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Reduction of teams in the 2019 world cup

Red Bear

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5000 crowd?

Look,

I love seeing these nations play, especially when they give the big boys a run for their money. But in the fair dinkum stakes, minnow against minnow is a fairer contest and should deliver a decent game










Depends what perspective your looking at

England , Australia and India are the 3 main income streams from the game (India way out in front)

You have all 3 not make the semis, let alone the final, then it isn't really good for the game (financially) from then on it is sentiment value only (ie never won it before, seen as the underdog etc..)

A warm fuzzy feeling winner would be NZ , cause they have never won it before and are most likely not expected too. Be good for cricket in NZ if they won it.


If Australia don't win it my preference would be NZ.

A SA and India final would bury me
England, India and Aus are primary income streams for themselves, now that they rule the game. The world cup, with tv rights, is profitible regardless, but the actions of the big three are promoting greed and short term gain over any long term boost to the game worldwide.

Every decision cricket has been making in recent years makes me worry further about the direction it is going long term. God help us if some of the ideas England have just come up with become reality.
 

Big Sam

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Cricket_World_Cup_Qualifier

Based on that link, Hong Kong, PNG, Kenya, Namibia, Netherlands and Canada would be the next 6 teams in line after UAE and Scotland qualified. They would've been a good addition to this tournament.

Dutch have held their own at T20 level and Namibia, Kenya, and Canada all have history in the tournament. There's 18 teams who will go ok right there. It's not a big stretch to add 2 more.
 

undertaker

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What do you think about this comment as to the reason why the 2019 World Cup will be reduced to 10 teams:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/02/1...s-not-ideal-but-at-least-make-it-interesting/

Scott, the point you miss in your 2019 format proposal is the reason the CWC is going back to 10 teams:

Star Sports (who holds the tv rights for the World Cup) in India WANT India to play at least 9 games, and they will pay (or have already paid) whatever it takes to make that happen.

So come 2019, there won’t be any pools, just a 10-team round-robin stage thus guaranteeing India plays 9 games. Then the semis and the Final.

Your point about Full Members needing to qualify is very valid though, especially if Ireland now happen to sneak into 4th spot in Pool B. The fact that Associate Members will get sod all opportunities to play ranking-boosting ODIs between this event and September 30, 2017 is a travesty of the format change, too.

Sadly, it all come down to money, and it seems despite their already abundant riches, the ICC is prepared to take even more, even if it means the money they take actually contracts the game they’re trying to grow..
 

Big Sam

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If it's volume they want, then why not have 2019's format but with 14 teams?

91 round robin matches - play 2 per day (10am and 2pm starts) and you get a tournament that's only 3-4 days longer than this one when semis and final are factored in.
 

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91 round robin matches - play 2 per day (10am and 2pm starts) and you get a tournament that's only 3-4 days longer than this one when semis and final are factored in.

Great....now you want to make it longer! It is already an absolute shambles this time! I'm dead set half asleep. Get the pool matches done for crying out loud. Wake me up when he QF's start! We don't need a longer tournament!
 

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Here's another World Cup format I'd like to propose (and will be interested to hear your thoughts on this) for maybe 2023 or 2027WC:

If the ICC is focused on achieving a similar number of matches to the current format (49 games), the Rugby World Cup one is something I'd love to see in the future:

- 20 teams
- 4 groups of 5
- top 2 from each group going through to the Quarter-Finals
- 47 games in total (getting rid of the third-place playoff match that the Rugby World Cup has).
- The quarter-finalists are the only teams that automatically qualify for the next World Cup, other spots have to be achieved via a qualification process over the following 4 years.

20 teams would mean more Associate Members, and fans from more countries at the event. Yes, there may be some blowout results, but the matches between the Associate Members would also be very close.

Just no, too many. 16 would be the absolute and I mean ABSOLUTE max. There are too many fairly pedestrian games. Crowds won't show up, and it looks bad, and I haven't checked the ratings but I'm willing to gamble that the ratings are worse for these associates' matches.

Honestly the best format is probably:

2019- 10 teams.
2023- 12 teams
2027- 14- 16 teams

Top 6 teams in the rankings automatically qualify. The rest play a qualification tournament 12 months out from the event. The host nation excluded from qualifying.
 

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Whilst, despite his media conference not being put up by the ICC, Mahela Jayawardene had this to say
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If only Kenya had've been given the same loyalty that Sri Lanka received.

Kenya were starting to make progress and then they got arseholed.
 

JJ

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No what is 'dumb' is any idea where more minnows are there!

No, generally you're dumb...

The so-called 'minnows 'have been good, and the cricket very watchable... Like I said elsewhere, I am sure the so-called 'big three' will have a tri series soon, which will excite you enough to get the lube out
 
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The best games with the greatest emotions this world cup have involved 'minnows'
Funny that!

India are doing everything in their power to destroy the growth of cricket. It is an absolute travesty.
 

JJ

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India are doing everything in their power to destroy the growth of cricket. It is an absolute travesty.

Not sure they are, and even if they were they'd just be following Australia's long held tradition of not supporting growth
 

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Great....now you want to make it longer! It is already an absolute shambles this time! I'm dead set half asleep. Get the pool matches done for crying out loud. Wake me up when he QF's start! We don't need a longer tournament!

