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Redcliffe Dolphins recruitment targets

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Wayne Bennett recently charged NRL clubs with manipulating concussion protocols, saying, “The clubs have got a duty of care but none of them practise it.” The accusation, which is tantamount to saying the clubs cheat, caused a number of eyebrows to involuntarily jerk upwards.

When it comes to bending the rules, they claim someone at Bennett’s Dolphins has been approaching players before November 1 when rival clubs are permitted to negotiate with players approaching the final year of their contract.
Maybe it’s not Bennett, or even the Dolphins’ recruitment manager, making the offers on behalf of the new club which enters the competition in 2023.
But someone has allowed player managers to quote Dolphin sign-on fees to their clients. The Dolphins targeted the Storm but failed to land Harry Grant and Jahrome Hughes, with their re-signing now a mere formality. The expansion club is also desperate to secure Melbourne’s Cameron Munster who is contracted to the Storm until the end of 2023. Yet his player manager describes Dolphin offers for Munster as “noise”.

Offers made before November 1 are in clear breach of the NRL rule but headquarters can only act when a club makes an official complaint. No club will lodge a protest because they risk upsetting their own player and his agent.
If the Storm report, say the Dolphins for making a $1 million offer for Munster for 2024, the player can reasonably argue his own club is undermining his price in the market. Similarly, the player manager risks being de-registered. “It’s a lose-lose situation for the club making the complaint,” one club boss said.

There is also a degree of hypocrisy associated with Bennett’s Dolphins and the players they have signed. The NRL has expanded into Queensland to exploit the parochialism of its inhabitants, keen to grow the fan and player base north of the Tweed. The nucleus of strong, enduring teams is homegrown talent but the Dolphins have largely ignored players from their state league. Instead they have signed players from Victoria and NSW, buying half the Storm pack (the Bromwich brothers and Felise Kaufusi), as well as players from Souths and Parramatta.
History is destined to repeat itself when the NRL expands to 18 teams and a new team targets the best couple of players at a number of clubs.

The NRL will soon engage with the RLPA over a new CBA, with headquarters determined to avoid the duplicity inherent in the current contract system. The players and their managers prefer the status quo where they can set themselves up for years ahead of the expiration of their existing contract.

It will be interesting to witness the role of Bennett in this potentially acrimonious debate, given his political puppetry and the huge regard in which he is held by ARLC chair Peter V’landys.

The Skinny Coach is a master manipulator and, when he eventually retires from rugby league, there’s got to be a seat in parliament with his name on it.

 

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With it looking likely Grant will sign a mega deal at Storm leaves just 3 marquees for Dolphons to go after
Kalyn Ponga, Cameron Munster and Reece Walsh

which will they land? My moneys on Munster. He wants a million, Storm wont give him it and his off field antics are wearing thin for an ultra professional org like the Storm. If they can get him for '23 or have to wait for '24 will be interesting. Storm showed with Smith and Ado-Carr they dont let players walk out on a contract easily.
 
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"Instead they have signed players from Victoria and NSW"

Bullshit. Not a single one of their signings is from Victoria. Melbourne Storm have plenty of players that were born and raised in Queensland. Plenty of Sydney clubs have Queenslanders in their squads.

Roy Masters has always been a dumb f**k.
 
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With it looking likely Grant will sign a mega deal at Storm leaves just 3 marquees for Dolphons to go after
Kalyn Ponga, Cameron Munster and Reece Walsh

which will they land? My moneys on Munster. He wants a million, Storm wont give him it and his off field antics are wearing thin for an ultra professional org like the Storm. If they can get him for '23 or have to wait for '24 will be interesting. Storm showed with Smith and Ado-Carr they dont let players walk out on a contract easily.

I hope Munster joins The Dolphins.
 

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I hope Munster joins The Dolphins.
Looking likely. Storm know he's not worth $1mill plus after 2024 to them and Dolphins need a big signing so will throw silly money at him for a last big pay day before he retires. He will be 30 by time he plays for Dolphins so fits into their recruitment strategy lol.

If they can get Munster and Walsh it is at least the start of a decent spine for them!

I hope Bennett isnt setting them up for years of failure though. If they are a bit sht in their first 2 years then they are going to have a lot of their players at the back end of their careers together in 2-3 years time and may again struggle to sign decent replacements.

Lets hope the much talked about QRL production line is producing players for them by then!
 

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Having missed out on Kalyn Ponga who looks set to extend with the Knights (per Dean Ritchie in today's Daily Telegraph), our attention turns to Cameron Munster. Last week, I thought we were a 50-50 chance of getting the Maroons five-eight, and I think that % may have increased (perhaps 60-40 to the Dolphins) with Melbourne recently announcing the extensions to Hughes, Papenhuyzen and Grant.

