Ramifications of the Kalyn Ponga deal

[davi]

I think the Kalyn Ponga deal sets a dangerous precedent. I can't recall a player so untried and untested getting a deal worth 3 million. For a guy to play only two first grade games and receive a contract like that shows clubs are willing to give staggering deals for potential. And players that have seen to have a great future playing for teams for Australian school boys have been never given a deal like that either.

I feel that clubs should never pay huge deals for untried potential, and the Ponga deal now sets a precedent for that. Managers of rookies and upcoming talent will likely use the Ponga deal as leverage for their clients getting a whopping deal without proving themselves now too.

 

[umina panther]

Desperate club took a punt its not a big issue

 

[Last Week]

The only danger that really exists is such a young man having all that money. Like most of our young players in the game.

If he keeps his nose clean he'll be fine.

 

[DiegoNT]

I remember about a dozen years ago a struggling club, that at the time had never played in the finals, put down a reported 450k (when at the time test halves like johns fittler and barrett where reported to be in the 500-600k range) for a bony, tiny kid who had played about a dozen games and had been stuck in reserve grade behind 2 handy halves. It's pretty obvious who I'm talking about.
Broncos reportedly paid Milford 950k to join the club (although being the broncos it's more likely to be 200k and the 'joy of being coached by wayne bennett'). While milford had glimpses of greatness at the raiders it was still a big gamble.
Even when they don't join other clubs it's a big gamble. Cowboys paid a shedload to keep taumololo in 2014 even though he had yet to deliver consistency in his game.
So this Ponga thing hasn't set a precedent, it's actually fairly common in our game.

 

[AlwaysGreen]

Coote > ponga.

 

[Nice Beaver]

So sweet that a Bronco's supporter is concerned about money spent on a player.

He'd likely be on the same at Brisbane but only $150k a year on the books.

 

[Hutty1986]

The first name in caps adds a real sense of drama to this thread.

 

[mozza91]

A large amount of Queensland butthurt seems to be the main ramification.

 

[The Mad Hatter]

Ten bucks says Brisbane will offer Ponga a ten year deal on beer money and he'll take it over the Knights.

 

[Medium Rare]

I dont think it's a massive punt. Outside backs seem to transition well into first grade almost straight away and judging by his first few games it wont be a problem.

I think it was the right move by Newcastle. You have to fill the cap somehow and it's better to buy on potential then journeymen who aren't going to get you anywhere

If he was a halfback on the other hand.....

 

[davi]

A large amount of Queensland butthurt seems to be the main ramification.

I'm a Broncos fan not a Cowboys fan. It's like me saying you as a Knights fan is upset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck left the Roosters. Keep clutching at your straws.

 

[Spot On]

A dangerous precedent???

I'm just astounded that a player manager actually advised his client to take the biggest offer.

Far too often, these agents have advised countless players to join the Broncos on massive unders, hindering their earning potential while they are in the game and of course cutting themselves out of a big slice of their fee.

Milford turned down over a million to play for bugger all, Marshall snubs his nose at 300K to play for free, Mead decides it's better to eat shit sandwiches in Brisbane than unlimited dining out on the Gold Coast and the list goes on. Jimmy the Jet doesn't want extra cash to punt, drink and party with???

All these player managers have advised their clients into taking the worst financial deal. They have forgone their own income. What ever happened to, "Show me the money!" ??? What ever happened to, "Greed is good!"???

What's the world coming to???????

 

[davi]

I remember about a dozen years ago a struggling club, that at the time had never played in the finals, put down a reported 450k (when at the time test halves like johns fittler and barrett where reported to be in the 500-600k range) for a bony, tiny kid who had played about a dozen games and had been stuck in reserve grade behind 2 handy halves. It's pretty obvious who I'm talking about.
Broncos reportedly paid Milford 950k to join the club (although being the broncos it's more likely to be 200k and the 'joy of being coached by wayne bennett'). While milford had glimpses of greatness at the raiders it was still a big gamble.
Even when they don't join other clubs it's a big gamble. Cowboys paid a shedload to keep taumololo in 2014 even though he had yet to deliver consistency in his game.
So this Ponga thing hasn't set a precedent, it's actually fairly common in our game.

Anthony Milford and Jason Taumalolo played more then two games in first grade. I think your drawing a long bow, in fact Taumalolo had played 56 first grade games in three years in the NRL with the Cowboys when he signed a deal for half million a year at the start of 2015. Milford had played a season with the Raiders when he signed with the Broncos.

 

[Canard]

I think Kalyn Ponga sets a dangerous precedent. I can't recall a player so untried and untested getting a deal worth 3 million. For a guy to play only two first grade games and receive a contract like that shows clubs are willing to give staggering deals for potential. And players that have seen to have a great future playing for teams for Australian school boys have been never given a deal like that either.

I feel that clubs should never pay huge deals for untried potential, and the Ponga deal now sets a precedent for that. Managers of rookies and upcoming talent will likely use the Ponga deal as leverage for their clients getting a whopping deal without proving themselves now too.

