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Ramifications of the Kalyn Ponga deal

DiegoNT

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Anthony Milford and Jason Taumalolo played more then two games in first grade. I think your drawing a long bow, in fact Taumalolo had played 56 first grade games in three years in the NRL with the Cowboys when he signed a deal for half million a year at the start of 2015. Milford had played a season with the Raiders when he signed with the Broncos.
True, but they were a bit away from being the million dollar players they are now. They were paid massive deals on the gamble they'd take the step and become elite players.
Ponga is being paid about the going rate for a decent fullback. It's the same principle in place paying big in the hope he reaches potential that almost all clubs do
 

Johns Magic

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Show me where anyone from the Cowboys admin has "cried"?? Bizzare post, which seems to project some insecurities.

How could anyone begrudge him for signing that deal?

Green has wished him well and guaranteed he will be treated just like any other squad player next year.

Cowboys fans mostly.

But the Cowboys leaking the details of his contract to the local journalists to write a couple of Knights/Ponga-bashing pieces was a nice touch. Makes sense while the cooling-off period is still in play(which Green openly hinted at).
 

nick87

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Does anyone know if a 5 year deal has ever worked out for the club? It certainly didn't for us and campese
 

Canard

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Cowboys fans mostly.

But the Cowboys leaking the details of his contract to the local journalists to write a couple of Knights/Ponga-bashing pieces was a nice touch. Makes sense while the cooling-off period is still in play(which Green openly hinted at).

Haven't read or seen anything like that.

Personally I can't begrudge a 19 year old kid sighing this type of deal. No-one in their right mind would knock that back.

And I can see why the Knights need to roll the dice.
 

perverse

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Does anyone know if a 5 year deal has ever worked out for the club? It certainly didn't for us and campese
Typically they are horrendous. It's not a good omen. Hopefully the kid has higher ambitions than earning a lot of money.
 

BuffaloRules

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When the new salary cap is finalised and in operation this amount of money is not going to seem out of place even for big name kids that haven't done much previously

NRL players are going to be well paid..
 

Iafeta

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If he has a smart agent he will have a clause in there to get a proportional increase if the cap goes up.
 

Perth Red

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When the new salary cap is finalised and in operation this amount of money is not going to seem out of place even for big name kids that haven't done much previously

NRL players are going to be well paid..

Doubt it will go above $10mill so that's still 10% of cap on a young unproven player, I doubt it will be that common!
 

BuffaloRules

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Doubt it will go above $10mill so that's still 10% of cap on a young unproven player, I doubt it will be that common!

7%

For one of the most hyped players of the last couple of years..,

A desperate team taking a calculated risk...

I like it... What's your plan for them to turn things around?
 

_Johnsy

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Certainly not the 1st time a club has paid a possible future star of RL overs to join them.
 
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Silent Knight

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For one of the most hyped players of the last couple of years..,

A desperate team taking a calculated risk...

I like it... What's your plan for them to turn things around?

He doesn't want us to turn it around. He's just running his predictable "I want Perth to have a NRL team at any cost" agenda.

Just like he used to deathride the current premiers...
 

Johns Magic

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Haven't read or seen anything like that.

Personally I can't begrudge a 19 year old kid sighing this type of deal. No-one in their right mind would knock that back.

And I can see why the Knights need to roll the dice.

Two articles from CM's Pete Badel over the last 48 hours. This is the guy the Cowboys fed the contract details to.

Just sensationalist pot-stirring garbage, trying to make Ponga second-guess himself and bag the Knights. Strangely he was on NRL360 the day Ponga signed saying it was a good signing for the Knights to rebuild and that Ponga was quality and will make it and had roadblocks ahead of him at the Cowboys.

The first article randomly suggests the Knights players will bully Ponga. Next day he puts an article with no quotes in it claiming the players are going to revolt.

Cherry-picking and emotive language at its highest. He talks about Gagai like he's Inglis. The guy scored three tries in 22 NRL games this year.

He is just a Cowboys mouthpiece as long as this cooling-off period is still in play, and none of this happens without the Cows leaking the money details.


Kalyn Ponga walking into potential minefield with Newcastle deal
WHAT price do you put on walking away from a footballing education under Johnathan Thurston?

If you’re Kalyn Ponga, about $3.6 million. And the Cowboys phenom may soon find out that with more money comes more problems.

No one, not even the Cowboys, could condemn Ponga for inking a mega five-year deal with the struggling Newcastle Knights, which he is expected to do in coming days.

The deal will make the 18-year-old the richest teenager in rugby league history. Richer than a young Thurston or $onny Bill Williams. An instant millionaire. Never again will the Ponga family, which has had to deal with some terrible private family trauma, have to sweat over their next dollar.

But, in a sense, the worry has only just begun for the quick-stepping young gun.

The problem with big-money contracts is that every extra dollar amplifies the level of external expectation. The embattled Knights are in their darkest hour and desperate clubs do desperate things. Paying multi-millions for a teen who has played two first-grade games is dangerously desperate but the buck will eventually stop not with Newcastle, but Ponga.

