Ref Watch 2014 (aka the Skeepe Thread)

[MaxPower]

There is too much controversy and not enough footy.

 

[BranVan3000]

Just get captains challenge in already and if the captains don't use their challenge's appropriately then it is their own fault

 

[Big Sam]

Poms in SL always seem to do the video ref so much better. Max. 1 min for a decision and the video ref explains his thought process as it happens.

 

[Valheru]

This is even up for debate, it was a clear try and yet again we are on the wrong side of crap refereeing. I don’t blame the ref for calling no try as it didn’t look good at first but why not go to the video? I have seen blatant no tries go to the video before just be sure and/or to determine the correct restart method and we can’t go to the video in a semi final?

Earlier in the game the video ref interjected himself and overruled a drop out to us despite not having conclusive evidence so why can they not interject for an incorrect no try decision?

 

[Card Shark]

Just get captains challenge in already and if the captains don't use their challenge's appropriately then it is their own fault

This seems such a logical thing to do.

Limit the video ref's involvement otherwise.

 

[Card Shark]

Earlier in the game the video ref interjected himself and overruled a drop out to us despite not having conclusive evidence so why can they not interject for an incorrect no try decision?

I believe they got that decision right but that is totally inconsistent with other parts of the same game.

There was 1 time I was commenting to my mate that the Roosters could've been given the video ref's decision change but were not. As much as we were going for the Panthers, we were both questioning the inconsistency!

 

[forby]

This is even up for debate, it was a clear try and yet again we are on the wrong side of crap refereeing. I don?t blame the ref for calling no try as it didn?t look good at first but why not go to the video? I have seen blatant no tries go to the video before just be sure and/or to determine the correct restart method and we can?t go to the video in a semi final?

Earlier in the game the video ref interjected himself and overruled a drop out to us despite not having conclusive evidence so why can they not interject for an incorrect no try decision?

For every decision you feel went against the Roosters I can give you one that went against the Panthers. Moylan tackled in the air before he could attempt a catch, DWZ stripped of the ball by SBW and ruled knock on, Maloney's illegal conversion, etc.
You weren't robbed. Be a man and just accept you got beat fair and square!

 

[dragonsrule10]

I had a question about the rule where a player can't take a kick at goal if he wasn't on the field when the try was scored. I read through the rule and I couldn't manage to find a mention of that rule in it, so it is an NRL rule or does it apply to all grades of footy?

 

[thorson1987]

I had a question about the rule where a player can't take a kick at goal if he wasn't on the field when the try was scored. I read through the rule and I couldn't manage to find a mention of that rule in it, so it is an NRL rule or does it apply to all grades of footy?

All grades of footy.

 

[dragonsrule10]

All grades of footy.

Any chance of knowing which section it's in the rule book?

 

[Bronco Rob]

Just get captains challenge in already and if the captains don't use their challenge's appropriately then it is their own fault

These are my thoughts as well.

Am I missing a thread or something? How is there not any contention about the STORM NO-TRY!!!! As a neutral this made my blood absolutely boil, it was one of the best tries scored all year and instead of using common sense the video ref tries his hardest to find something wrong and really it was a wrong decision. I have never felt so infuriated with a video ref, he killed the game for me after this and I'm sure many others as well and rather than be upbeat about an incredible try many Storm supporters would have left the game feeling despondent with Rugby League.

It's an absolute disgrace how we've let the game get to this point, Archer has let things get out of hand and all we need to fix the refereeing up is the following:

• Instruct referees to only blow a penalty if it affects the flow of play, don't look to blow penalties for the sake of it,
• Employ a video ref for simply the put down and if there's a slight separation but it looks like a try in real time, it's a bloody try,
• Bring in the captain's challenge to stop all the nonsense of wasting time packing scrums or laying down in the play the ball and to reduce unnecessary use of the video ref.
• Employ referees who have a basic understanding of physics, if a player is travelling at speed and he passes backwards the ball will still go forward,
• Referees and touch judges learn that flat balls are not forward and know learn a knock-on is when the ball is propelled towards a player's try-line and know it's not dropped ball rules.
• 5 minute sin bin for all incidents put on report as the only team that is rewarded is the team they play next week,
• 5 minute bin for repeated infringements on their own try-line,
• and Around the legs one on one tackles are made to be dominant and the tackler is allowed to work his way round to marker, this will cut a lot of wrestling out and will see this old-fashioned RL artform brought back!

My 2c anyway.

 

[Y2Eel]

Watching Panthers and Warriors game think how much better the refs were back then..

