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|| Primer Latinoamericano Rugby League (NRL) Championships ||

Dakink

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Rugby 13 like the French? I dont know the answer I just know it is holding us back in recognition. Interested to know our English posters thoughts who have more contact with Europe than I do.
 

siv

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The answer always its not Union its League ( drop the term Rugby )

NRL is try to use its NRL brand rather than RL thus the re-badging the WARL to be NRL-WA

I guess they are using the yanks and Victorians concept of NFL or AFL as no one seems to confuse them with Soccer

Fox pay-tv use the term FoxLeague

SL War period invented two names Star League and Super League

But the common item to ALL of the above is the word

League

We dont seem to have other common term for our sport
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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I think you will find in northern England that the locals refer to rugby league as rugby. Maybe call it Elite rugby? It is rugby however a supremely better version of the rugby codes! It has happened to have been held back by its rival brother code for many decades.

But this is exactly the problem...

This is why the name is insular; its only appropriate in places RL is already popular. No consideration for places not engrossed in the RL-RU split, it only makes sence to people who ALREADY follow the game.
 

Stallion

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But this is exactly the problem...

This is why the name is insular; its only appropriate in places RL is already popular. No consideration for places not engrossed in the RL-RU split, it only makes sence to people who ALREADY follow the game.

Would like to think that RL can be in a situation whereby it cam stand proud and explain its history in such places. A BREAKAWAY CODE for the benefit of players which had to modify its rules to pay for its players and created a vastly better version of rugby in doing so. The struggles make sense (not really!-mention repression by RU)once this history is communicated. And it makes sense. A very underrated and hidden sporting treasure that hopefully is destined for universal popularity in the long run.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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The answer always its not Union its League ( drop the term Rugby )

NRL is try to use its NRL brand rather than RL thus the re-badging the WARL to be NRL-WA

I guess they are using the yanks and Victorians concept of NFL or AFL as no one seems to confuse them with Soccer

Fox pay-tv use the term FoxLeague

SL War period invented two names Star League and Super League

But the common item to ALL of the above is the word

League

We dont seem to have other common term for our sport

I broadly agree, however "League" is already commonly used in other sports as well. Call the sport "League" and people will just think its a nickname for a local competition, not an entire sport...

That was the wisdom of the "Super League" name; saw that League was the foundation of RLs brand but understand it couldnt stand as a brand in itself.

We should remember that this kind of renaming is for new fans, not old ones. Old fans already have their prefered nicknames, its potential fans exposed to the game for the first time who need this easily understandable/memorable name....
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Would like to think that RL can be in a situation whereby it cam stand proud and explain its history in such places.

"A BREAKAWAY CODE for the benefit of players which had to modify its rules to pay for its players and created a vastly better version of rugby in doing so. The struggles make sense (not really!-mention repression by RU)once this history is communicated. And it makes sense. A very underrated and hidden sporting treasure that hopefully is destined for universal popularity in the long run."

Say this speech to any prospective fan and their eyes will glaze over after the 4th word (I know this well, ive been dealing with it for three years now)....

They dont give a shit because why should they? its a new thing that they havent decided to care about yet. Why do you expect them to sit through a thesis statement just because they half-interestedly ask "what sport is this?".

They are asking for a 2 word answer, not your life story...
 

Stallion

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Say this speech to any prospective fan and their eyes will glaze over after the 4th word (I know this well, ive been dealing with it for three years now)....

They dont give a shit because why should they? its a new thing that they havent decided to care about yet. Why do you expect them to sit through a thesis statement just because they half-interestedly ask "what sport is this?".

They are asking for a 2 word answer, not your life story...

They will show patience if they see this code and hear its story! Perhaps ive got more faith in potential fans especially after they view this game on field. Anecdotely ive mentioned the non recognition of rugby league as a sport and its mass exclusion from most elite private schools and they start to get the picture that all is not as it seems in the 'innocent' world of sport. A picture of a "big bully brother " emerges that otherwise would not have been contemplated for those not in the know. The name rugby league is part of this code's history! You deny that and you concede to the bad guys in union. Recognition in the GSAIF as a sport should put RL on the map! But then again union has many friends in high places as we know!
 

siv

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At the moment we intervhange between many names

Rugby in the north of England
NRL at elite level in Australia but Rugby League at all other levels

League when we talk to Union people

Football in general conversations

But this issue is not unuque to RL

Soccer and Gridiron has a similar naming issue - people choose to ignore it
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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At the moment we intervhange between many names

Rugby in the north of England
NRL at elite level in Australia but Rugby League at all other levels

League when we talk to Union people

Football in general conversations

But this issue is not unuque to RL

This is what pisses me of the most...

