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Ponga Appreciation Thread.

Woody90

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The commentary was the same for the Raiders too until they actually proved they could a) judge talent and b) coach them to be better.

Players typically don't come to us to improve, they leave to improve. O'Brien has to be removed and replaced before that has any weight whatsoever to me. You can't execute that strategy with shit-for-brains running the football show. The club is STILL umming and ahhing on this super basic and easy decision. We've passed up on so many serviceable coaches since we re-signed his stupid contract. If we don't rip off the bandaid now and sit on our hands and actually let him have ANOTHER crack next year... we'll be throwing another year or two away and we'll completely deserve to fail. Not us the fans, we don't deserve any of this - but the people running the club will.

Yeah I completely disagree that players don’t improve when they come here. Leo went from a reserve grade player at the Raiders to the most in demand prop in the game here in 18 months, Lucas was a nobody in the Dragons system and now rep quality, we turned Dom young into a star, he went to the Roosters and turn to shit and is now looking like a star again. There are plenty more.

I want AOB gone too but it’s definitely not accurate to say players haven’t improved here. There’s literally no reason we cant develop some of the fringe guys into better players like we have in the past. I actually have zero issues with AOB’s player development at all. Tactics in attack are the reason he needs to leave.
 

Apey

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The 5 recruitment managers in 6 years, if entirely accurate, is pretty embarrassing stuff. It suggests to me we havent known what direction we actually want to take the club in, which fits perfectly with what a shambles we've become.
 

HarVeeGee

Juniors
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In the case of two of them there was some misconduct and they had to be let go.

One was the guy who’s likely largely to blame for a lot of the signings people on here are maddest about so I’m sure most were glad to see the back of them.

And then the most recent guy to get fired was basically just in the job in an interim role until we got the big fish we wanted in POS. No other club hired him and he’s now become an agent at Pacific Sports Management.

So I think it sounds worse than it is. There’s only really one instance of hiring a guy, backing him to the hilt, and then sacking him due purely to performance dissatisfaction & going in a different direction.

As far as I’m aware there’s other staff turnover stuff which is actually a worse reflection on the club than the recruitment manager thing. The turnover in strength & conditioning staff is worse and more inexcusable IMO.

If we landed POS five years ago on the kind of money we paid to get him now he’d likely still be at the club. You look at how the Dolphins are doing right now with a shitload of injuries having to use guys he’s found who nobody has ever heard of - their first crop of internally developed pathways guys he recruited as teens - and it’s clear he knows what he’s doing and his record speaks for itself.
 

HarVeeGee

Juniors
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Yeah as I tried to explain to a certain dope on here before realising it’s a total waste of effort, people do not realise how bad of a situation Wests walked into & what kind of a fight it’s been and will continue to be to wrest back the level of control and access over said catchments that pundits & punters just seem to assume we have easily at our fingertips. We don’t. So many of these kids where people get annoyed about them not being in Knights pathways, well, they played for a junior club which has a direct affiliation with a club like Canterbury, Easts, Manly, etc.

Gus for sure knows but he’s a cheeky merkin who’s always going to prioritise sticking the boot in while adopting the posture of being fair and balanced.
 

Apey

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Gus for sure knows but he’s a cheeky merkin who’s always going to prioritise sticking the boot in while adopting the posture of being fair and balanced.
Im sure if you asked him, he'd say it didn't happen like that, just like he'd never met Galvin!
 

perverse

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Why people are jumping to say the bloke with the proven track record must be the problem of why we can’t recruit, rather than the club that’s been a basket case for 2 decades is beyond me. I’m sorry but I find that truely mind blowing.

I'm not saying he's a part of the problem (yet), I'm giving him a D- for his first year of recruitment and expressing worry about the next 2-3 years of watching this team. It's looking shit and I don't believe it had to be the case. I'm evaluating his performance on what he's done for the team I'm going to be watching next year, not on our state when he took over.

Aren't you at all curious, looking at next years top 30 list, where the 11.5m+ of the salary cap is going? I sure as hell am... but then I realise Taj Annan is in the top 30 on good coin and I sigh. Oh that's right, we're just wasting it on different players next year.

On your question about his work with the junior sides, Ive been reading the MS forums a bit and a few people that seem to like they’re very knowledgable about the juniors posted that POS is bringing new kids into our junior squads “every week”. My dad’s also heavily involved in the Newcastle comp and said the exact same thing and that POS has been a lot more visible than previous guys have been. Not being in Newy myself I can’t comment if any of them will be good, but at least he’s prioritising those squads. He’s also prioritised re-signing and upgrading talent like Hopwood and Chase Butler who would both likely be gone under previous regimes.

It's all anecdotal, but I guess I have to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's all true (although again, this is stuff I've heard more times than I can count for over 2 decades now). It's not hard to be more visible than blokes that weren't even in the city doing the job, which has been the case in the past too. None of this is talking about what I am though. It's great that he's doing amazing things with the juniors, love it. What I'm refuting is that the top 30 roster had to be burned down without any ready replacements. I don't see how it has benefited us and I'm unsatisfied with the conclusions of others in that department. Saving money? No. Front-loading? Maybe, but I think that will bite us in the ass in time if we're doing it to any significant degree too. It was possible to be more incremental with the change. Ultimately the simplest answer (to me, this is my opinion) seems to be that the hubris of POS and the club was such that they believed they could just clear the decks and fill the roster with ease - and they fell on their ass with their recruitment drive. That's very much how it looks.

Yeah I completely disagree that players don’t improve when they come here. Leo went from a reserve grade player at the Raiders to the most in demand prop in the game here in 18 months, Lucas was a nobody in the Dragons system and now rep quality, we turned Dom young into a star, he went to the Roosters and turn to shit and is now looking like a star again. There are plenty more.

I want AOB gone too but it’s definitely not accurate to say players haven’t improved here. There’s literally no reason we cant develop some of the fringe guys into better players like we have in the past. I actually have zero issues with AOB’s player development at all. Tactics in attack are the reason he needs to leave.

I think his record is mixed (and I'm being generous). Doesn't seem to be able to make first graders out of many guys that don't already have a lot of talent. There's a much longer list of blokes we haven't been able to get the most out of than super talented blokes that he's managed to do so with tbh. See article: https://archive.is/SsL9U . I honestly think Crokes and maybe even Jones would go much better in another system too. Crokes in particular looks like a guy who is in his comfort zone to me and has more to give talent wise.
 
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