QLD doesn't need another team

[blue bags]

Yeah, and?

You're saying we should create a club from scratch for Perth because the VFL was supportive of a broke Melbourne club relocating to Sydney?

A new club was created in Brisbane, but it was eventually pushed into merging with a poor Melbourne club. The Sydney Swans and Brisbane Lions are Melbourne clubs based in RL cities.

South Melbourne and Fitzroy fans weren't happy about it.

Would you have been happy if the NSWRL sent a Sydney club to Perth in the 1990s?

Penrith Panthers were just about ready to go to relocate to Perth. Had a lot financial issues
But somehow got last minutes loans that saved the Panthers

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

why is that relevant? nothing is being sacrificed by adding Perth.

If there's only three licences available with Perth, Brisbane Tigers, South Island Kea and PNG bidding for a licence then some one has to miss out.

It would be a travesty of justice of Perth was provided a licence ahead of one of the other three contenders.

Western Australians chucked a massive tantrum when Brisbane was awarded the 2020 AwFuL GF ahead of Perth, despite it being the fault of their Premier for having really strict border protocols for interstate residents entering WA that made it impossible to host the game in Perth. Their argument was "Brisbane isn't a footy state" and the Gabba is "dilapidated". Perth ain't an RL state and PRS is more dilapidated than the Gabba.

I guess we can rule Perth out of contention based on their own logic?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Penrith Panthers were just about ready to go to relocate to Perth. Had a lot financial issues
But somehow got last minutes loans that saved the Panthers

Perth Panthers. Out of all the possible relocations, that and Western Tigers are the best.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

@mongoose @The Great Dane @reanimate @Colk @Vlad59

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars
By Roy Masters
September 15, 2019 — 4.00pm

Australia’s leading expert on sports rights, Global Sport and Media’s Colin Smith says, "It appears neither the ARLC nor the NRL clubs have a strategy here.

"With the real and present cautionary future of the AFL that has solidified its base in Sydney with the Swans, its overall financial muscle and long-term thinking building a similar position for western Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane, the AFL by 2035-40 could be the national football code.

"This will push the NRL into a second-rung sport. It is a must for the NRL to have a comprehensive strategy that further strengthens and grows the sport on the eastern seaboard."

Smith adds: "I anticipate the NRL will get less broadcast income in the next deal unless they can develop some competitive tension or offer a more attractive product such as a second Brisbane team. Queenslanders watch the Broncos No.1, followed by the Cowboys, the Storm and the Titans.

"The NRL future strategy must be predicated on growing and strengthening its footprint. He says this should entail the consideration of:

• Retention of all existing clubs but, with clubs guaranteed annual grants of 130 per cent of the salary cap, "bailouts" must become only a last resort;
• No relocations of existing teams;
• Any new team must have the essence of tribal roots either by region or historic grouping;
• Any regional expansion must not have any other professional sport clubs in their potential area
• Immediate expansion to include another Brisbane team;
• Longer term expansion of the NRL to 20 teams with two divisions of 10 teams;
• Likely expansion, subject to a detailed review, must ensure growth in broadcast and club viability. The priority, in order, would be another team in NZ, a third team in Brisbane, another team in Melbourne and potentially a team in PNG;
• An expansion of the international game, capitalising on the passion NRL players have to represent their country of heritage, such as Tonga, Fiji or Samoa.

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars

The incoming ARLC chairman is a noted dealmaker but faces a challenge delivering a television rights windfall in a landscape of declining free-to-air viewership.

web.archive.org

No mention of expansion into Adelaide and Perth by the most qualified expert on sports rights in Australia. Colin Smith has worked with the NRL and AwFuL during broadcast negotations. It looks like V'landys is following his recommendations.

 

[Canard]

What’s funny is when you ask Perth fans to justify it over nz2 or Brisbane 3 and they go all quiet and can’t

Essentially they want a Perth team in because one day in the future they might benefit the code whilst clubs that can benefit code now should miss out

sure if the code goes to 24 teams there’s a place like a filler club like Perth

NZ2 and Perth offer real growth.