People who already follow and love the game have their own prefered name for it: League, Footy, NRL, etc. They do need to care about the sports "official" name, and the sport doesnt need to care what nickname they use as long as they keep watching.

The official name should be directed at people who have no prior knowledge of the sport. Telling them the sport is called "Rugby Competition" is confusing at best. Why do we act surprised when people inevitably get the sports mixed up.

Soccer and Gridiron has a similar naming issue - people choose to ignore it

They dont ignore it though, they actually do have their own name; "American Football" and "Association Football"/"Soccer". Sure, they dont like to use those names if they can avoid it, but it is there if it is needed.

Even the most pig-headed Soccer fan isnt dumb enough to think using the word "Football" in Texas will evoke images of a round ball.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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They will show patience if they see this code and hear its story! Perhaps ive got more faith in potential fans especially after they view this game on field. Anecdotely ive mentioned the non recognition of rugby league as a sport and its mass exclusion from most elite private schools and they start to get the picture that all is not as it seems in the 'innocent' world of sport. A picture of a "big bully brother " emerges that otherwise would not have been contemplated for those not in the know. The name rugby league is part of this code's history! You deny that and you concede to the bad guys in union. Recognition in the GSAIF as a sport should put RL on the map! But then again union has many friends in high places as we know!

No they wont. You are lecturing them on a topic they dont care about, why would they have patience?

They ask for a name, they arent going to sit through an incoherent rant about how "its Rugby, but its not Rugby. It looks like Rugby and it comes from Rugby and its called Rugby, but its actually an entirely different sport. In 1895......................"

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siv

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No they wont. You are lecturing them on a topic they dont care about, why would they have patience?

They ask for a name, they arent going to sit through an incoherent rant about how "its Rugby, but its not Rugby. It looks like Rugby and it comes from Rugby and its called Rugby, but its actually an entirely different sport. In 1895......................"

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Actually I like explaining how all these sports are basically the same except one major rule variation between

- Handball
- Soccer
- Aussie Rules
- Gaelic Football
- Rugby Union
- Rugby League
- Gridiron
 

yakstorm

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Back onto tomorrow's tournament, unfortunately Mexico have pulled out and been replaced by Brazil.

Not ideal, but at least the tournament will still feature 4x nations with the vast majority of players from the respective countries.

Argentina has also brought a Women's Nines team, so they'll play Chile on the second day.

Based upon the fact that Chile have the largest domestic competition and are playing at home, they would have to be clear favourites. Argentina is the dark horse and did beat Chile in the regional nines competition last year.

Anyway, really looking forward to this competition kicking off. Extremely important in the continued expansion of the sport.
 

latingringo101

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Argentina, Brazil, Colombia name historic Test Rugby League teams
https://www.nospam18.com/images/nations/Chile/ChileRLChampionship.jpg



Date: 16/11/17

Argentina, Brazil and Colombia have announced their squad’s for this week’s Primer Rugby League Campeonato Latinoamericano in Los Angeles, Chile.

From the players selected, only one player – Colombian captain Sebastian Martinez – is an international resident, having been raised in Australia after arriving from Bogota in childhood.

Host Chile will name its 20-man squad in the next 24 hours and is likely to be at least 80 per cent comprised of Chilean residents, with a handful of Australian-based heritage players lending their expertise.

After the various nations have developed largely in isolation, the historic two-day event will be an intriguing gauge on the contrasting development styles and coaching.

The opening day will commence Friday, November 17 at 4pm at Club de Golf 7 Rios on the eastern outskirts of Los Angeles, a city of 150,000 in the Bio Bio Province of Chile.

Argentina plays Colombia in the opening game of the tournament at 4pm, with Chile facing Brazil straight after at 5.40pm.

The second day of the tournament, Saturday November 18, will see a bronze medal playoff at 4pm and the championship final at 6pm, with an intervening female exhibition match between Chile and Argentina.


The week’s events are the first time all four nations have met on Latin American soil in 13-a-side format under full RLIF rules, including limited interchange and documented eligibility.

