ponting

[JJ]

Is it his fault that the whole team dropped half a dozen catches an innings, if we held onto our catches last series, we would of won, simple.

bullsh*t - Aust were outplayed - how many catches did Pieterson and Jones drop?

 

[lockyno1]

Is it his fault that the whole team dropped half a dozen catches an innings, if we held onto our catches last series, we would of won, simple.

It is his fault that he sent England in on a belter of a pitch in the 2nd test where McGrath had just got injured! That was easily the most stupid decision ever!

 

[Marshall_magic]

bullsh*t - Aust were outplayed - how many catches did Pieterson and Jones drop?

Australia dropped twice as many as England, Catches win Matches, okay, maybe I went over the top saying it was the sole reason we lost, but if we had of taken them it would of been closer, full credit to England, they came out with a point to prove that series, and showed that the Ashes are not dead.

 

[JJ]

The problem was, I think, the Australian side were incredibly arrogant and played very very poorly. Nothing more than that, and the English are paying for it now!

 

[Marshall_magic]

It is his fault that he sent England in on a belter of a pitch in the 2nd test where McGrath had just got injured! That was easily the most stupid decision ever!

Yes that was a terrible decision, there is no denying that. I can't remember any other shocking decisions he has ever made though (although there probably is one)

 

[lockyno1]

Australia dropped twice as many as England, Catches win Matches, okay, maybe I went over the top saying it was the sole reason we lost, but if we had of taken them it would of been closer, full credit to England, they came out with a point to prove that series, and showed that the Ashes are not dead.

And if we played hussey and if magill played it could have helped as well. But the single thing that lost the ashes was sending england in, in the 2nd test! That was Ponting's decision!

 

[lockyno1]

Yes that was a terrible decision, there is no denying that. I can't remember any other shocking decisions he has ever made though (although there probably is one)

How about declaring too late last year against South Africa in Perth!

 

[JJ]

How about declaring too late last year against South Africa in Perth!

f**k you're inconsistent - that stupid declaration resulted in Hidge getting 200 - which you use to justify moaning endlessly about him not being in the side...

 

[TheParraboy]

I didnt put it in as i knew someone would bite - remember his batting suffered? I think from memory he also elevated himself.

His keeping in that heat - and captaincy took its toll. He is a legend IMO, but its too much IMO to do all 3.

his batting suffered, really?


1st test at Bangalore (1st innings)
Smashes his customary 104 off 109 to set up the victory and the series.
Australia win, lead series 1-0


2nd test at Chennai (2nd innings)
Gilchrist claims this is his best test knock ever. 2nd dig scored 49 batting at number 3 to steer Australia back on track to draw the test match. btw its the only innings he had "elevated" himself

3rd test at Nagpur
Came into bat at 5/314. failed. Australia ended up on 398 and went on to win the game regardless.

series win 2-0.

 

[lockyno1]

f**k you're inconsistent - that stupid declaration resulted in Hidge getting 200 - which you use to justify moaning endlessly about him not being in the side...

He could have declared when Hodge got 150 n.o. Yes there is a difference between a 200 and a 150, but I will still use that stat if he declared if he was on 150.

 

[Marshall_magic]

How about declaring too late last year against South Africa in Perth!

He gave us a day and a bit to get them out, usually that is enough, Rudolph just showed a lot of character in that innings to hold on. Also as said before, he was letting Hodge get a double ton, and Hodge was scoring at about 2 runs an over.

 

[JJ]

the Ashes loss must be put down to captaincy and team management - they weren't focused and/or were very complacent

funny IMO that the heads that rolled were players - Kasper, Martyn and Gillespie - when poor captaincy and management must have been this issue - because just a few weeks beforehand that side was in wonderful form, and should have won the series easily

 

[lockyno1]

He gave us a day and a bit to get them out, usually that is enough,

Come off it, anyone could see that pitch was a absolute belter. The captain made a wrong call. Ponting's mistake!

 

[Marshall_magic]

Come off it, anyone could see that pitch was a absolute belter. The captain made a wrong call. Ponting's mistake!

Ok, Ponting retires with Hodge on 170, and fortunes occured differently, and South Africa get rolled cheaply, Ponting would of been attacked for not letting Hodge get his 200.

What does it matter, we still won that series.

 

[Mr Angry]

Did a comparison, Ponting is doing better than I thought

Top one is Tubby
Middle S Waugh
Bottom Punter

Tubby averaged less with the bat as captain. Waugh and Punter more.

All played with Warne and McGrath as thier strike bowlers.

Is Gilly the difference?

Mat Hm Awa Neut Win Dra Los w% D% L%
50 27 23 0 26 11 13 52% 22% 26%
57 29 25 3 41 7 9 72% 12% 16%
32 15 17 0 24 5 3 75% 16% 9%


unfiltered 104 43.49 19 40
filtered 50 39.63 7 16

unfiltered 168 51.06 32 50
filtered 57 52.30 15 10

unfiltered 107 59.99 33 35
filtered 32 68.36 13 14

 

[JJ]

Is Gilly the difference?

I think the answer there is yes...

there have been better keeper batsmen (e.g., Sangakarra and Flower) - but nobody that batted at 7 and could (and often does) take a game away from another side so quickly. Huge upgrade from Healy, and really has the sort of influence that nobody has ever seen before

 

[hineyrulz]

Ponting is an average captain at best, really it shouldn't be that hard to captain a side with Warne and Mcgrath as two of your bowlers. But the worst aspect of his captaincy is as soon of the opposition put some pressure on him he seems to struggle big time.

As someone else has mentioned the true test for Ponting will be when some of the great's of the game will be gone. but the one Major positive has been his batting while he has been captain it's been amazing.

 

[spider]

Gilly scored a hundred from 3, from memory. So how exactly did his batting suffer again?

Yeah he did - 104 he got i think it was.

Which was part of the aggregate of 208 runs he totalled for 6 innings over there and that included a not out.

He was averaging 60 before that series - for that series he averaged 31.

As i said - his batting suffered when doing all three.

 

[TheParraboy]

Yeah he did - 104 he got i think it was.

Which was part of the aggregate of 208 runs he totalled for 6 innings over there and that included a not out.

He was averaging 60 before that series - for that series he averaged 31.

As i said - his batting suffered when doing all three.

you will find over 6 innings (the tests he was captain, his average was closer to 40). The one not out you mention was a 3no

The thing with Gilly (which was noticeably missing on the 2005 ashes tour, and he want even captain mind you ;-) ) is that most series that he plays in, he scores one or two match winning or match turning innings. IMO He did that in the 3 tests as captain against India

 

[choc_soldier]

If and when the veterans (McGrath, Warne, Hayden, Langer and Gilchrist) retire, you'll get a clearer indication of Ponting's captaincy abilities.

Hit the nail on the head.

At the moment, he's OK - not great, in terms of Border / Taylor.