Referee for Final?

[deluded pom?]

The only way to perminatly solve any of this is for all rulings and all interpretations at every level of senior Rugby League, world wide, to be identical, and with Rugby League, that will never ever happen as alot of calls are not black and white.

Then why not just bite the bullet and have a SLE ref when the 4N is in the NH and a NRL ref when it's in the SH. Hopefully we can get a Kiwi ref into the NRL and then both criteria i.e a ref who controls a game at a high enough standard and a ref who is neutral from a nationality standpoint, can be met.

 

[nadera78]

The ARL have been outsmarted by the RFL. Right at the start of this comp the RFL said they wanted neutral refs for all games, it was the ARL who blocked that for the England - Australia game, so the RFL went with Ganson. The ARL obviously thought that they could then use that to force Hayne as the ref for the final, but the RFLrefused to back down and we've ended up with a neutral ref, which is exactly what they wanted at the start.

 

[West Country Eagle]

The ARL have been outsmarted by the RFL. Right at the start of this comp the RFL said they wanted neutral refs for all games, it was the ARL who blocked that for the England - Australia game, so the RFL went with Ganson. The ARL obviously thought that they could then use that to force Hayne as the ref for the final, but the RFLrefused to back down and we've ended up with a neutral ref, which is exactly what they wanted at the start.

And thank God for that.

The majority of ref whining has come from Geoff Carr and Tim Sheens. Steve McNamara (England assistant coach) said they didn't mind either way.

Personally I just hope Williamson will penalise the Aussies for holding down and high shots. They were terrible in this regard in the first game. We always here how the PTB is very slow in Super League, but in EVERY Pom-Aus game I have ever seen the Aussies were as bad as the Brits for messing. Ganson, for all his faults (and he is useless generally) at least had the balls to penalise Australia a couple of weeks ago.

He also penalised the hell out of New Zealand in their game with Australia, especially in the first half.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Then why not just bite the bullet and have a SLE ref when the 4N is in the NH and a NRL ref when it's in the SH. Hopefully we can get a Kiwi ref into the NRL and then both criteria i.e a ref who controls a game at a high enough standard and a ref who is neutral from a nationality standpoint, can be met.

It would solve a fair bit of arguing. But im quite happy with just going with neutral referees. At the moment, Australia (and in cases NZ) are suffering from the interpretations of the SL refs, next year England may be in a similar situation. All sports go throguh this, its just tough, deal with it and move on. A champion team will win even against the ref.

 

[deluded pom?]

It would solve a fair bit of arguing. But im quite happy with just going with neutral referees. At the moment, Australia (and in cases NZ) are suffering from the interpretations of the SL refs, next year England may be in a similar situation. All sports go throguh this, its just tough, deal with it and move on. A champion team will win even against the ref.

As has already been pointed out there are two set of interpretations of RL rules. SLE and NRL interpretations, so someone will be on the wong end of the calls if we want to go with neutral refs. If we get an all SH or an all NH final then do we automatically go with one of the refs from the same hemisphere or do we go with the opposite hemisphere neutral ref?

 

[roughyedspud]

. We always here how the PTB is very slow in Super League,

thats only happened in the last year/18months..prior to that it was as quick as it is in the NRL now...but then again you need 2 refs to speed it up

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

thats only happened in the last year/18months..prior to that it was as quick as it is in the NRL now...but then again you need 2 refs to speed it up

To speed it up because the wrestling tactics used to slow it down were becoming farcial.

Slowing the play the ball is to combat the line speed of the defence and to gain quick dummy half runs, something that England has struggled with for years.

 

[Mr Angry]

The kiwi will do.

No excuses now.

 

[Pierced Soul]

im just happy ganson didnt get it. i dont care if they had given it to another SL ref -ganson's just proved he's useless

 

[Coastbloke]

The kiwi will do.

No excuses now.

:lol:

 

[Archangel2]

NZ Ref....well at a proffessional level(b4 the game) we dont like either team that much so maybe you both get hammered lol...In any case shapin up to be a cracka of a final, and at least you aint got the froggie...man his decisions in the Kiwi French game(for both sides) were shockin to say the least.

The kiwi has reffed reserve NRL and will no doubt be helped by his sideline, which begs the question who is doin the sideline, and for that matter(more importantly considering how much they are used these dayz) the Video Ref?

 

[Medievalknight]

T who is doin the sideline, and for that matter(more importantly considering how much they are used these dayz) the Video Ref?

Shayne Hayne and some pommy dude apparently in video refs box

 

[roughyedspud]

no..phil bentham is the offical video ref...shayne hayne will act as "video referee observer" following a request by Australia

http://www.sportinglife.com/rugbyle...gue/09/11/11/RUGBYL_Four_Nations_Referee.html

 

[ozbash]

shayne hayne will act as "video referee observer" following a request by Australia

good grief, the playing field is never level when the Roos are involved.

 

[morgan123]

Which begs the question of just what a 'video referee observer' actually does?

From the title one would assume it means he is put there as a representative of the Australian side to ensure that the official video referee is not being biased or incompetent.

Which then begs the question of why Australia wanted Hayne in the first place? If his presence is required to ensure Australia are looked after, how could they suggest he referee the game?

Now I don't believe it will be close enough for the referee to matter that much but again Australia are going outside of the rules and refusing to play with the officially nominated officials. They need taking down a peg or two and the playing field needs to be levelled. We've got a situation where the NRL changes its interpretations and refereeing techniques every season and the RFL try to copy them, always being a year or two behind. Why can't they get round a table and define a single set of rules and standardise the officiating? Each competition (NRL and SL) should be FORCED to accept the responsibility for developing two overseas match officials. The logical thing would be for SL to develop two French referees and for the NRL to bring on a NZ'er or Pacific islander. That way games in the Northern hemisphere could be refereed by the French ref for games involving England and an English ref for games not inolving England. Games in the Southern hemisphere could be refereed by a Kiwi for games involving Australia and an Aussie for those not. They should also double the requirement if they are going with the two referees idea as the standard method.

The current scenario of the Roos paddying until the toys, the dummy and the baby have come out of the pram and they get their way HAS to stop.