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Maybe it should be put in the title that this thread is for people whose age is in double figures ;-)
no, there is nothing inherently dividing about it, but in a country where that is not the norm, then yes, it does go some way (albeit an extremely minute way) to dividing the nation.
no, there is nothing inherently dividing about it, but in a country where that is not the norm, then yes, it does go some way (albeit an extremely minute way) to dividing the nation
no, but it's a dividing thing. maybe i'm totally off the wall, but i would have thought that assoication with the Japanese community is more of a Japanese thing than an Australian thing. if you've got one guy who likes eating pork, and you've got his neighbour across the road who thinks that eating pork is immoral, then obviously the neighbour is going to think that his actions are immoral. if we've got Australians viewing other Australians as immoral, then tell me how this doesn't divide the nation! a line has to be drawn somewhere between what's to be tolerated and what's not to be tolerated. as Panjabi says:Is our desire to associate with the Japanese community a bad thing?
but what if these views conflict? am i allowed to possess the belief that homosexuality is immoral and disgusting? it doesn't seem that way. apparently i'm just meant to tolerate it, even though my faith is strongly against it. it is impossible to have a nation, or any group at all, that harbours all beliefs, because some of these beliefs will conflict.The ability for an individual to practice ones cultural and religious traditions should be accepted as the 'norm' in any country
and there goes your argument out the window: who decides what is morally/ethically questionable?hrundi99 said:Also, you don't have to agree with all of people's differences, but you should accept their right to practice them, as long as they aren't illegal or morally/ethically questionable, such as female genital mutilation.
i totally agree, but the same dilemma comes up: who decides what is legal and what's not? laws are completely arbitrary, and they by necessity reflect the culture of the country that created them: the only reason the law works is because there's a system in place to ensure that there is a large force of people (police and judges) to uphold it, and the majority of people don't rebel, because they agree that those laws are reasonable. legality can not be equated with morality in every case.skeepe said:As I see it, as long as it isn't against the law, then people should be allowed to do what they want.
Kris_man said:and there goes your argument out the window: who decides what is morally/ethically questionable?hrundi99 said:Also, you don't have to agree with all of people's differences, but you should accept their right to practice them, as long as they aren't illegal or morally/ethically questionable, such as female genital mutilation.
my argument is that there is no-one who can provide the definitive, objective answer to that question, but everyone has their own subjective belief, whether they know it or not. group harmony is found when all people, or at least most people, in the group share similar beliefs regarding what is ethically right/wrong, ie, what actions should be encouraged and which ones whould be discouraged.
exactly. so laws really just represent the views of the majority. and the fact that the majority holds a certain view is not reason enough to believe that it is morally right. therefore, that legality can not be equated with morality, that's the only point i was trying to make, and i only said it in response to skeepe's comment.hrundi99 said:If something is happening and there is enough community feedback and concern then laws CAN be changed and/or it can be frowned upon and avoided in the future.
Because I live in QLD and talk to QLDers' all the time.Why would you say rednecks live in Qld?
lol, no problemo, stop QLder's hating anything non white or in a broncos jersey and I'll stop judging them.How about you stop being judgmental and lets tolerate differences
Yes that in fact all people are equal, despite what Johnny and other would tell you, and despite what you may hear in QLD.Your own comments reveal your own discriminatory beliefs.......
Kris_man said:but what if these views conflict? am i allowed to possess the belief that homosexuality is immoral and disgusting? it doesn't seem that way. apparently i'm just meant to tolerate it, even though my faith is strongly against it. it is impossible to have a nation, or any group at all, that harbours all beliefs, because some of these beliefs will conflict.
Mr Angry said:Because I live in QLD and talk to QLDers' all the time.Why would you say rednecks live in Qld?
They care not for immigrantslol, no problemo, stop QLder's hating anything non white or in a broncos jersey and I'll stop judging them.How about you stop being judgmental and lets tolerate differences
Yes that in fact all people are equal, despite what Johnny and other would tell you, and despite what you may hear in QLD.Your own comments reveal your own discriminatory beliefs.......
Migrants are scum, or have you hear the call of Queenslander?
Pick the correct side to fight against, fargwit.
Kris_man said:exactly. so laws really just represent the views of the majority. and the fact that the majority holds a certain view is not reason enough to believe that it is morally right. therefore, that legality can not be equated with morality, that's the only point i was trying to make, and i only said it in response to skeepe's comment.hrundi99 said:If something is happening and there is enough community feedback and concern then laws CAN be changed and/or it can be frowned upon and avoided in the future.