PNG's back.

[Pneuma]

The next club will be Perth. then in ten years or more probably Brisbane3, then probably NZ2.

I’d say PNG first. Maybe Perth in 2073.

 

[Perth Red]

So where would a Pacifica team play its 12 home games and have its training base located?

In Andrew Johns imagination!

 

[Pneuma]

In Andrew Johns imagination!

More importantly in Albos imagination. Are you going to come up with some juvenile nickname for the PM now?

 

[MugaB]

how do they attract/keep players when far more attractive lifestyle and safety options exist in the other 17 nrl clubs?

Base it in Cairns...

 

[MugaB]

So where would a Pacifica team play its 12 home games and have its training base located?

The Rugby Union, have Moana Pasifika, they are based in Auckland.... why?
Shouldn't a team called Pasifika be based in tonga or samoa or cook islands etc... no the population in those small islands, plus infrastructure couldn't support a roaming team representing them all.. but pick a base where there's significant amount of players and fans from the Pacifica and it becomes viable...

If NRL want a Pasifika type team, thet would need to do the same, as Auckland 2

If PNG want to recruit players that aren't of png heritage to play for and NRL side representing the a team from PNG (just as the Auckland Warriors were in '95) they would need a nearby city that has Australian ties that isn't too far away, and can sustain an NRL team somewhat..
Cairns is an hour flight from port moresby..
Which is a lot closer than Tonga/Samoa/CookIs is to Auckland for the Pasifika example..
Cairns would be too small a city to have its own team, but Townsville is similar yet draws enough to be successful...
I likened Cairns to be similar to Wollongong, so having half the games played there is enough, and hey dragons are now based in Wollongong and play onky half their games there, why should this be any different

Cairns provides safety and base area/mascot (Pride =lion, strong brand)
PNG provide untapped talent, increased player pool and their Colors, if there is an issues regarding funding, and Aus Govt wanted to fund it... having the sports team based in Australia would be preferable to them anyways, at least it could be monitored, not like the reports of corruption in PNG, could affect them if they were based there

 

[Pneuma]

The Rugby Union, have Moana Pasifika, they are based in Auckland.... why?
Shouldn't a team called Pasifika be based in tonga or samoa or cook islands etc... no the population in those small islands, plus infrastructure couldn't support a roaming team representing them all.. but pick a base where there's significant amount of players and fans from the Pacifica and it becomes viable...

If NRL want a Pasifika type team, thet would need to do the same, as Auckland 2

If PNG want to recruit players that aren't of png heritage to play for and NRL side representing the a team from PNG (just as the Auckland Warriors were in '95) they would need a nearby city that has Australian ties that isn't too far away, and can sustain an NRL team somewhat..
Cairns is an hour flight from port moresby..
Which is a lot closer than Tonga/Samoa/CookIs is to Auckland for the Pasifika example..
Cairns would be too small a city to have its own team, but Townsville is similar yet draws enough to be successful...
I likened Cairns to be similar to Wollongong, so having half the games played there is enough, and hey dragons are now based in Wollongong and play onky half their games there, why should this be any different

Cairns provides safety and base Area/mascot, PNG provide players and Colors, if there is an issues regarding funding, and Aus Govt wanted to fund it... having the sports team based in Australia would be preferable to them anyways, at least it could be monitored, not like the reports of corruption in PNG, could affect them if they were based there

Have them play out of PNG in an upgraded secure stadium. As an adjunct, deliver NRL programs and develop male and female comps throughout the country while focussing in also delivering education programs across the country. Make it a true NRL/Aus Government joint project. Having the player base in cairns to fly in and out would ensure stronger recruitment. Lots of ideas. It could work.

 

[The Great Dane]

I disagree, and they wouldn't be fly in every 2nd week to png, it would be once a month,
6 games in Cairns, 6 games in Port Moresby
Not too different a situation to what St.george Illawarra Dragons do with Kogarah and Wollongong, only that it's sydney that has another 8 clubs which doesn't hurt the travel away as much for the dragons

Of all the PNG proposals, these ones where you split games between either Carins or Darwin and Port Moresby are by far the stupidest.

There's a giant difference between splitting games between Kogarah and Wollongong (which hasn't been very successful anyway) and splitting games between two countries.

It doesn't make any commercial sense whatsoever to split games between an Australian city and PNG like that. The PNG tickets and memberships would have to be extremely cheap by Australian standards to attract a solid customer base, and carving off half your home games and giving them to PNG would make the Australian memberships worth about half the average of the other clubs memberships value.