All teams have been permitted to use a total of 20 players across the two days, but restricted to 17 men in each individual match.

Chile is the only one of the competing nations to already have a world-ranking, having participated in Tests in Australia against El Salvador and Thailand and an unofficial international against Poland.

Lead referee for the tournament will be Chilean-born Juan Perez, a previous member of the Queensland Rugby League elite referees squad.

El Salvador will not participate in the tournament this time around, but will send domestically-based delegates to form closer relationships with fellow Latin American nations.

Roughly 100kg in donated uniforms, balls and boots will be distributed by 13 Latin Heat Rugby League volunteers who have self-funded their way to Chile to assist the staging of the event.

Three weeks of coaching, development and promotional activities have been built around the event, which will also encourage participants and fans to follow the 2017 Rugby League World Cup.

The Latinoamericano Championship is a self-funded event, with all participants paying for their own travel and accommodation. If you wish to make a donation,go to: https://chuffed.org/project/latino-rugby-league-championship
• The 100% volunteer-run Latin American Rugby League is supported by Shield Security Pty Ltd, Tattoo Tears, Cast Graphics, IntaGas Services, LS Tax & Accounting Services, Retro-Com Digital TV Specialists, Colombianos en Brisbane GMA Tourism, EMSA Education and Migration Services Australia, Lichtnauer and Associates Accountants, The Edge Home Loans, Oaky North Lodge CFMEU, ACTIVE Rehabilitation Physiotherapy, Radio Austral and Fighting For Fitness Gym.

PRIMER RUGBY LEAGUE CAMPEONATO LATINOAMERICANO
November 17-18, From 4pm both days
Club de Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles
Bio Bio Province, Chile
All squads listed alphabetically

ARGENTINA (Male)
ALONSO, Sebastian
BALDO, Ariel
BARRERA, Gaston
CANEPA, Juan :copyright:
COSSO, Ariel
COSSO, Gustavo
DE ROVERE, Juan
ESCOBAR, Lucas
GIMENEZ, Luciano
LIZARZUAY, Facundo
LOPEZ, Fernando
MARTINEZ, Ares
MONTENEGRO, Sebastian
MOYANO, Dario
PEREYRA, Luciano
RILO, Bruno
ROMERO, Emiliano
STOCO, Leonel
TRAVERSO, Ignacio
VILLALVA, Marcelo

ARGENTINA (Female)
BERDUN, Clarisa :copyright:
BESCOS, Samira
CRESPO, Rocio
DO PAZO, Melina
ESPINDOLA, Virginia
FARIAS, Delfina
GIMENEZ ACOSTA, Maria
GOMEZ, Maria
KAEHLER, Ana
LAURENT, Sofia
RETAMAR, Florencia
TORRES, Jimena
VELAZQUEZ, Milagros

BRAZIL (Male)
AMORIM FILHO, Mauro
BATISTA, Joao
CANDIDO SILVA, Vinicius
DA FONSECA, Cardoso
DA SILVA, Joao Pedro
DA VITORIA FERREIRA, Caio
DE ARAUJO, Murillo
DOS SANTOS, Clayson
FERNANDES, Earle
FIAMONCINI JUNIOR, Arestides
FROES CANEIRO, Gilberto
FROES CANEIRO, Hugo
GRAEF RIBEIRO, Gabriel
PEREIRA DE FARIA, Liniker
ROCHA ARANTES, Alexandre
ROSA SILVA, Carlos
SILVA GARROS, Gabriel
VINAS VIEIRA, Lucas

COLOMBIA (Male)
AGUIRRE MUNOZ, Yadred
BAENE MURILLO, Manuel
BARRERA, Duvan
BASTIDAS, Johan
FLORES, Manuel
LINARES LEGUIZAMON, Hector
LOPEZ, John Alejandro
LOPEZ AGUDELO, Diego
MARTINEZ, Sebastian :copyright:
MORALES HERNANDEZ, Anderson
PENA TORRES, Andres
PERICO DAZA, Nicolas
RENDON CARDOZO, Andres Felipe
TEJADA, Giovani
VALENCIA GALLEGO, Luis David
VERA GIRALDO, Daniel
(Final four players yet to be named)

CHILE
Male and Female squads to be announced shortly.
 

yakstorm

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Results from Day One:
http://www.asiapacificrl.com/2017/11/18/chile-face-argentina-latinoamericano-championship-final/

ARGENTINA 36 (Ignacio Traversa 3, Gustavo Cosso, Ares Martinez, Fernando Lopez, Ariel Cosso tries; Facundo Lizarzuay 2 goals, Juan De Revere 2 goals) defeated COLOMBIA 4 (Sebastian Martinez try) at Cancha Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Juan Perez. Touch Judges: Andrew Charles, Iziah Esera Catrileo. Halftime: Argentina 20-0. Interchanges: Argentina 6, Colombia 9.

