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As a group, the current board are a complete abomination, they’ve taken full advantage of a corrupt voting procedure so they can’t be removed -and are committed to telling us to suck eggs.

Well they can govern over nothing for all I care.

Serial fan and member abusers.

Tim sheens and Benji, not a clue.

The Board has to sack them for its own survival.
 
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Fordy20

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The only way we Improve is to sack Lee and Justin and everyone else on the board and start again. Almost forget we also need to piss off any old boys associated with the club.
Gordsy, I think I know where you are coming from in regards to need to piss off any old boys associated with the club,
but surely that's not all of them.

Like Tiger supporters, many 'old boys' are Tiger supporters for life and I would always be happy that they support and want to give back to 'their' club. I'm certainly happy that Heigno & Farah are currently involved (they are not responsible for what is happening on the field (or are they)?

I read that Larry Corowa agrees with a review of the board, he doesn't live in Sydney but happy for him to always be regarded as an old boy. Happy for the likes of Blocker, Sirro, Pearce, Jack, John Dorahy & Skando to be involved when they can, where they can but it has to be for the good of the club.

Are 'old boys' any different to celebrity supporters? Blue Wiggle for example, Dom Perrottet, Michael Clarke, Dawn Fraser, if they can contribute in a positive way, what's wrong with that.

The Broncos have a very successful Brisbane Broncos Old Boys organisation - happy for that type of thing to be started.
 
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A good board is properly elected because that process provides accountability and ensures performance. It may take a couple of incarnations, but it can get there.

When it’s appointed on the matey basis, you end up with the fiefdom we have now.

The problem with old boys under the dodgy regime is that the club deploys and uses them for spin.

The old boys should abandon ship until the process is fixed. That’s the right thing to do. Make a stand like the rest of us.

Get the snouts out of the trough of evil.
 
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A good board is properly elected because that process provides accountability and ensures performance.
Umm that's not true in the corporate world, the board members sometimes nominate mates, other company board members that they know of etc. They may be elected by the company shareholders but the large institutional shareholders make up over 90% of the shares and those institutions simply give their voting rights up to the board members.

Corporate Australia board members are typically on a number of boards at the same time and earn a good living for it. Can't say many companies are successful due to their chairperson and board members.

Now think of West Tigers and the above - guarantee that board members sometimes nominate mates.
Elected by the 'company shareholders - the Wests Group isn't it, that would have more than 90% say -100% isn't it?
 

gordsy

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I sure do mean piss off Blocker, Sirro etc, they do nothing to help us win either bag us at every chance or are leeches. Just because they were great players doesn't mean anyone when it comes to running a club. Will some good people get caught up, probably but the result will still be a net benefit to us.
 

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The Mole: Wheels in motion for Wests Tigers coaching back-up plan as relationships strain​


The interest in Holbrook is three-fold - he could add experience and knowledge as an assistant coach, he could step in if the relationship between Sheens, Marshall and the board becomes untenable… and he is a way of signing Titans star Tino Fa'asuamaleaui.https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-justin-holbrook-interest-tim-sheens-benji-marshall-future-the-mole-scoops/1e0e9965-d744-425e-b5c3-b3c2955d27c8

The Tigers' internal battle has taken a new twist the club showing interest in sacked Titans coach Justin Holbrook through a third party.

With the club at the foot of the NRL ladder and coaches Tim Sheens and Benji Marshall at odds with management, the Tigers are a club very much in crisis.

The interest in Holbrook is three-fold - he could add experience and knowledge as an assistant coach, he could step in if the relationship between Sheens, Marshall and the board becomes untenable… and he is a way of signing Titans star Tino Fa'asuamaleaui.

The Maroons superstar is close to Holbrook - so much so that he had a clause inserted into his current contract that if Holbrook left, Tino is free to walk as well.


The big forward is now assessing his options, with several clubs besides the Tigers keen on his services.

David Fifita is in the same situation but both will wait until later in the year before making any decision on their futures.
 
