Referee snapshot

[spirit of league]

I will go as far as saying now, that we would have won that match with a better ref.
To be even in the hunt with poession finishing at 60/40 (but most of the match was 70/30) was quite amazing.

that's a hard call to make (and sadly we'll never get the chance to find out for sure) but watching the game again it seems a distinct possibility if not probability. not to say that obviously we could have played much better but it's freakin' tough when the ref is so blatantly farked.

 

[fatshark]

Noticed the grapple tackle was being used again.

 

[Jonotallica]

Good recap blacktip, that's pretty much how I saw all of it.

The only thing you missed I think, was the first clearing kick Noddy made in the opening minutes of the game, where Orford was blatantly offside (according to the callers) and no penalty.

I still can't believe how reluctant Mander was to give the Sharks penalties in good field position. It was like he gave the Storm every possible chance in the world to avoid the penalty but at the other end, was only to happy to blow his whistle against the boys in blue. And don't get me started about the officiating of the ruck.

 

[The Popper]

We have problems with Mander. His style continues to give the impression that his main aim is to antagonise the fans and/or persecute the Sharks.
IMO he is not a top ref. A much better one IMO, Matt Cecchin, was running the line. What a waste.

 

[RICHO]

Cecchin is a Nazi though.

 

[Macca]

I am apologise for this response as I know it won't be read by who it is aimed at anyway but does anyone else find this thread a little silly.

Reefy says that he doesn't blame the ref for the loss then lists all the reasons the ref lost us the game.

"We would have won with a better ref."

That just tops it off.

Don't read into this, I am not having a swipe, it just seems very odd. I think that if you want to blame the ref, you shouldn't hide it.

 

[pogo]

re nutley and isemonger

nutley IS the most overated forward ( only by sharks supporters) in the competition, if you guys seriosly think we can challenge the top sides in this competition in the end of season games with nutley at prop forward you are delusional.

as i continually say his effort cannot be criticised but wake up boys he is simply not big enough, strong enough or fast enough to do any damage whatsoever.

sims/ryles/webcke/civoniceva/omeley/price/perry/rauhihi/clinton/ross/cayless
morley/villasanti and luke bailey all are his competition..and they all are clearly superior.

not to mention his penchant for dumb, no the dumbest of penalties and his propensity to argue with the referee, the bloke is dead set useless.

isemonger......copped continual bagging here in the early part of the year then played a few fair games, he defends well but may as well sit on the sideliine when we have the ball, sure he has a couple of knee operations and is a local junior so what.

he drops the ball cold each week and is average at best.

do you think it is just a coincidence that the top sides in the league have OUTSTANDING players, no boys its good man management and the ability to find the player and keep him and easts are specialists at this, hence their ongoing competitiveness.

live in a dream world and continue to believe these blokes will get you across the line or wake up to reality and look at the competition!

as peter peters often says you dont win wars with water pistols!!!!

 

[sharknows]

Thanks Reefy for that great summary. I was at the game and along with everyone in the vicinity was disgusted at that blatantly biased refereeing performance. What made it worse is that no commentators have mentioned the ref's performance but have simply labelled it as an undisciplined display from the sharks. It is very very disappointing that in such a crucial game we can be crucified once again by Mander.. IMO he he definitely has a vendetta against the sharks.

 

[Mako]

nutley IS the most overated forward ( only by sharks supporters) in the competition, if you guys seriosly think we can challenge the top sides in this competition in the end of season games with nutley at prop forward you are delusional.

as i continually say his effort cannot be criticised but wake up boys he is simply not big enough, strong enough or fast enough to do any damage whatsoever.

sims/ryles/webcke/civoniceva/omeley/price/perry/rauhihi/clinton/ross/cayless
morley/villasanti and luke bailey all are his competition..and they all are clearly superior.

not to mention his penchant for dumb, no the dumbest of penalties and his propensity to argue with the referee, the bloke is dead set useless.

Marvellous piece of rhetoric - now can we have some hard facts to back this up? Perhaps some comparitive stats, maybe some figures on his penalty count compared to other props?

isemonger......copped continual bagging here in the early part of the year then played a few fair games, he defends well but may as well sit on the sideliine when we have the ball, sure he has a couple of knee operations and is a local junior so what.

he drops the ball cold each week and is average at best.

I appreciate your opinion but his error rate is .6 errors per game - this does not equate to "he drops the ball cold each week". Perhaps you have some facts that will make your assertion clearer?