You'd basically be placing yourself in a position where you're charging a premium for 6 game memberships in Australia to try and cover the loses you're racking up in PNG. At that point you may as well just cut the expensive PNG element out and try to make a go of it in Cairns alone, or even better, ignore PNG and the small regional market that Cairns is, and focus your efforts on one of the larger metro markets without representation. . .

I highly doubt that PNG would be interested in sharing a side with an Australian city anyway, in fact they'd probably find it pretty offensive by and large, and the people of Cairns would see it for what it was, i.e. they'd only be a part of it to prop up the PNG element and not because the team actually exists for Cairns, and probably wouldn't be that interested either.

 

[Pneuma]

There's a giant difference between splitting games between Kogarah and Wollongong (which hasn't been very successful anyway) and splitting games between two countries.

It doesn't make any commercial sense whatsoever to split games between an Australian city and PNG like that. The PNG tickets and memberships would have to be extremely cheap by Australian standards to attract a solid customer base, and carving off half your home games and giving them to PNG would make the Australian memberships worth about half the average of the other clubs memberships value.

You'd basically be placing yourself in a position where you're charging a premium for 6 game memberships in Australia to try and cover the loses you're racking up in PNG. At that point you may as well just cut the expensive PNG element out and try to make a go of it in Cairns alone, or even better, ignore PNG and the small regional market that Cairns is, and focus your efforts on one of the larger metro markets without representation. . .

I highly doubt that PNG would be interested in sharing a side with an Australian city anyway, in fact they'd probably find it pretty offensive by and large, and the people of Cairns would see it for what it was, i.e. they'd only be a part of it to prop up the PNG element and not because the team actually exists for Cairns, and probably wouldn't be that interested either.

I’d make it 100% games played in PNG but the side based out of Cairns until security and safety of players can be assured. Quid pro quo. They get a team at least, but with conditions.

 

[Iamback]

Have them play out of PNG in an upgraded secure stadium. As an adjunct, deliver NRL programs and develop male and female comps throughout the country while focussing in also delivering education programs across the country. Make it a true NRL/Aus Government joint project. Having the player base in cairns to fly in and out would ensure stronger recruitment. Lots of ideas. It could work.

Yep the stadium is decent now, So only would take a new Stand or 2 not a total new build.

AusPacific sport sponsors the Hunters to do that, They also do similar with Fiji Ron Massey Cup so the support is already there

 

[Iamback]

I’d make it 100% games played in PNG but the side based out of Cairns until security and safety of players can be assured. Quid pro quo. They get a team at least, but with conditions.

You aren't getting the whole country sorted just Port Moreseby. Would only take a little housing estate then they could comfortably live

 

[MugaB]

Have them play out of PNG in an upgraded secure stadium. As an adjunct, deliver NRL programs and develop male and female comps throughout the country while focussing in also delivering education programs across the country. Make it a true NRL/Aus Government joint project. Having the player base in cairns to fly in and out would ensure stronger recruitment. Lots of ideas. It could work.

Two reasons i feel it works, Cairns is underrepresented, the cowboys say they represent them, but they are 4 hours away, and don't take home games there... so how are they represented? The two cities have a rivalry, more of a healthy bickering over whos more populated/popular... it could be a great fued to neighbouring sides..

The other reason is the potential of this joint bid branding, when the broncos got put together in '88, its was a bronco, very strong Americanised sports logo, but they wanted gold and blue, the brisbane city colors, well there's a lot of city colors with gold and blue, and Parramatta already were the "blue and gold" team in this competition, so as a new expansion side, changing your colors is wise..
Wayne Bennett chose to go with Maroon and gold, as it was more "Queenslander" than whatever the blue and gold was going to represent...
Currently the Northern Pride are 2 Blues, Orange and white... basically its the Titans colors, i would keep the Pride part as a Lion logo.. and the name "Northern" as they would be the most northernist team in the competition (aka like the western reds '95)
but drop the colors... add in the PNG Hunters colors instead and use the name "HUNTERS" as the team name, as a lion is a hunter of sorts, hence the full logo

 

[Pneuma]

You aren't getting the whole country sorted just Port Moreseby. Would only take a little housing estate then they could comfortably live

People I know who’ve been there for work say they require extraordinary levels of security and rarely are at ease. I think a local based side would be very difficult to achieve at least initially.

 

[Colk]

If the NRL choose this is as the next side, so be it but the probability of this working well is extremely low, based on country’s economy, security and political climate.

Whilst I understand the argument around player development (although would it benefit this side or would it just benefit everybody else), people are simply neglecting the financial and logistical side of all this. There are just so many obvious pitfalls to this.

