hammo1405 said:
I hope he doesn't defend anything like BK ... How many times has the merkin rushed out of teh line in the last 5 years and blatantly cost the side a try... I'll admit his defence has got better and hes stopped with his crazy swinging arm tackles, but he misses 28% of his tackles, whereas Orford misses 33%. So you're right, Kimmorley is a better defender - but not by much.
Thanks for the info mate. However, i'm not all for stats because they are misleading. Is dean Collis a better goal kicker than hazeem??? dean has 100% record this year better than Hazeem's say 90%
Anyway, if you want to go done that track you got these stats wrong as well.
2007 BK 220tackles for 45 misses thats an average of 18.5 a game with a 20%miss tackle rate.
2007 Orford 88 tackles for 23 misses an average of 14.6 a game with a 26%miss tackle rate.
AND orford has played half the games BK has this year .....
Lets just say BK chases his kick down field (which he does not get the credit for....his effort each week is amazing, something not picked up by stats!!!) and rushes up to put pressure on the fullback and lets say he misses but does enough to stifle the fullback and he gets tackled a metre away. He has a miss tackle but conceded a metre to the opposition. THATS why stats don't tell you anything.
I included ineffective tackles in my calculations before. Sorry, I should have pointed that out.
I have never questioned Kimmorley's effort on the park, the fact is the man is no longer a halfback capable of delivering a premiership. I've met him - he seemed like a nice enough bloke and he clearly has a passion and love for the sharks ... BUT this is not good enough for our team. Effort only gets you so far in the NRL, you need genuine skill to back it up. Kimmorley used to have this, but he hasn't been half the player he was since the intercept to Matty Bowen. Look at Bird and Gallen, they put in top efforts every week but they also come up with PERFORMANCE. Kimmorley puts in a top effort but it just doesn't cut it at NRL level anymore.
The stats are useful mate, if objectively viewed. Obviously you don't just take stats at face value and draw conclusions from them. You should make your observations from watching the game and then look at stats.
That's what I did. I observed that we play worse when Kimmorley has a greater influence on the game, and I found a statistic to support that observation.
When we lose, Kimmorley touches the ball on average 12 more times per game than when we win. Period.
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