I guess quality cricket is not your thing huh, clearly fast asleep and clueless.
Most of the so called 'top 8' games have been sound thrashings and far more dull.
 

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I guess quality cricket is not your thing huh, clearly fast asleep and clueless.
Most of the so called 'top 8' games have been sound thrashings and far more dull.

Close does NOT equal quality. The bigger teams have had better performances, Southee's 7 for, Gayle's double ton, Finch's ton, Duminy/Miller partnership.

I don't want to see players I haven't heard of especially more of them as I hope we win the toss every time as I at least want us to bat 50 overs!
 

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Close does NOT equal quality. The bigger teams have had better performances, Southee's 7 for, Gayle's double ton, Finch's ton, Duminy/Miller partnership.

I don't want to see players I haven't heard of especially more of them as I hope we win the toss every time as I at least want us to bat 50 overs!

LOL you're off your rocker

Gayle and Duminy/Miller was against Zimbabwe which is *by your definition* minnow bashing and of crap quality.

As terrific as it was to watch Southee/McCullum/Finch/BigShow destroy England, the contest was over before even before the innings break. England were basically playing at minnow level, weren't you banging on about how much you hate one-sided affairs?

I don't think you've actually watched any cricket other than highlights reels and Cricinfo headlines.
 

lockyno1

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LOL you're off your rocker

Gayle and Duminy/Miller was against Zimbabwe which is *by your definition* minnow bashing and of crap quality.

As terrific as it was to watch Southee/McCullum/Finch/BigShow destroy England, the contest was over before even before the innings break. England were basically playing at minnow level, weren't you banging on about how much you hate one-sided affairs?

I don't think you've actually watched any cricket other than highlights reels and Cricinfo headlines.

Southee's was by far and away THE performance of the World Cup. Did it against a quality side and it wasn't as if he was getting donkeys out. I enjoyed that performance more than watching two rubbish sides scrape 250 and try their best to lose. That isn't quality cricket. You can support the minnows, go for it. I'll support England's decision to get rid of them and play the BEST 10 sides. Can't wait for 2019!:D
 

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If only Kenya had've been given the same loyalty that Sri Lanka received.

Kenya were starting to make progress and then they got arseholed.

Very good point you make.

Kenya is the only Associate/Non-Full ICC member to make the semi-finals of the Cricket World Cup (2003). They also did it in a much harder format, with the Super 6's still in effect (only the top 3 out of 7 in the group stage going through to the next round. IMO, this was the best format that the ICC should've stuck with if they wanted 14 teams).

And I agree with the other posters who said the games between the Associate Members have been the most emotional and entertaining so far. Fair enough, they haven't been played infront of blockbuster crowds like the India vs South Africa match, but have been far more enjoyable to watch.

Southee's was by far and away THE performance of the World Cup. Did it against a quality side and it wasn't as if he was getting donkeys out. I enjoyed that performance more than watching two rubbish sides scrape 250 and try their best to lose. That isn't quality cricket. You can support the minnows, go for it.

Not taking anything away from Southee's performance. 7 wickets in an innings, whether it is ODI,test match, state or grade cricket, is a fantastic performance. However, it also needs to be mentioned that England's performance overall - batting, bowling and fielding - was absolutely atrocious in their first two matches (Australia would've won by a lot more than 111 runs had they not taken their key bowlers off for the part-timers when England were 6/92. Still annoyed that George Bailey did that, and let a pipsqueak like Taylor (ala Sam Tomkins) get 98*). And also, re: England vs NZ, there's nothing exciting about a match from a neutral fan perspective when a 50 over per side match is finished just after the 45min lunch/dinner break. That's just plain embarrassing.


I'll support England's decision to get rid of them and play the BEST 10 sides. Can't wait for 2019!:D

It's attitudes like yours - and the BCCI/CA/ECB for that matter - which are counter-productive to the growth of cricket. As someone else said, you might as well condense those 10 teams down to a tri-series, as is epitomised in this exchange:

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/02/1...s-not-ideal-but-at-least-make-it-interesting/

Cantab said | February 18th 2015 @ 8:34am

Knowing the ICC I expect the 2019 tournament to be two pools of 5, with the top 4 teams from each pool going through to the quarterfinals.

This ‘boring’ format will once again be blamed on the minnows, resulting in an 8 team world cup in 2023.

In 2023 the eight team World Cup will consist of 2 pools of 4 with the top 4 teams making it through to the quarterfinals. I expect the minnows will once again be blamed for making it predictable.

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Scott Pryde said | February 18th 2015 @ 8:44am

Sounds like the ICC.

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Allanthus said | February 18th 2015 @ 9:09am

Very funny Cantab, and unfortunately way too close to the truth….

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Scott Pryde said | February 18th 2015 @ 9:26am

Scary isn’t it.

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Brian said | February 18th 2015 @ 10:09am
Atfer 10 teams they will propose a 4 team World Cup between India, England, Australia and one qualifier to be played in India with the 4 teams playing each other 8 times over 5 weeks. The top 2 will then contest a final which if rained out would be declared a draw.

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13th Man said | February 18th 2015 @ 10:49am

Then in 2027, it will be a tri series between the only 3 teams that matter. Just like the one we had a couple of weeks ago, what a great WC that was!!!
 
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