Bri3 doesn't (yet) and worse would likely hurt the Dolphins if it came in so quickly.

Chch isn't comparable to other small markets like NQ, Newcastle, Canberra etc because RL is only a very minor sport there and not No1 like it is in those others.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

If only afl would have a super league war to give our clubs in melb and Perth an artificial leg up

afl are copying us now we don’t need to follow them in anything

Yes and a slice of SA and WA is nothing like having a slice of QLD and NSW. Which is why the AFL are desperately pumping money into our two states. They have no choice.

QLD alone has a greater population that SA and WA combined.

 

[titoelcolombiano]

NZ2 and Perth offer real growth.

Bri3 doesn't (yet) and worse would likely hurt the Dolphins if it came in so quickly.

Chch isn't comparable to other small markets like NQ, Newcastle, Canberra etc because RL is only a very minor sport there and not No1 like it is in those others.

This is a pretty reasonable take

 

[final say]

NZ2 and Perth offer real growth.

Bri3 doesn't (yet) and worse would likely hurt the Dolphins if it came in so quickly.

Chch isn't comparable to other small markets like NQ, Newcastle, Canberra etc because RL is only a very minor sport there and not No1 like it is in those others.

" very minor " sports don't sell out stadiums consistently mate.
Very comparable to Canberra and in Canberra Rugby league is competing with the RU and AFL...

 

[Maximus]

Donkey must get paid for every time he mentions this Colin Smith. Nobody gives a shit what the guy says.

But I see he's an advocate for Melbourne 2. It's weird donkey never talks about that one.

 

[Canard]

" very minor " sports don't sell out stadiums consistently mate.
Very comparable to Canberra and in Canberra Rugby league is competing with the RU and AFL...

How many games though? About 6 in a 12k stadium over what a decade or so?

Christchurch is Union heartland, whether we like it or not. Let's not go all AFL here.

 

[final say]

@mongoose @The Great Dane @reanimate @Colk @Vlad59

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars​

By Roy Masters​

September 15, 2019 — 4.00pm​

​

Australia’s leading expert on sports rights, Global Sport and Media’s Colin Smith says, "It appears neither the ARLC nor the NRL clubs have a strategy here.​

​

"With the real and present cautionary future of the AFL that has solidified its base in Sydney with the Swans, its overall financial muscle and long-term thinking building a similar position for western Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane, the AFL by 2035-40 could be the national football code.​

​

"This will push the NRL into a second-rung sport. It is a must for the NRL to have a comprehensive strategy that further strengthens and grows the sport on the eastern seaboard."​

​

Smith adds: "I anticipate the NRL will get less broadcast income in the next deal unless they can develop some competitive tension or offer a more attractive product such as a second Brisbane team. Queenslanders watch the Broncos No.1, followed by the Cowboys, the Storm and the Titans.​

​

"The NRL future strategy must be predicated on growing and strengthening its footprint. He says this should entail the consideration of:​

​

• Retention of all existing clubs but, with clubs guaranteed annual grants of 130 per cent of the salary cap, "bailouts" must become only a last resort;
• No relocations of existing teams;
• Any new team must have the essence of tribal roots either by region or historic grouping;
• Any regional expansion must not have any other professional sport clubs in their potential area
• Immediate expansion to include another Brisbane team;
• Longer term expansion of the NRL to 20 teams with two divisions of 10 teams;
• Likely expansion, subject to a detailed review, must ensure growth in broadcast and club viability. The priority, in order, would be another team in NZ, a third team in Brisbane, another team in Melbourne and potentially a team in PNG;
• An expansion of the international game, capitalising on the passion NRL players have to represent their country of heritage, such as Tonga, Fiji or Samoa.

​

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars

The incoming ARLC chairman is a noted dealmaker but faces a challenge delivering a television rights windfall in a landscape of declining free-to-air viewership.

web.archive.org

No mention of expansion into Adelaide and Perth by the most qualified expert on sports rights in Australia. Colin Smith has worked with the NRL and AwFuL during broadcast negotations. It looks like V'landys is following his recommendations.