CHILE 54 (Jonathan Espinoza 3, Piero Diaz 3, James Horvat 2, Javier Aedo, Eduardo Wegener tries; James Horvat 7 goals) defeated BRAZIL 8 (Liniker Faria, Gabriel Ribeiro tries) at Cancha Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Andrew Charles. Touch Judges: Juan Perez, Iziah Esera Catrileo. Halftime: 20-4. Interchanges: Chile 6, Brazil 4.
 

Hello, I'm The Doctor

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Already Chile, El Salvador and Uruguay appear on the world rankings table.

They are set to be joined after the Chilean tournament by Argentina, Mexico and Colombia, all of which have domestic activity, but are yet to play 13-a-side internationals under limited interchange.


Obviously they will all stay near the bottom, but its great to see the table expanding and nations actively trying to move up.
 

latingringo101

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VICTORY BY CHILE RUGBY LEAGUE

BY ROBERT BURGININ

ARGENTINABRAZILCHILECOLOMBIAFEATUREDHOT NEWSIN F

EMOTIONS ran high as Chile affirmed its top standing in the Latin American region in a drama-charged 32-12 final of the Primer Rugby League Campeonato LatinoAmericano.

The best-performing Latin American team in rugby league for three years, Chile was still smarting after a 16-0 defeat to Argentina in a nines tournament in Miramar a year earlier.

The result had placed doubt on their credentials, and indeed, many were tipping the less experienced Argentines to triumph in the first 13-a-side international event held on Latin American soil.

But it was exactly that – experience in the sport – which counted most as Chile led from start to finish in a comfortable, though not dominant, display.

Indeed the Argentine players and officials let confusion and frustration at the rules get the better of themselves at various times, with the game halted several times to placate the angered Jabalis.

Two players – Chileno spearhead James Horvat and fearsome Argentine Ariel Cosso – also spent time in the sin bin as referee Juan Perez kept the situation under control.

Throughout the game there was intense chanting, gesticulating and body collisions as the 13-man code gripped the city of Los Angeles, Chile.

Playing hooker despite normally being a running forward, Jonathan Espinoza scored his second hat-trick in two days to lead the home side to the win.

He had only 24 hours earlier crossed for another three tries as Chile beat Brazil 54-8 in the qualification match, while Argentina swept aside Colombia 36-4.

Possession in the final would have been at least 60 per cent to 40 per cent in favour of the Chilenos, who completed sets and directed play through the centre of the ruck before attacking the edges.

Argentina’s style was understandably more reminiscent of rugby union – a sport in which the nation is inarguably the supreme force in South America – but while it was entertaining, they also left themselves vulnerable at times.

Penalties and handovers of possession for impatient plays ultimately cruelled their campaign, despite looking dangerous each and every time they touched the ball.

Halfback Facundo Lizarzuay again signalled himself as a talent to watch and was a firm and creative director of the attractive Argentinian attacking style.

Chilean five-eighth Horvat played a similarly influential hand for his side and, aside from moments where he let his temper nullify his danger, he was a deserved winner of the Player of the Tournament.

Backrower Eduardo Wegener and nuggety Espinoza also would have been in the judges’ minds when selecting the recipient, while outside flyer Zecil Yao and prop Piero Diaz never failed to impress when the ball went in their direction.

The playoff for third place was a cracking match, where the lead changed three times as Colombia won 22-18 in another high-quality affair for two inexperienced outfits.

Brazil had hit the front 18-16 with 14 minutes left on the clock following three successive tries after halftime, reversing an earlier 0-16 deficit.

However rampant backrower Manuel Baene Murillo scored his third try of the game for Colombia as the clock wound down, securing a memorable first-ever win for Colombia under full RLIF rules.

Once more halves Sebastian Martinez and Nicolas Perico Diaz were the standouts for the Condores, though several lesser-known teammates improved rapidly in their short exposure at the competition.

