Rd16: Eels v Rabbits GAME DAY THREAD @ Accor Stadium 2/7/22

[hindy111]

Lets call everyone a superstar. I hate it when someone misses out.

Hindy111 is a superstar

 

[hindy111]

Another issue thats been done to death - including a detailed comparison of origin, international and finals experience amongst the better squads.

We don't quite match the better sides for experience or leadership but it is well above average.

I try to save definitions like "superstar" for truly elite players who have demonstrated this through what they have delivered. I don't think we have players in that category, but many of them are very good.

You don't use your superstars as freely as I first thought.

 

[hindy111]

So what do we call the best dozen players in the game if the word "superstar" now applies to at least 50 players?

We may need a new word.

Genuine superstars ?

 

[Eelogical]

We may need a new word.

Genuine superstars ?

Overachievers.

 

[hindy111]

I went over every sides best 17 in the comp and guess who the two clubs with the least amount of players/Jnrs they developed into NRL players

Bulldogs and Eels both tied.

If people think we don't have something wrong with our juniors then they have rocks in their heads. I even counted Matterson as ours even thou we where unable to to get him into the NRL.

It's easy to bag the coach. I agree he is part of the problem. But our Jnr development and retention is diabolical for a club our size.

We need to be producing atleast 1 or 2 NRL level players a season. Who in the last 5 yrs have we unearthed who are genuine NRL players?

D.Brown,Mahoney, Penisini,

We could argue Dunster and Kafusi as well.

4 of those guys where unearthed close to 5yrs ago now. In the last 3yrs we've produced one player in Penisini.
Its a terrible output. Unacceptable


To be successfull you need young kids coming thru every year ready to take over from the guy who now wants his pay day.
We simply do not have that. Our options are buy and hope we get a gem like Papali'i or go after a bad boy needing a 2md chance or someone who has had a lot of injuries. This is throwing darts. For every Papali'i there is your Cartwrights,Roache and so on.

Untill we fix our junior supplies we ain't winning shit. Juniors mean a cheap 2 or 3 seasons which gives you an advantage in the salary cap. They are also more likely to stay for slight unders having a bond with the club who bought them into the system since they where 14.

Filling your squad with money chasers never works. Seen it to often before.

 

[Cloeel]

I went over every sides best 17 in the comp and guess who the two clubs with the least amount of players/Jnrs they developed into NRL players

Bulldogs and Eels both tied.

If people think we don't have something wrong with our juniors then they have rocks in their heads. I even counted Matterson as ours even thou we where unable to to get him into the NRL.

It's easy to bag the coach. I agree he is part of the problem. But our Jnr development and retention is diabolical for a club our size.

We need to be producing atleast 1 or 2 NRL level players a season. Who in the last 5 yrs have we unearthed who are genuine NRL players?

D.Brown,Mahoney, Penisini,

We could argue Dunster and Kafusi as well.

4 of those guys where unearthed close to 5yrs ago now. In the last 3yrs we've produced one player in Penisini.
Its a terrible output. Unacceptable

Exactly so is that a coaching problem?

Or is it a resources problem?

People bang on about the coach and fail to dig a bit deeper into the systemic issues that go beyond running laps at Kellville.

 

[emjaycee]

No, let’s just say our players simply aren’t good enough compared to the top teams even though they’ve consistently demonstrated they’re amongst the best in their positions. If Koroisau was in our team then the fans would say how he’s no Damien Cook. He’s just not good enough.

I think on their day alot of our players are as good as those in the top teams. Unfortunately, they dont seem to be on their day often enough and at the same time as each other very often.

 

[Cloeel]

I think on their day alot of our players are as good as those in the top teams. Unfortunately, they dont seem to be on their day often enough and at the same time as each other very often.

Which is why developing players from a younger age and having strong pathways to the NRL is far more important than the instant dopamine hit of giving the coach the arse every couple of years. looking for the silver bullet.

