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Rebels win control of Parramatta

fish eel

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I think you've answered that by mention of the charter of the leagues club?

Only partially.

What is to stop the leagues club providing less money to the NRL operations if they dont control it, and providing more direct to junior clubs?

Well, if NRL and junior footy are controlled by the same club (the footy club), then the leagues club grant would be going to the same place, and so it would be up to the footy club how to prioritise their grant income - on NRL or Juniors?

See above. ;-)


I guess it just means we will be in the position that all of the other footy clubs are, and face the same uncertainties that all of the other clubs seem to manage do in that regard. I have asked a number of questions about the continued benefits (if any) of the structure in the thread Invitation to the Current Board that remain unaddressed by the above media statements.


Same as happens for any other club. I don't believe our current structure gives any additional guarantees about how the LC would react should the salary cap be raised, as to whether they would happily give an extra grant to the NRL team. Under the current structure the CEO's public statements have been the opposite of a guarantee of stability and continued funding in the next five years. So if there are no guarantees either way, isn't it better to have a structure where NRL matters are no longer at arms length from members, and no longer have the potential of being ruled out of order at either AGM should teh chairman wish to not permit discussion on matters that strictly aren't under the remit of either body?

Personally I don't believe the salary cap is going up (more than inflation) again any time soon, it can't as the game is not rich enough to cave into greedy manager and elite player demands.

I guess the current structure makes a direct link between the football operations and their major source of revenue.

The real question, IMO, is what structure best secures Parramatta's future in the long term? And, tbh, I'm yet to be convinced of which one is the best....
 

Suitman

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I am no bart ;-) but....

Once the NRL side is back with the footy club... the ultimate goal of the powers to be should be to make the footy club financially self sufficient. Then it should not really matter if the leagues club revokes grants / support etc
and we will not be effected by any pokie taxes :sarcasm:

I agree. Neither Newcastle or Melbourne have a Leagues Club that continually throws money at them. The Wests Tigers get a very small grant, and they have 3 Leagues Clubs. It's time the Football club found ways to make themselves financially self sufficient, as much as they can anyway. Maybe that's the major failing of the previous boards - they relied too heavily on the Leagues Club grants, hence the whinging when the pokie tax came in.

Suity
 

TheRam

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Actually I think our financial position is because if the fiscal policy of the NSW Government, blatantly bleeding licensed clubs dry.


Which Fitz and his cohorts don't seem to have any ideas in how to combat this new age of club management.
 

Gronk

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Which Fitz and his cohorts don't seem to have any ideas in how to combat this new age of club management.

Which Sydney club has an idea ? Most are struggling mate. A change of heads on the board won't change our financial position in a hurry. Oh, hold on - Col Green has a heap of sponsors ready to sign cheques doesn't he ? :sarcasm:
 

emjaycee

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I agree. Neither Newcastle or Melbourne have a Leagues Club that continually throws money at them. The Wests Tigers get a very small grant, and they have 3 Leagues Clubs. It's time the Football club found ways to make themselves financially self sufficient, as much as they can anyway. Maybe that's the major failing of the previous boards - they relied too heavily on the Leagues Club grants, hence the whinging when the pokie tax came in.

Suity
An interesting read is the West Newcastle Annual Report (http://www.westsnewcastle.com.au/pdfs/WestsAccounts2008.pdf) and the Knights Annual Report (http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/uploads/2007annualreport.pdf). Seems like West Newcastle give a grant of approx $3m but the Knights pay most of it back. Interestingly West Newcastle have listed as one of their 'prinicple activities'
the provision of catering, marketing and administration services at cost to the Newcastle Knights​
 

parra pete

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Which Sydney club has an idea ? Most are struggling mate. A change of heads on the board won't change our financial position in a hurry. Oh, hold on - Col Green has a heap of sponsors ready to sign cheques doesn't he ? :sarcasm:


Fitzy has NO idea. He has been in charge of the Leagues Club for yonks yet he, apparently, has no idea how the fiscal side of the things work. How did he stay in the job so long??? :?
But people on this forum, even some of those who have finished school, seem to know all the 'in and outs' of the Club industry .:crazy:
It's just a matter of getting someone with pride and passion and then *nice person* it's all solved...
Out with the old, in with the new....
 

Suitman

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An interesting read is the West Newcastle Annual Report (http://www.westsnewcastle.com.au/pdf...counts2008.pdf) and the Knights Annual Report (http://www.newcastleknights.com.au/u...nualreport.pdf). Seems like West Newcastle give a grant of approx $3m but the Knights pay most of it back. Interestingly West Newcastle have listed as one of their 'prinicple activities'

That's interesting. So they don't rely on a grant as such.

the provision of catering, marketing and administration services at cost to the Newcastle Knights

These are a service that the Knights would have to provide one way or another.
It seems as though it is outsourced to Wests.​

Suity​
 

murraymob

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why would you want Tony Zappia back from the sharks.Considering his own dramas and the turmoil that club is in now.If you have a new board new direction would you be better served to go with a new fresh CEO
 

Suitman

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Fitzy has NO idea. He has been in charge of the Leagues Club for yonks yet he, apparently, has no idea how the fiscal side of the things work. How did he stay in the job so long??? :?
But people on this forum, even some of those who have finished school, seem to know all the 'in and outs' of the Club industry .:crazy:
It's just a matter of getting someone with pride and passion and then *nice person* it's all solved...
Out with the old, in with the new....

Pete, your sarcasm has been burning ever since yesterdays result.
I doubt whether most think Fitzy has no idea, as you say. It is all about a changing of the guard, fresh ideas and an attempt to ensure that this club moves forward. Most think that it was stagnant.

If you can't accept that the overwhelming feeling yesterday was that change was needed, that is an issue that YOU have to deal with, without throwing your feelings back at others.

Suity
 

Suitman

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why would you want Tony Zappia back from the sharks.Considering his own dramas and the turmoil that club is in now.If you have a new board new direction would you be better served to go with a new fresh CEO

TBH, I've been quite impressed with the way Zappia has handled "his dramas".

Suity
 

mickdo

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why would you want Tony Zappia back from the sharks.Considering his own dramas and the turmoil that club is in now.If you have a new board new direction would you be better served to go with a new fresh CEO

It's Zappia's fault for Bird's actions? In that case Fitzy must be to blame for the Tim Smith saga! :lol:
 

Stagger eel

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Zapps would be very much welcomed back to the fold and just quietly, he'd be more than happy to be back when or if the day eventuated.
 

mickdo

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The clubs turmoil refers to the fact they are a financial cripple and where struggling recently to make the player payments

Well that does count, but Zap hasn't exactly been on board long enough to have made an impact there I don't think ;-)
 
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