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The Mole: Wheels in motion for Wests Tigers coaching back-up plan as relationships strain​


The interest in Holbrook is three-fold - he could add experience and knowledge as an assistant coach, he could step in if the relationship between Sheens, Marshall and the board becomes untenable… and he is a way of signing Titans star Tino Fa'asuamaleaui.https://wwos.nine.com.au/nrl/wests-tigers-justin-holbrook-interest-tim-sheens-benji-marshall-future-the-mole-scoops/1e0e9965-d744-425e-b5c3-b3c2955d27c8

The Tigers' internal battle has taken a new twist the club showing interest in sacked Titans coach Justin Holbrook through a third party.

With the club at the foot of the NRL ladder and coaches Tim Sheens and Benji Marshall at odds with management, the Tigers are a club very much in crisis.

The interest in Holbrook is three-fold - he could add experience and knowledge as an assistant coach, he could step in if the relationship between Sheens, Marshall and the board becomes untenable… and he is a way of signing Titans star Tino Fa'asuamaleaui.

The Maroons superstar is close to Holbrook - so much so that he had a clause inserted into his current contract that if Holbrook left, Tino is free to walk as well.


The big forward is now assessing his options, with several clubs besides the Tigers keen on his services.

David Fifita is in the same situation but both will wait until later in the year before making any decision on their futures.

Thank goodness.

Give them the bullet Lee, do it now.
 
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Sheens old team mate Gould has a 5 year plan for Canterbury and it’s acceptable or is it,
- that I never get on their forum site to read what their fans say?
- their front office is well run?
 

Das Hassler

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Sheens old team mate Gould has a 5 year plan for Canterbury and it’s acceptable or is it,
- that I never get on their forum site to read what their fans say?
- their front office is well run?

I'd day neither...their forum has been totally inactive for a long time and their front office has been a civil war for a couple of decades and was what got them in the mess they've been in since Dessie left them with a massive credit card bill. Our mob's problem is having hardcore partisan "old club" people on the board. We need a board and key officials who are nothing but 100% WT moving FORWARD with maybe a small heritage committee to work with the club in maintaining symbolic links with the old clubs that doesn't get in the way of WT growing as one club in it's own right and with it's own history. We do have enough only WT old boys now and the bulk of the supporters are actually WT....not Balmain or Wests maggies...it's time to get the old guard out and lock the gate to Jurassic Park
 

Tigerm

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I'd day neither...their forum has been totally inactive for a long time and their front office has been a civil war for a couple of decades and was what got them in the mess they've been in since Dessie left them with a massive credit card bill. Our mob's problem is having hardcore partisan "old club" people on the board. We need a board and key officials who are nothing but 100% WT moving FORWARD with maybe a small heritage committee to work with the club in maintaining symbolic links with the old clubs that doesn't get in the way of WT growing as one club in it's own right and with it's own history. We do have enough only WT old boys now and the bulk of the supporters are actually WT....not Balmain or Wests maggies...it's time to get the old guard out and lock the gate to Jurassic Park
Though still think the board need to get a good coach and let him do his stuff, without interference, winning makes all the shitty stuff go away.
 
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I volunteer to deliver the good news to Tim and Benji.

If Lee goes through with the summary execution, it will restore my faith in the club by say at least 25%.

It will be a courageous move and evidence of that the winds of change are finally upon us.

For the record, I will partially forgive Lee and Pascoe for all of their evils if the deed is done.

Bullet Lee, don’t miss.
 
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Though still think the board need to get a good coach and let him do his stuff, without interference, winning makes all the shitty stuff go away.

It helps with many things.

Getting Hollers in to an assistant coaching role presents a genuine threat to the Tim and Benji show. It’s deeply humiliating and embarrassing for both of them which is what they deserve.

There is no chance on earth Hollers is going to be received with open arms. In fact his presence is only going to add to the tension in the coaching ranks pre and post Tim stepping down.

The only solution is the sack the useless incumbents.

Cut them down where they stand and start again.

Hollers for 2 years commencing next week.

Kpi of getting us into the top 13 next year should suffice.