The Knights are offering Thurston-style money for an NRL greenhorn not yet equipped to deliver Thurston-style consistency nor handle Thurston-style expectation.

Ponga is a sharp, intelligent young man with a salt-of-the-earth humility but if he deems cash is king, he will be walking into a minefield in Newcastle.

On one hand, his salary would dictate he is Newcastle’s golden boy who must hit the ground running, winning games with his backfield brilliance, from day one.

On the other, he faces navigating dressing-room barbs from jealous Knights players.

Some will surely be privately miffed that the squad’s youngest player is somehow one of their richest ... a bit like the coffee boy earning more than the company CEO.

Rugby league history shows the most successful players invariably strike the right balance between money and opportunity.

Ponga is flying at the Cowboys. He has tasted first grade at 18. He is being mentored by Thurston, the code’s greatest player. Culturally, the Cowboys are a premiership force and coach Paul Green has big plans for Ponga.

The alternative is that Ponga joins the whipping boys of the NRL. The current Newcastle team is the worst NRL squad I’ve seen in 20 years. By 2018, they will still reside in the NRL cellar. Ponga is a once-in-a-generation talent but even he would know that fullbacks and playmakers are only as effective as the forwards in front of them.

A gifted teenager is not the solitary solution to the many ills of the Newcastle Knights.

Broncos legend Darren Lockyer knocked back scores of more lucrative offers during his stellar career. He was smart enough to know that you can’t put a price on great rosters that win games and premierships.

Ponga is so talented he will make it in the NRL wherever he goes. But if he quits the Cowboys there will be many more dark days at the Knights and moments when Ponga, searching his soul, wonders whether he is prepared to pay the price.


KALYN Ponga’s $3.6 million deal has sparked a player backlash, with Maroons star Dane Gagai among several Knights stars furious over Newcastle’s big-money buy.

The Courier-Mail can reveal a faction of Knights players, including Origin ace Gagai, are seething after Newcastle made Ponga the richest teen in NRL history.

Newcastle coach Nathan Brown is refusing to confirm Ponga’s signing but the deal is done and now the Knights mentor must explain the record investment to his upset players.

Ponga, who has played two NRL games, will pocket more than $1 million in his first two seasons in Newcastle. The 18-year-old will arrive as one of the highest-paid players in Knights history and will earn more than Gagai, who is currently on about $500,000 a season.

The Ponga poaching raid threatens to tear the Knights apart.

Several Knights players rang their agents expressing anger and wanting upgrades after learning of the club’s mega five-year offer to Ponga.

Gagai, in particular, is entitled to be livid. The 25-year-old is Newcastle’s brightest star, having scored five tries in four Origin games, including a hat-trick in Queensland’s 26-16 defeat of NSW in Game Two last season.

Since joining Newcastle in 2012, Gagai has played 105 games and showed his loyalty last year when he rejected Broncos coach Wayne Bennett to sign a new deal with the embattled Knights.

Newcastle’s brightest prospects, 20-year-old twins Daniel and Jacob Saifiti, have also been stunned by the Ponga deal after agreeing to less lucrative extensions in May.

Brown declined to comment when contacted but former Maroons lock Scott Sattler warned Ponga will face envy and brutal expectations in Newcastle.

“It’s a difficult deal for anyone to knock back but it puts enormous pressure on the kid,” Sattler said.

“If Kalyn Ponga doesn’t handle it, he could become a washed-up 21-year-old.

“I hope that doesn’t happen, but on that salary he will be expected to win games regularly for the Knights and it’s only natural that more senior players will be jealous of what he earns.

“Physically, I think he can handle the NRL but emotionally, I’m not sure he is ready to deliver the consistency expected of a player on that sort of contract.

“A player like Johnathan Thurston has developed the emotional intelligence to play to such a high level but Ponga still has so much to learn in the game.”

Broncos legend Darren Lockyer says it is critical Brown and Knights hierarchy provide support networks for the teenager in Newcastle.

“It’s important Kalyn has the right people around him at Newcastle,” he said. “Newcastle might be in a different club in 12 months but whether you are 18 or 30 years old, a $700,000 salary comes with a lot of pressure.

“Kalyn will need help to ensure he is a good investment.’’

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...s/news-story/26334a56d6aa7bc7c4d105cd45e878a6


http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport...l/news-story/8783763bfaaca266702010b67eb5f0bd
 
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Canard

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Right so a guy from a News Ltd paper based in Brisbane is a NQ "mouthpiece"??

I'm guessing you're a moon landing was a hoax guy.
 

Desert Qlder

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It is not ideal to lose a quality youngster but it is not the end of the world for us either.

That a few Knights players would be miffed about Ponga's deal is not an outrageous proposition. Badel has clearly got the story from somewhere, though he may have added his own embellishments, as News Ltd. journos are known to do.

The main criticism coming from Cowboys fans is that they, justifiably, believe that he would have progressed better under a premiership coach and world class players. Certainly moreso than at a basketcase club. Again, not outrageous thinking there.