I formed the view that one of either Brandon Smith or Cameron Munster would be joining us after their off-field indiscretions at the end of 2021 (with the view Melbourne would not tolerate their actions), and with Smith having signed on at the Roosters, I believe we are more than a good chance to bring Munster to the club. If I am being honest, Cameron was/is not my first choice as a potential marquee signing (I don't doubt his talent, I doubt his maturity and leadership qualities to handle the burden of being THE guy at a new club), though a fit and focused Munster (which he is in early 2022) is a world class player. Bennett is also a proven man-manager that can get the best out of off players lacking some maturity, and I think the signing would be a good one given the talent pool for a marquee player is drying up.
 
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Looking likely. Storm know he's not worth $1mill plus after 2024 to them and Dolphins need a big signing so will throw silly money at him for a last big pay day before he retires. He will be 30 by time he plays for Dolphins so fits into their recruitment strategy lol.

If they can get Munster and Walsh it is at least the start of a decent spine for them!

I hope Bennett isnt setting them up for years of failure though. If they are a bit sht in their first 2 years then they are going to have a lot of their players at the back end of their careers together in 2-3 years time and may again struggle to sign decent replacements.

Lets hope the much talked about QRL production line is producing players for them by then!
Melbourne didn't fill their squad with nothing but 30 juniors and journeymen from the Queensland Cup when they entered in 1998. They poached a bunch of experienced older stars from other clubs and surrounded them with the best juniors from Queensland, NSW, PNG and NZ.

If Storm pull their finger out and start developing players from Victoria, as opposed to raiding the junior competitions in Queensland, NSW, NZ, PNG and Fiji, then maybe clubs like The Dolphins, Titans, Cowboys and Warriors will have a chance.

Roy Masters is such a senile old f**kwit he thinks the Storm's players were born and raised in Victoria.
 
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Melbourne didn't fill their squad with nothing but 30 juniors and journeymen from the Queensland Cup when they entered in 1998. They poached a bunch of experienced older stars from other clubs and surrounded them with the best juniors from Queensland, NSW, PNG and NZ.

If Storm pull their finger out and start developing players from Victoria, as opposed to raiding the junior competitions in Queensland, NSW, NZ, PNG and Fiji, then maybe clubs like The Dolphins, Titans, Cowboys and Warriors will have a chance.

Roy Masters is such a senile old f**kwit he thinks the Storm's players were born and raised in Victoria.
Any of the storms queensland or kiwi players could have been developed by those clubs you mentioned. fact is they recruit and develop 16 year old kids to superstars better than any other club. Who cares where the kid was born?
if the nrl ever get serious about funding states like Victoria properly then We might have enough kids playing the game for Storm to pick up some good ones.
 
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Any of the storms queensland or kiwi players could have been developed by those clubs you mentioned. fact is they recruit and develop 16 year old kids to superstars better than any other club. Who cares where the kid was born?
if the nrl ever get serious about funding states like Victoria properly then We might have enough kids playing the game for Storm to pick up some good ones.
Do they really get overlooked by all of these clubs only to be miraculously spotted by the Storm, or is something fishy going on behind the scenes to get them to abandon their families and move to the arse end of Australia?
 
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Do they really get overlooked by all of these clubs only to be miraculously spotted by the Storm, or is something fishy going on behind the scenes to get them to abandon their families and move to the arse end of Australia?
This a serious question?

Its well known that the Storm have one of the best junior recruitment teams in the comp (or at least had) and are excellent at identifying quality of character alongside talent. These players arent simply over looked by other clubs nor is there anything dodgy going on. Its just simply smart recruitment
 
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This Club is going to be a very slow burn.

Marquee players aren’t touching it.

It’s nice to see a new Club start with humble beginnings.

We will see how much true interest there is for this Club.
Not all expansion clubs get Murdoch's money and power to rig everything in their favour. That's exactly what happened when Melbourne entered the NRL in 1998. Around $100m was spent on them by News Ltd and ARLC over 20 years, on top of the annual grant, to create a powerhouse that had access to the best juniors and the remains of Reds, Mariners and Crushers. News Ltd had a 50% stake in the NRL in 1998 and provided the bulk of the game's revenue, so they essentially ran the game. I'd be surprised if anything ran by Murdoch back then wasn't dodgy.
 

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Not all expansion clubs get Murdoch's money and power to rig everything in their favour. That's exactly what happened when Melbourne entered the NRL in 1998. Around $100m was spent on them by News Ltd and ARLC over 20 years, on top of the annual grant, to create a powerhouse that had access to the best juniors and the remains of Reds, Mariners and Crushers. News Ltd had a 50% stake in the NRL in 1998 and provided the bulk of the game's revenue, so they essentially ran the game. I'd be surprised if anything ran by Murdoch back then wasn't dodgy.
And for the last decade plus? Same money as everyone else yet dominated and produced amazing players, some of the best of all
time. I’d hate to think how much eels LC has pumped into the football club over 20 years yet they haven’t come close to storms success. it’s not all about the money ask the broncos! Dolphins are supposed to be mega rich aren’t they, I thought that’s why they got picked?
 