That would really help the club out no end at this point.

It’s otherwise good to see the panic taking hold. We need some stimulus other than a “ f**k u” from our cretinous incompetent management.

The failed master and his idiot son, driving the club off a cliff.
 

TroyJax

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I volunteer to deliver the good news to Tim and Benji.

If Lee goes through with the summary execution, it will restore my faith in the club by say at least 25%.

It will be a courageous move and evidence of that the winds of change are finally upon us.

For the record, I will partially forgive Lee and Pascoe for all of their evils if the deed is done.

Bullet Lee, don’t miss.
If this happens, the club is f**ked and I mean up the arse.
 
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The magpies ‘coach of the century’ has his say.

Wests Tigers living in the past, looking at the future, but ignoring the present

As the Western Suburbs coach of the century, Roy Masters is uniquely positioned to examine the problems that haunt the joint venture.

I cannot open it (reached my quota of free articles), would someone else like to copy & paste?
 

Tigerm

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The magpies ‘coach of the century’ has his say.

Wests Tigers living in the past, looking at the future, but ignoring the present

As the Western Suburbs coach of the century, Roy Masters is uniquely positioned to examine the problems that haunt the joint venture.

I cannot open it (reached my quota of free articles), would someone else like to copy & paste?
Just as I thought, it’s all the Maggie’s fault, hahaha

Before the Wests supporters jump in, I’m only joking….I think, lmao
 
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Fordy20

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I cannot open it (reached my quota of free articles), would someone else like to copy & paste?

The problem with Wests Tigers is too much of the Scarlett O’Hara “I’ll think about it tomorrow” philosophy.

Most people on the Wests side of the joint-venture NRL club admit their future is at Campbelltown but despite Balmain having only one director on the eight-person board, the decision to move westward is persistently delayed, just as Scarlett vacillated in Margaret Mitchell’s iconic book Gone With The Wind.

West Tigers’ spiritual past is Lidcombe and Leichhardt; the pragmatic present is a $40 million new training hub at Concord and a wealthy Leagues Club at Ashfield, together with some home games at Parramatta and Homebush.

But its future is an hour down the expressway to the rich vein of youthful playing talent at Campbelltown.

The most recent controversial decision – hiring Scott Fulton as chief recruiter – is an implied admission of the inevitable. Fulton, the son of Immortal Bob Fulton, has actively recruited players from Sydney’s outer west for the Sea Eagles, as have Canterbury. (In a 2021 under-17 representative match between Wests and Manly, six lads from each team gathered for a combined photo. All 12 were mates from Sydney’s south-west).

Fulton’s appointment is partly designed to identify western Sydney talent for West Tigers and stem its flow to inner-city clubs. Yet the manner in which his appointment was communicated to the Wests Tigers coaching staff further reflects Scarlett O’Hara thinking. The recommendation to appoint Fulton came from club management, headed by chief executive Justin Pascoe. The board, after some reservations, agreed on the Friday evening before a match against the Panthers in Bathurst, while insisting head coach Tim Sheens be told before the media learned of the decision.

Management opted to inform Sheens on the Monday and it leaked in the interim. When quizzed by some directors on the management delay, the response was, in effect, “We didn’t want to interfere with Tim’s preparation of the team.”

Sheens, a premiership winner at two clubs, is a professional. He would have blown up about not being consulted on the Fulton appointment but would never have let it impact on the team. He would have argued the club’s existing recruitment head, Warren McDonnell, had comprehensive knowledge of all the talent in the outer west.

It was McDonnell’s recruitment team which signed the three Campbelltown players – Luke Laulilii, Lachlan Galvin and Heath Mason – selected last weekend in the Australian Schoolboys team. McDonnell has since left the club, and it is not clear whether Wests Tigers will go through with the contractual offers he made to other talent in the south-west.