NZ top of the list has my vote.
Actually, I pretty much agree with all that so long as the next Brisbane team is taking advantage of the growing Ipswich corridor.
The Storms recent crowds and the size of that city does present an opportunity- a Melbourne derby.. sold out in AFL heartland.. delightful.

2026 South Island Kea

2030 Brisbane Jets

2030 Melbourne ?

 

[Colk]

@mongoose @The Great Dane @reanimate @Colk @Vlad59

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars​

By Roy Masters​

September 15, 2019 — 4.00pm​

​

Australia’s leading expert on sports rights, Global Sport and Media’s Colin Smith says, "It appears neither the ARLC nor the NRL clubs have a strategy here.​

​

"With the real and present cautionary future of the AFL that has solidified its base in Sydney with the Swans, its overall financial muscle and long-term thinking building a similar position for western Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane, the AFL by 2035-40 could be the national football code.​

​

"This will push the NRL into a second-rung sport. It is a must for the NRL to have a comprehensive strategy that further strengthens and grows the sport on the eastern seaboard."​

​

Smith adds: "I anticipate the NRL will get less broadcast income in the next deal unless they can develop some competitive tension or offer a more attractive product such as a second Brisbane team. Queenslanders watch the Broncos No.1, followed by the Cowboys, the Storm and the Titans.​

​

"The NRL future strategy must be predicated on growing and strengthening its footprint. He says this should entail the consideration of:​

​

• Retention of all existing clubs but, with clubs guaranteed annual grants of 130 per cent of the salary cap, "bailouts" must become only a last resort;
• No relocations of existing teams;
• Any new team must have the essence of tribal roots either by region or historic grouping;
• Any regional expansion must not have any other professional sport clubs in their potential area
• Immediate expansion to include another Brisbane team;
• Longer term expansion of the NRL to 20 teams with two divisions of 10 teams;
• Likely expansion, subject to a detailed review, must ensure growth in broadcast and club viability. The priority, in order, would be another team in NZ, a third team in Brisbane, another team in Melbourne and potentially a team in PNG;
• An expansion of the international game, capitalising on the passion NRL players have to represent their country of heritage, such as Tonga, Fiji or Samoa.

​

V'landys faces major task leading league's battle for broadcast dollars

The incoming ARLC chairman is a noted dealmaker but faces a challenge delivering a television rights windfall in a landscape of declining free-to-air viewership.

web.archive.org

No mention of expansion into Adelaide and Perth by the most qualified expert on sports rights in Australia. Colin Smith has worked with the NRL and AwFuL during broadcast negotations. It looks like V'landys is following his recommendations.

Btw Colin Smith has been on the payroll for the PNG bid so I wouldn’t say he is unbiased either

Also if he has worked for NRL broadcast negotiations previously then maybe they need to hire or consult somebody else because it ain’t working

 

[reanimate]

@mongoose @The Great Dane @reanimate @Colk @Vlad59

​

"With the real and present cautionary future of the AFL that has solidified its base in Sydney with the Swans, its overall financial muscle and long-term thinking building a similar position for western Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane, the AFL by 2035-40 could be the national football code.​

​

​

That sounds like a good strategy. It sounds like we should be trying that with Perth and getting a share of their traditional markets.

 

[mongoose]

Their model requires some clubs to receive more funding than others. Without it there wouldn't be a Sydney Swans, Brisbane Lions, GWS Giants and Gold Coast Suns.

The ARLC will never adopt AwFuL's variable funding system. If they did then you might have a point. Saying the NRL should expand into new markets because AwFuL did so would be like telling an Australian it's safe to smuggle drugs into Indonesia because Australia doesn't have the death penalty.



What's daft is speculating about something you don't know.

Can you tell me how much money they're providing due to having teams in Brisbane or Perth?

Or are you assuming they're paying money for teams in Brisbane and Perth and telling me I'm daft for asking you to provide evidence?