Brazil, a late call-up after the withdrawal of Mexico, only had two days to prepare for the event and brought together players from four separate regions of their large nation.

Many players slept around two hours at a bus station before their Friday afternoon qualification match, following a succession of transport delays in bringing them 4000km across the continent.

Despite the adversity faced, there were numerous players who impressed from the country of 210 million people and the players were adamant Brazil could win the event if held under different circumstance.

Two women’s nine-a-side exhibition games were held on the same day as the final, with Argentina sneaking past Chile 6-0 in the first game via a try just before fulltime.

The impressive defence on show in the first match went somewhat amiss as the second game saw Argentinian women establish their authority with a 20-0 result to sweep the afternoon.

During the day over 100kg of balls, jerseys and boots were distributed to spectators, donated by individuals and teams from as diverse a selection area as Australia, England and Thailand.

Notable contributors were Latin Heat Rugby League, South Sydney Rabbitohs, Queensland Rugby League and Wests Mitchelton Panthers, who all donated full sets for teams to wear.

Another week of coaching and development work will continue to happen across the Latin American continent, with Argentina to be the focus in coming days.

The Latinoamericano Championship was a self-funded event, with volunteer officials paying for travel and accommodation. If you wish to make a donation, click here.

  • The 100% volunteer-run Latin American Rugby League was supported by Guzman y Gomez Mexican Taquerias, Shield Security Pty Ltd, Tattoo Tears, Cast Graphics, IntaGas Services, LS Tax & Accounting Services, Retro-Com Digital TV Specialists, Colombianos en Brisbane, GMA Tourism, EMSA Education and Migration Services Australia, Lichtnauer and Associates Accountants, The Edge Home Loans, Oaky North Lodge CFMEU, ACTIVE Rehabilitation Physiotherapy, Radio Austral and Fighting For Fitness Gym.


TOURNAMENT FINAL:



CHILE 32 (Jonathan Espinoza 3, Zecil Yao, Mana Castillo-Sioni Piero Diaz; James Horvat 3 goals) beat ARGENTINA 12 (Dario Moyano, Facundo Lizarzuay tries; Facundo Lizarzuay 2 goals) at Cancha de Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Juan Perez. Touch Judges: Andrew Charles, Pablo Baeza. Halftime: Chile 20-6. Interchanges: Argentina 5, Chile 6.



THIRD PLACE PLAYOFF



COLOMBIA 22 (Manuel Baene Murillo 3, Daniel Vera Giraldo tries, Hector Linares 3 goals) beat BRASIL 18 (Liniker Periera de Faria, Mauro Amorim Filho, Elias Cardoso tries; Lucas Vinas Vieira 3 goals) at Cancha de Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Andrew Chalres. Touch Judges: Juan Perez, Pablo Baeza. Halftime: Colombia 16-0. Interchanges: Colombia 5, Brasil 4.



FEMALE NINES EXHIBITION.

Game 1: Argentina 6 beat Chile 0.

Game 2: Argentina 20 beat Chile 0.



ARGENTINA 36 (Ignacio Traversa 3, Gustavo Cosso, Ares Martinez, Fernando Lopez, Ariel Cosso tries; Facundo Lizarzuay 2 goals, Juan De Revere 2 goals) defeated COLOMBIA 4 (Sebastian Martinez try) at Cancha Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Juan Perez. Touch Judges: Andrew Charles, Iziah Esera Catrileo. Halftime: Argentina 20-0. Interchanges: Argentina 6, Colombia 9.



CHILE 54 (Jonathan Espinoza 3, Piero Diaz 3, James Horvat 2, Javier Aedo, Eduardo Wegener tries; James Horvat 7 goals) defeated BRASIL 8 (Liniker Faria, Gabriel Ribeiro tries) at Cancha Golf 7 Rios, Los Angeles, Chile. Referee: Andrew Charles. Touch Judges: Juan Perez, Iziah Esera Catrileo. Halftime: 20-4. Interchanges: Chile 6, Brazil 4.

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DlEHARD

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This is a momentous occasion. I'm very delighted to see this happen off the back of years of hard work. And well done Latin Heat.

On the topic of names, well to me 'League' is a weak name and only means something to us. We also have a National Basketball League, an Australian Football League and an Australian Baseball League. I even see AFL journalists refer to their competition as "the league".
 

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