated as one another

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