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And for the last decade plus? Same money as everyone else yet dominated and produced amazing players, some of the best of all
time. I’d hate to think how much eels LC has pumped into the football club over 20 years yet they haven’t come close to storms success. it’s not all about the money ask the broncos! Dolphins are supposed to be mega rich aren’t they, I thought that’s why they got picked?
Dolphins got picked because they were financially stable, yes, but also because they have a proven track record of success over decades and have a rusted on following in QCup. They now have one of, if not the best coach of all time on the books along with a very very highly regarded recruitment manager.

$$ doesnt guarantee you success however its a key component. Very rare that a club wins the comp without spending big on both their players, staff and probably more importantly junior systems
 

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Exactly the sort of player the Dolphins should be getting cap exemptions for to sign up.

Off contract at the end of the year, the Dolphins NRL expansion side is keen to lure the Fijian-born 26-year-old winger back to league but Vunivalu told rugby.com.au that he was committed for the long haul.

“I’d like to stay in rugby but I’m not going to make any decision until I’m back on the field and have played three or four games,” Vunivalu said.

 
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And for the last decade plus? Same money as everyone else yet dominated and produced amazing players, some of the best of all
time. I’d hate to think how much eels LC has pumped into the football club over 20 years yet they haven’t come close to storms success. it’s not all about the money ask the broncos! Dolphins are supposed to be mega rich aren’t they, I thought that’s why they got picked?
Melbourne got an extra $30m from the ARLC between 2012 and 2018, courtesy of a stipulation News Ltd put in place when they relinquished their 50% stake in the game and sold the Melbourne Storm.
 

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Melbourne got an extra $30m from the ARLC between 2012 and 2018, courtesy of a stipulation News Ltd put in place when they relinquished their 50% stake in the game and sold the Melbourne Storm.
Not quite, it was $26.5 million. It was the pay out to get News ltd away from the conflict of interest of owning two clubs in the one comp. It also ensured Storm stayed sustainable and helped maximise Tv deals. A very small investment in expansion for the benefits, especially when you consider AFL spends that in one year on both the GWS and Suns!

By 2017 the Storm had started making a profit and continue to be one of the few clubs to do so based on football operations alone.
 
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Not quite, it was $26.5 million. It was the pay out to get News ltd away from the conflict of interest of owning two clubs in the one comp. It also ensured Storm stayed sustainable and helped maximise Tv deals. A very small investment in expansion for the benefits, especially when you consider AFL spends that in one year on both the GWS and Suns!

By 2017 the Storm had started making a profit and continue to be one of the few clubs to do so based on football operations alone.
The sale was announced not long after when salary cap scandal broke out. I think that was the main reason News Ltd parted ways.

Onionball fans from Australia and NZ were salivating at the prospect of the Storm going belly up. It must piss them off to see a Kiwi buy the club and turn them into a profitable business.
 

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If they can land Munster and R Walsh then they will go ok. If they dont get either it could be a tough start for the new club. If they cant land either they may look to UK and try and entice someone like Widdop, Pearce, Croft or Williams back.

Rugby league legend Andrew Johns is worried the NRL's 17th club could fall flat if coach Wayne Bennett fails to sign a marquee player soon.
Bennett's Dolphins will enter the competition next season, and so far they've got eight players signed up - 22 short of what's required by the NRL.
But it's not the number of signings that has Johns concerned, moreso the quality.
Bennett is yet to land a recognised playmaker.
But Johns says if the Dolphins don't start next season with a top-class No.7, their fate is already sealed.
"The Bulldogs have no recognised halfback. They've tried to manufacture halfbacks," Johns told Wide World of Sports' Freddy and the Eighth.
"You need a halfback steering the ship, it doesn't matter how big the ship is.
"(The Dolphins) need that marquee player. That player where fringe players - in NSW Cup or Queensland Cup - say 'right, Munster is there, I want to play with Munster'.
"At the moment they haven't got that player."
Highlighting the Dolphins roster so far are Storm premiership and representative players Felise Kaufusi, Jesse Bromwich, and Kenny Bromwich.
Brad Fittler believes Bennett is trying to build a formidable forward pack before signing his main halfback.
"You need to hold your nerve too. The history of your club isn't based on the first season. The history of your club is built over time, building.
"The last thing you want to do is over-spend on players that don't actually hit that spot.
"I don't think they're going to go as bad as you think. The players that are going up there, you're going to have a rock solid bunch of forwards."
Johns asked if Fittler believes the Dolphins will play NRL finals in their first five seasons, to which he replied, "yes".
 
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