Precedence doesn't mean anything in this scenario.

A club is willing to pay what they are willing to pay.

If they rookie demands more because of this deal, than so it's the clubs call.

 

[Canard]

Ten bucks says Brisbane will offer Ponga a ten year deal on beer money and he'll take it over the Knights.

Sections of Broncos fandom have been boasting for a while that he was coming "back" to their club.

For mine him signing with anyone not called the Broncos is better then the Cowboys retaining him.

 

[Johns Magic]

If we want to put that much of our cap as in investment in this kid then let us. We are not a club with a lot of options, we are being very frugal in plenty of areas of our roster.

The Cowboys had their chance to make him a priority. They chose Coote instead. They can cry about money all they want but they had every opportunity to keep this kid who is clearly ambitious. Instead they chose to try and have their cake and eat it too.

We should have a shed load more cap free for 2018 as well. By then there is every possibility Ponga is playing behind a good pack. I am willing to back four or five of the current young forwards already at the club to be part of it - a key signing or two will make a massive difference.

Anyone remember season 2014? 15th and 16th Raiders and Sharks. Two seasons later they are both at the top with reinvigorated sides they rebuilt, largely through great recruitment particularly in their spines.

Valentine Holmes last year came into the reigning wooden spooners as a young outsideback. Two years later, Kangaroo. And if we wanted to sign now him we'd be lucky to get him for $1mill a year.

I am not saying the Knights will reach the same lofty heights. But people forget, the NRL is the best competition in the world for a team to rebuild itself over a couple of years if they play their cards right.

Nathan Brown will live and die by this decision(assuming we make it to the 10 day cooling off period) but at least he's being ambitious. He's tapped plenty of big names on the shoulder and showed them the door, and held fire in terms of spending our cap in the short-term. We had a real tough couple of seasons as a result. It doesn't mean it will be that way forever.

Everyone out there seems to be telling Ponga he is an idiot for his decision but hopefully he keeps some perspective on how quickly things can change in the NRL. The Cowboys are one off-contract Taumololo departure away from being a basket case themselves when Thurston/Scott hang them up at the same time.

 

[mozza91]

I'm a Broncos fan not a Cowboys fan. It's like me saying you as a Knights fan is upset that Roger Tuivasa-Sheck left the Roosters. Keep clutching at your straws.

If a young gun signed with Brisbane would you've started this thread?
Broncos and Cowboys fans are much of a muchness. Pissing and moaning when absolutely everything doesn't go their way.

 

[Canard]

If we want to put that much of our cap as in investment in this kid then let us. We are not a club with a lot of options, we are being very frugal in plenty of areas of our roster.

The Cowboys had their chance to make him a priority. They chose Coote instead. They can cry about money all they want but they had every opportunity to keep this kid who is clearly ambitious. Instead they chose to try and have their cake and eat it too.

We should have a shed load more cap free for 2018 as well. By then there is every possibility Ponga is playing behind a good pack. I am willing to back four or five of the current young forwards already at the club to be part of it - a key signing or two will make a massive difference.

Anyone remember season 2014? 15th and 16th Raiders and Sharks. Two seasons later they are both at the top with reinvigorated sides they rebuilt, largely through shrewd recruitment.

Valentine Holmes last year came into the reigning wooden spooners as a young outsideback. Two years later, Kangaroo. And if we wanted to sign now him we'd be lucky to get him for $1mill a year.

I am not saying the Knights will reach the same lofty heights. But people forget, the NRL is the best competition in the world for a team to rebuild itself over a couple of years if they play their cards right.

Nathan Brown will live and die by this decision(assuming we make it to the 10 day cooling off period) but at least he's being ambitious. He's tapped plenty of big names on the shoulder and showed them the door, and held fire in terms of spending our cap in the short-term. We had a real tough couple of seasons as a result. It doesn't mean it will be that way forever.

Everyone out there seems to be telling Ponga he is an idiot for his decision but hopefully he keeps some perspective on how quickly things can change in the NRL. The Cowboys are one off-contract Taumololo departure away from being a basket case themselves when Thurston/Scott hang them up at the same time.

Show me where anyone from the Cowboys admin has "cried"?? Bizzare post, which seems to project some insecurities.

How could anyone begrudge him for signing that deal?

Green has wished him well and guaranteed he will be treated just like any other squad player next year.

 

[gUt]

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[Spot On]

Everyone out there seems to be telling Ponga he is an idiot for his decision but hopefully he keeps some perspective on how quickly things can change in the NRL. The Cowboys are one off-contract Taumololo departure away from being a basket case themselves when Thurston/Scott hang them up at the same time.

I have to agree here.

They have peaked as a team, of that there's probably not a great deal of argument.

Thurston and Scott are not too far away from retirement. A couple of seasons.

They will have Morgan and Taumolo as the big names left.

Does anyone know of the size of offers other clubs, including the Cows, made to Ponga?