Bring back Tim Mander

 

[Danish]

For every decision you feel went against the Roosters I can give you one that went against the Panthers. Moylan tackled in the air before he could attempt a catch, DWZ stripped of the ball by SBW and ruled knock on, Maloney's illegal conversion, etc.
You weren't robbed. Be a man and just accept you got beat fair and square!

The rule is when the try is awarded. Maloney subbed on prior to the video ref awarding the try so was fine to take the kick.

 

[Card Shark]

Employ referees who have a basic understanding of physics, if a player is travelling at speed and he passes backwards the ball will still go forward,
Referees and touch judges learn that flat balls are not forward and know learn a knock-on is when the ball is propelled towards a player's try-line and know it's not dropped ball rules.

I agree with most of what you say but using basic physics (& being devil's advocate ;-) ), a pass thrown backwards to a man who drops the ball behind him, is actually propelling the ball in a forward direction relative to the direction / speed at which it was travelling when it touched him. i.e. if he slows it down in a backwards direction, he must've propelled it forward to do that.

Not saying they are all knock ons but technically they are. Not sure if that is in the rule book as some refs call knock on no matter what - total lack of common sense some times.

 

[Card Shark]

The rule is when the try is awarded. Maloney subbed on prior to the video ref awarding the try so was fine to take the kick.

Lucky channel 9 had a few looks to give him time ;-)

 

[Tommy Smith]

The kick was beside the posts and Jackson Hastings is an excellent goal kicker.

Talk about an overreaction.

 

[TheFrog]

These are my thoughts as well.

Am I missing a thread or something? How is there not any contention about the STORM NO-TRY!!!!

It was a knock on, Rob. As clear as the nose on your face.

 

[TheFrog]

This is even up for debate, it was a clear try and yet again we are on the wrong side of crap refereeing. I don’t blame the ref for calling no try as it didn’t look good at first but why not go to the video? I have seen blatant no tries go to the video before just be sure and/or to determine the correct restart method and we can’t go to the video in a semi final?

Earlier in the game the video ref interjected himself and overruled a drop out to us despite not having conclusive evidence so why can they not interject for an incorrect no try decision?

The hand carrying the ball just brushed a blade of grass, or it appeared that way to the ref. It looks too close to call otherwise on the replay. He called held. The defending side commenced getting into position for the play the ball. I'm sure with the ref saying no try the video ref would have agreed.

The ref knows when he called held. It won't show on a video. In this sort of a situation it is necessary for the ref to make a ruling, and he is in a perfect position to do so, as his call is the determining factor.

It was a bit like the try we were disallowed without a replay against the Sharks. It was batted in similar to the final try on Saturday, but the linesman put his flag up. Once the linesman put his flag up, it was out and the defence stops trying to defend. Once the ref calls held, it is held whether you or anyone else thinks the arm touched the grass or not.

By the way,while on the subject of crap refereeing you got two gold plated scoring opportunities you were not entitled to in this game which I described earlier. I agree the refereeing was poor at times but it certainly went both ways. Your side lost because you didn't respect the opposition.

 

[Valheru]

The hand carrying the ball just brushed a blade of grass, or it appeared that way to the ref. It looks too close to call otherwise on the replay. He called held. The defending side commenced getting into position for the play the ball. I'm sure with the ref saying no try the video ref would have agreed.
The ref knows when he called held. It won't show on a video. In this sort of a situation it is necessary for the ref to make a ruling, and he is in a perfect position to do so, as his call is the determining factor.
It was a bit like the try we were disallowed without a replay against the Sharks. It was batted in similar to the final try on Saturday, but the linesman put his flag up. Once the linesman put his flag up, it was out and the defence stops trying to defend. Once the ref calls held, it is held whether you or anyone else thinks the arm touched the grass or not.
By the way,while on the subject of crap refereeing you got two gold plated scoring opportunities you were not entitled to in this game which I described earlier. I agree the refereeing was poor at times but it certainly went both ways. Your side lost because you didn't respect the opposition.

The hand didn?t touch the ground and the ref didn?t call held. He as clear as day signalled it was a double movement due to the elbow hitting the ground. Your players went back to the line to defend because they thought he was held of their own accord, nothing to do with the ref.

As I said earlier I don?t blame the ref for having an opinion of no try but why didn?t he go to the video and why can?t the video ref step in regardless just like he did earlier in the game to reverse a dropout. I didn?t see your disallowed try against the sharks but from what you say it is the same situation, everything gets sent to the video ref these days so why not those 2 incidents?

The only ref decision you have to complain about is the SBW strip/knock out. Anyways it?s over now so enjoy the week off.

 

[bottle]

Should have been a try if held wasn't called. Was an error on the part of Maxwell.
Just like when Moylan was taken out by a defender, in the air, contesting a bomb yet no penalty received.
Rorters lost. Alls well that ends well.