In the end he took the cash and who can really argue with that?
 

Johns Magic

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Right so a guy from a News Ltd paper based in Brisbane is a NQ "mouthpiece"??

I'm guessing you're a moon landing was a hoax guy.

Getting exclusives from the club, works for the local rag, revealing the contract details in the media courtesy of the Cowboys, talking about the great plans the club had for Ponga(which he somehow knows)? Yeah I think there's a decent chance he may be on the Cowboys' side, and he knows he can vocalise it.

Definitely a change of heart from the video in this article:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l/news-story/cda03405ffca1116b677a86979f998cc

Maybe it's just all strange coincidences, but I'm sure the hand who feeds him is pretty happy about these Perez Hilton quality articles either way - given they fuelled the fire by releasing the contract details to him.
 

Perth Red

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He doesn't want us to turn it around. He's just running his predictable "I want Perth to have a NRL team at any cost" agenda.

Just like he used to deathride the current premiers...

Get a trophy winning coach and multi millionaire owner. Oh hang on......

Great investment if he is the next superstar, massive handicap for next three years if he isn't or if he clears off when the three years are up and he's just starting to become a franchise player.

For the record I am a big fan of the Knights and believe if they can get it right they will be one of the nrl's top band clubs with great the great supporter base and stadium they have.

And how many times does the NRL have to tell you, Perth isn't getting a club.
 

shiznit

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I think the Kalyn Ponga deal sets a dangerous precedent. I can't recall a player so untried and untested getting a deal worth 3 million. For a guy to play only two first grade games and receive a contract like that shows clubs are willing to give staggering deals for potential. And players that have seen to have a great future playing for teams for Australian school boys have been never given a deal like that either.

I feel that clubs should never pay huge deals for untried potential, and the Ponga deal now sets a precedent for that. Managers of rookies and upcoming talent will likely use the Ponga deal as leverage for their clients getting a whopping deal without proving themselves now too.
Meh..... I don't see what the big deal is...

Bad teams will overpay to acquire top talent.

And usually because top talent in the prime of their careers aren't too willing to go to bad teams the club's have to think of other ways to attract these types of players...

And usually that means they are forced to either throw obscene amounts of money at players on the downward curve of their careers in the hope that they can still perform at a high level as well as provide intangibles like leadership etc...

Or they throw the cash at young players unproven but with a high amount of potential in the hope that they catch them on the upward curve towards their prime.

So either way the good clubs struggle to compete with the bad clubs because the good clubs just can't justify spending that type of money on either an unproven kid or a player past their prime when they have other areas of need.

You see it in all sports...

In the NFL last offseason I saw the Texans pay an unproven QB a 4yr $72M contract.

Or in the NBA the Miami Heat paid Tyler Johnson a 4yr $50M deal... there were actual NBA journalists who said... "Tyler Who??"

supply creates demand...
 

Noname36

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If we want to put that much of our cap as in investment in this kid then let us. We are not a club with a lot of options, we are being very frugal in plenty of areas of our roster.

This is what it comes down to. It's not like they're throwing crazy money around at anyone and everyone. Brown and Mooney obviously feel that this kids skills are a crucial piece of the puzzle long term and they're doing what they need to to make it happen.
 

butchmcdick

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I have to agree here.

They have peaked as a team, of that there's probably not a great deal of argument.

Thurston and Scott are not too far away from retirement. A couple of seasons.

They will have Morgan and Taumolo as the big names left.

Does anyone know of the size of offers other clubs, including the Cows, made to Ponga?

I think we offered him around 400 k a year

When JT and Scott retire Wecould always spend the 1 600 000 of salary cap I'd say They are on between them to recruit other players perhaps

As for ponga good luck to him. You can't blame an 18 yo taking that kind of cash. If he stayed with us I couldn't see him cracking first grade regularly next year

If the Knights want to make a player who has played two NRL games their one of their highest paid players have at it

I can't see the rest of the Knights being too happy unless he proves a match winner right away. With the big check comes big expectations
 

butchmcdick

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Getting exclusives from the club, works for the local rag, revealing the contract details in the media courtesy of the Cowboys, talking about the great plans the club had for Ponga(which he somehow knows)? Yeah I think there's a decent chance he may be on the Cowboys' side, and he knows he can vocalise it.

Definitely a change of heart from the video in this article:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sp...l/news-story/cda03405ffca1116b677a86979f998cc

Maybe it's just all strange coincidences, but I'm sure the hand who feeds him is pretty happy about these Perez Hilton quality articles either way - given they fuelled the fire by releasing the contract details to him.

Right

So you have a conspiracy theory with nothing to back it up

There is no way we can match the Knights deal

To be frank if there is anyone feeding the courier mail (a Brisbane paper) shit about this it would be the Broncos. If he backs out of the Knights I'd imagine the Broncos would b favourites to sign him.

Look, now I've gone and accused the Broncos of leaking stories to the courier mail
 

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