When the Wests Tigers board heard that Fulton may revoke the McDonnell offers, they instructed Pascoe to ensure this doesn’t happen. This is the same board whom former broadcaster Alan Jones recently called upon to resign, using the hackneyed cliche, “a fish rots from the head.” So, if the players identified by McDonnell and the very capable deputy Shannon Gallant are cut from Wests Tigers pathways and development program, is it the fault of the board, or another example of management delay?

There are remarkable similarities between the background and skills of the CEOs of the NRL’s two joint-venture clubs, with the Dragons also anchored to the bottom of the premiership ladder. Both Pascoe and St George Illawarra’s Ryan Webb were educated in Melbourne, were employed at the same AFL club, the Western Bulldogs, and worked together at Wests Tigers, where Webb was chief operating officer between 2015 and 2019. Their expertise is in marketing and finance, with Pascoe credited for securing a fixed price outcome for the Zurich Centre of Excellence.

The Concord headquarters, with its highly publicised barber’s shop, would suit the players, with few living at Campbelltown. Contrast that with the pre-club merger era when Tommy Raudonikis coached the Magpies and lived at Campbelltown.

Ahead of a home game, he stood on the back of a utility, loud hailer in hand, yelling in a throaty voice, “Come to the game”, as the vehicle rolled around Campbelltown on Saturday mornings. He once left his mobile phone on the cabin roof of the utility and it rolled off. Two youngsters found the phone and returned it to Tommy, yet the same community has the unkind reputation of removing hubcaps from cars driving too slowly past.

It’s not as if Wests Tigers are wedded to Concord. I visited, admittedly on a Monday, to do a podcast and it was almost empty, certainly not the buzz you see at the Storm’s Melbourne headquarters, even on a non-training day.

The Storm are 25 years old, almost the same as the Wests Tigers joint venture between the 1908 foundation clubs. Their separate histories are proudly and equally displayed at Concord but the black, white and gold colours of the joint venture dominate.

A new generation has grown up supporting Wests Tigers and, while the Magpies control the board, the ARLC would never allow the licence to be renamed Magpies. To blame Wests Tigers’ decade-long failure to play NRL finals on divided loyalties can only be valid if the players use this as an excuse. Players are notorious for finding external excuses for failure. (Witness the win which invariably follows the sacking of a besieged coach). Weak players always look elsewhere before examining the inadequacies inside their own uniform.

Former Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire once phoned me, as a former Magpies coach, speculating he was considering resurrecting the Fibros versus Silvertails ethos.

This was a phrase I coined when in charge of the Magpies in the late 1970s to motivate the players from the western suburbs when we played the wealthier clubs, especially Manly.

I agreed the game’s elite still looked down upon Wests Tigers but all clubs now have the same salary cap. Rich clubs think the most important factor in winning is spirit. Poor clubs know it is money. Yet all clubs now receive the same NRL grant. Still, there would be a similarity in the family background of a Campbelltown-raised team and the original Fibros: they all came from the same money, which is to say, not much.

When Maguire’s team suffered a series of heavy defeats, I asked him how the Fibro push had gone. He revealed there was no buy-in from senior players.

Compare that with the comment from former Wests international Les Boyd when I was haranguing the Magpies about social injustice. Les, who never played on the right wing but has always positioned himself there politically, told me, “I know all that Fibro stuff you go on with is bullshit but I make myself believe it.” OK, perhaps the world has since moved on but it was a rare player in the late 1970s who didn’t put the club first.

Rugby league players have never enjoyed more power within a club than the present. Given the shallow pool of talent across the NRL, it’s a player market, where those at the poorly performing clubs can demand mid-season moves and seek extended time off. When Wests Tigers recently lost 74-0 to the Cowboys and club chair Lee Hagipantelis hinted he would look at potential replacements, there was push back from the football department about upsetting the sensitivities of players.

These were the same players who not only missed tackles but set themselves in position to avoid making them. Yet, when both Wests Tigers and the Titans made moves to reverse perennial failure, they moved against the football department, rather than the players. The Titans’ secret appointment of Des Hasler as coach was done without the knowledge of football manager Mal Meninga, while the Fulton choice blindsided Sheens and his planned successor, Benji Marshall.

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