 

[Pneuma]

Two reasons i feel it works, Cairns us underrepresented, the cowboys say they represent them, but they are 4 hours away, and don't take home games there... so how are they represented? The two cities have a rivalry, more of a healthy bickering over whos more populated/popular... it could be a great start to a neighbouring sides..

The other reason is the potential of this joint bid branding, when the broncos got put together in '88, its was a bronco, very strong Americanised sports logo, but they wanted gold and blue, the brisbane city colors,, well there's a lot of city colors with gold and blue, and Parramatta already were the "blue and gold" team in this competition, so as a new expansion side, changing your colors is wise..
Wayne Bennett chose to go with Maroon and gold, as it was more "Queenslander" than whatever the blue and gold was going to represent...
Currently the Northern Pride are 2 Blues, Orange and white... basically its the Titans colors, i would keep the Pride part as a Lion logo.. and the name "Northern" as they would be the most northernist team in the competition (aka like the western reds '95)
but drop the colors... add in the PNG Hunters colors instead and use the name "HUNTERS" as the team name, as a lion is a hunter of sorts, hence the full logo
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Nrl should contract us out as advisors for 12 months . We’d need some beer.

 

[Iamback]

People I know who’ve been there for work say they require extraordinary levels of security and rarely are at ease. I think a local based side would be very difficult to achieve at least initially.

South Africa has similar issues but find work arounds. I'd rather go to where the players are than try to find players

 

[Pneuma]

If the NRL choose this is as the next side, so be it but the probability of this working well is extremely low, based on country’s economy, security and political climate.

Whilst I understand the argument around player development (although would it benefit this side or would it just benefit everybody else), people are simply neglecting the financial and logistical side of all this. There are just so many obvious pitfalls to this.

Tend not to agree. An NRL side would be properly subsidised to function. Its budget would be a drop in the ocean for governments and would definitely attract serious sponsorship. The trick is to make the team part of a greater commitment to improve the country overall. The side would be the flagship for modernising the country. It’s great promotion for the game, has honourable intent, and could help transform the economy and social climate.

 

[MugaB]

If the NRL choose this is as the next side, so be it but the probability of this working well is extremely low, based on country’s economy, security and political climate.

Whilst I understand the argument around player development (although would it benefit this side or would it just benefit everybody else), people are simply neglecting the financial and logistical side of all this. There are just so many obvious pitfalls to this.

Thats why it should be based in Australia, if there is pitfalls in PNG and aust govt is paying for it, then thats wasted money.. govt wants a favorable outcome for png/aus relations, this being based in cairns is right up their alley... support a RL team representing PNG.. money isn't the issue here, its safety... and marquee player attraction, both wont exist in port moresby

NRL gets an 18th team funded by the govt, which bears fruit for expanding the player pool..
Aus govt gets PNG favor in the political landscape (vs china)
Cairns gets represented in the NRL, which otherwise wouldnt be. (cowboys really isnt)
PNG get an NRL team that represents the area, and genuine 1st grade pathway, that isn't just a link to dolphins or storm etc..

Its all winning here

You guys can all get hung up on the miniature of sponsorships and logistics all you like but this works, and PNG in the NRL would be bigger than Warriors were in '95..

 

[Iamback]

If the NRL choose this is as the next side, so be it but the probability of this working well is extremely low, based on country’s economy, security and political climate.

Whilst I understand the argument around player development (although would it benefit this side or would it just benefit everybody else), people are simply neglecting the financial and logistical side of all this. There are just so many obvious pitfalls to this.

Which ever team is team 18 will have issues and major ones at that. Atleast this one helps the international game too

 

[MugaB]

Which ever team is team 18 will have issues and major ones at that. Atleast this one helps the international game too

Bears won't

 

[Pippen94]

Thats why it should be based in Australia, if there is pitfalls in PNG and aust govt is paying for it, then thats wasted money.. govt wants a favorable outcome for png/aus relations, this being based in cairns is right up their alley... support a RL team representing PNG.. money isn't the issue here, its safety... and marquee player attraction, both wont exist in port moresby

NRL gets an 18th team funded by the govt, which bears fruit for expanding the player pool..
Aus govt gets PNG favor in the political landscape (vs china)
Cairns gets represented in the NRL, which otherwise wouldnt be. (cowboys really isnt)
PNG get an NRL team that represents tge area, and genuine 1st grade pathway, that isn't just a link to dolphins or storm etc..

Its all winning here

You guys can all get hung up on the miniature of sponsorships and logistics all you like but this works, and PNG in the NRL would be bigger than Warriors were in '95..



.....Singapore is next baby

Why would cairns care about a PNG team & vice versa?!