 

[Cloeel]

We may as well keep BA for the next 30 years if we don't strengthen our pathways.

 

[emjaycee]

So what do we call the best dozen players in the game if the word "superstar" now applies to at least 50 players?

Legends?

 

[hindy111]

Exactly so is that a coaching problem?

Or is it a resources problem?

People bang on about the coach and fail to dig a bit deeper into the systemic issues that go beyond running laps at Kellville.

Unsure mate. But I do recall people on here saying how BA has had a lot to do with the JUNIOR set ups and how we have some of the best talent coming thru in years. This goes back about 4-5yrs. Id expect all this talent to be flowing by now.
Our juniors seem to be going average at best.

I can't blame BA for our JNR SETUP. I have no idea how it works. But it's certainly broken. Untill its fixed we will see guys like Makatoa and Ogden as our depth.

 

[hindy111]

We may as well keep BA for the next 30 years if we don't strengthen our pathways.

Agree. You need good kids constantly pushing the starting 17.
At the moment I can't think of one in NSW CUP who we just can't hold back or is destined for NRL .

 

[emjaycee]

What a disappointing, horrible performance, no excuses!

I know, reading this thread can seem like that mate.
And the game on Saturday night was pretty shit too hey!

 

[hineyrulz]

I went over every sides best 17 in the comp and guess who the two clubs with the least amount of players/Jnrs they developed into NRL players

Bulldogs and Eels both tied.

If people think we don't have something wrong with our juniors then they have rocks in their heads. I even counted Matterson as ours even thou we where unable to to get him into the NRL.

It's easy to bag the coach. I agree he is part of the problem. But our Jnr development and retention is diabolical for a club our size.

We need to be producing atleast 1 or 2 NRL level players a season. Who in the last 5 yrs have we unearthed who are genuine NRL players?

D.Brown,Mahoney, Penisini,

We could argue Dunster and Kafusi as well.

4 of those guys where unearthed close to 5yrs ago now. In the last 3yrs we've produced one player in Penisini.
Its a terrible output. Unacceptable


To be successfull you need young kids coming thru every year ready to take over from the guy who now wants his pay day.
We simply do not have that. Our options are buy and hope we get a gem like Papali'i or go after a bad boy needing a 2md chance or someone who has had a lot of injuries. This is throwing darts. For every Papali'i there is your Cartwrights,Roache and so on.

Untill we fix our junior supplies we ain't winning shit. Juniors mean a cheap 2 or 3 seasons which gives you an advantage in the salary cap. They are also more likely to stay for slight unders having a bond with the club who bought them into the system since they where 14.

Filling your squad with money chasers never works. Seen it to often before.

Development club!!

It’s easy to slap a label on something but much harder to do it. I’ve heard the junior ranks are full of nepotism and useless merkins. A bit like first grade

 

[TheRam]

They have 6 current State of Origin 2 squad members and 2 NZ internationals

Yeah they are not as strong as they were a few years ago, but they are still stacked

I stand by what I said. There spine, other then Teddy, is all over the place and there forwards are not what they used to be. Adding the former want to be mass murderer to their squad mid season may help a little but they still need to rebuild somewhat. Hence their current position outside the 8.

Really, are you struggling to see this, or are you just being an argumentative pou?

 

[Gary Gutful]

Legends?

I like it!

 

[hineyrulz]

Exactly so is that a coaching problem?

Or is it a resources problem?

People bang on about the coach and fail to dig a bit deeper into the systemic issues that go beyond running laps at Kellville.

Lol, if you think we are well coached I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[hineyrulz]

I know, reading this thread can seem like that mate.
And the game on Saturday night was pretty shit too hey!

I think Pou’s effort in this thread has been super human, with Gronk not here he has really picked up the slack. What a trooper!!

 

[hindy111]

Lol, if you think we are well coached I have a bridge to sell you.

How much do you want for this bridge?

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

We may need a new word.

Genuine superstars ?

Superduperstars