Media analyst Colin Smith said the NRL should forget about Adelaide and Perth. He's worked with AwFuL and the NRL on broadcast deals. He also believes in Brisbane 3, New Zealand 2 and a Port Moresby team.



Colin Smith doesn't agree with you. He's more qualified than anyone on here.

i honestly question anyone's qualifications who thinks PNG is going to add lots of broadcast value to a country like Australia.... those economics don't add up at all.

 

[mongoose]

You're arguing that small markets like Townsville, Canberra, Sutherland and Northern Beaches should be in the NRL, but Christchurch shouldn't because it's smaller than Perth. That's a hypocritical position no matter how you spin it.

More strawman arguments, I never said Christchurch shouldn't be in the NRL.

 

[mongoose]

If there's only three licences available with Perth, Brisbane Tigers, South Island Kea and PNG bidding for a licence then some one has to miss out.

It would be a travesty of justice of Perth was provided a licence ahead of one of the other three contenders.

Western Australians chucked a massive tantrum when Brisbane was awarded the 2020 AwFuL GF ahead of Perth, despite it being the fault of their Premier for having really strict border protocols for interstate residents entering WA that made it impossible to host the game in Perth. Their argument was "Brisbane isn't a footy state" and the Gabba is "dilapidated". Perth ain't an RL state and PRS is more dilapidated than the Gabba.

I guess we can rule Perth out of contention based on their own logic?

Wow you come up with some nonsense arguments sometimes...

What Western Australians "chucked a massive tantrum"? Barry and his mates from the Rockingham hotel?
so some yobbos from WA claimed QLD isn't a footy state, so this is an argument for not expanding the NRL to Perth?

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Donkey must get paid for every time he mentions this Colin Smith. Nobody gives a shit what the guy says.

But I see he's an advocate for Melbourne 2. It's weird donkey never talks about that one.

NRL and AwFuL care about what Colin Smith says. They hired him to advise them on their broadcast deals. Roy Masters quotes him regularly.

 

[Get Rid of The Donkeys]

Wow you come up with some nonsense arguments sometimes...

What Western Australians "chucked a massive tantrum"? Barry and his mates from the Rockingham hotel?
so some yobbos from WA claimed QLD isn't a footy state, so this is an argument for not expanding the NRL to Perth?

"Queensland — the home of rugby league and one of Australia’s most dilapidated stadiums — is positioning itself to snatch the AFL grand final hosting rights."

https://thewest.com.au/sport/afl/af...r-from-perth-and-optus-stadium-ng-b881609747z

"Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk needs to take her “second rate beer and stadiums” out of the AFL Grand Final debate and stop spreading “fake news”, according to The West Live host Jenna Clarke.

An assistant editor of Perth’s only daily newspaper, Clarke slammed the “banana bender” for poking fun at WA’s pitch for the marquee fixture.

The Queensland Premier posted the front page of today’s The West Australian on Facebook, captioned with “Western Australia appears upset with the idea of the AFL Grand Final being played in a so-called NRL state”."

Why would we settle for warm beer?

Queensland Premier Annastacia Palaszczuk needs to take her ‘second rate beer and stadiums’ out of the AFL Grand Final debate and stop spreading ‘fake news’, according to The West Live’s Jenna Clarke.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[Perth Red]

Donkey must get paid for every time he mentions this Colin Smith. Nobody gives a shit what the guy says.

But I see he's an advocate for Melbourne 2. It's weird donkey never talks about that one.

and PNG, says there shouldn't be another regional team then calls for NZ2 which in effect will be on a same scale as a NRL regional team lol.
Colin Smith failed the game numerous times, I wouldnt care a jot what he said

 

[Perth Red]

i honestly question anyone's qualifications who thinks PNG is going to add lots of broadcast value to a country like Australia.... those economics don't add up at all.

Or NZ2, unless SKyNZ add $20mill+ a year which is highly unlikely

Good thing is the extra content, and hopefully competition, will drive the next TV rights price up.
That leaves the NRL free to decide on expansion with long term strategy in mind rather than a quick cash grab or being dictated to by whats best for TV rather than whats best for RL for a change