(BTW I am pleased you give him credit for his great defence, despite his poor missed tack rate. Mind you it is better than a lot of other in NRL and when he is hitting them they stay hit!)

do you think it is just a coincidence that the top sides in the league have OUTSTANDING players, no boys its good man management and the ability to find the player and keep him and easts are specialists at this, hence their ongoing competitiveness.

live in a dream world and continue to believe these blokes will get you across the line or wake up to reality and look at the competition!

as peter peters often says you dont win wars with water pistols!!!!

And you do not lose games on the back of a single player. You want to attack a couple of individuals, you present no facts just opinions. I have no problem with you having your opinion but state is as just your opinion and admit you have no facts to back it up - or back it up!

If you want to argue the problem is the Club, its management and methods then put your case for that with facts. BTR has put his case forward on the ref and the coach and I might not entirely agree with him but at least he has mounted some some sort of case for his opinion.

Put a case or put a sock in it for gods sake!

(could not be bothered checking this so if my spelling sux or my english is poor feel free have a dig at me - at least there might be some fact in that :lol: )

 

[pogo]

as i have always said mako the beauty of the forum is everyone has differiing opinions and all are entitled to them.

you obviously belkieve that nutley and isemonger can lead us to the end of season games ..i dont!

if you think isemonger doesnt have a problem dropping the ball so be it......but i have seen it happen many times and heard the collective groans of the crowd!!!

the bottom line is that neither of these blokes are within coooeee of a rep jumper and you cant win big games without topline players.

maybe this is the mindset of the majority of sharks supporters.....near enough is good enough!!

 

[bull shark]

I'm with Reefy on this one. I don't want to blame the Ref for losing, but in this case it was a particularly poor performance, it's really hard not to.

A group of us were watching it on Foxtel and it seemed to us that he was so determined not to get swayed by the crowd, that he just ignored anything that favoured the Sharks. You could hear his voice through the mike and he seemed really strident all the time, as though he didn't really have much confidence but he was trying to pretend that he was "in control".

And he just wouldn't listen. Like when Bailey had a go at Geyer at the Vagana try, Mander thought he was having a go at the touchie and he just wouldn't hear any different.

Watch a game reffed by young Jason Robinson - he has such a calm about him that the players just get on with the game.

Just BTW: does anyone know if the Sharks are going to lodge an official complaint? Did Stuey make any reference at all to Mander in the post-match thing?

 

[millersnose]

nutley has brain explosions that concede penalties - a good many of these penalties are silly - that flop hurt us at a crucial part of the game and was always going to be a penalty


his high tackle count masks his high mistackle count

although i agree to an extent with you pogo it still remains i dont think we have a better alternative at the moment


isemonger i like - it is true he drops the ball too much - but i think if they work on this skill he can be a reasonable first grade forward

 

[King of the Hill]

Did Stuey make any reference at all to Mander in the post-match thing?

He said while Mander "hardly helped", the players were ultimately to blame

As for Nutley, he's long given away too many penalties and no one has really done anything about it. It's a coaching issue as much as a Nutley issue.

 

[pogo]

although i agree to an extent with you pogo it still remains i dont think we have a better alternative at the moment


and therein lies the problem................

we wont win a comp with reasonable first grade forwards as you say isemonger may develope in to.....

when cronulla bite the bullet and offload the likes of nutley and isemonger and buy some real forwards then we may achieve the success we all crave.

until then 2005 will be the same old...

 

[King of the Hill]

buy some real forwards then we may achieve the success we all crave.

ever heard of the salary cap?
and what about stevens, bailey, hilder and sullivan

every club (except the roosters) have fringe forwards who arent superstars

and ffs, learn to use the quote function properly
while it isnt hard to separate millers' opinions from your drivel, it would probably be hard if you were quoting, or at least attempting to quote, one of the dribblers

 

[pogo]

come on shire nark........are you serious that we only have 4 forwards that we can pay and fit under the cap???

hallf a game sulllivan??? are we paying a squillion for him???

forget your pet hate the roosters, what about st george and penrith?? their forwards blow us off the park..

and how much more footy is in stevo???

heaven help next year if stevo is injured and we lose a few others you only had to be at shark park when the cowboys absolutely pantsed us to realise that we are rooted for strike forwards!

 

[millersnose]

this is a scary thing indeed

stevens does carry the forward pack and an injury to him would be a disaster

 

[PHaTMaN]

I agree that Nutley is overrated. I think he should be used as an impact forward off the bench. Problem is we dont have any-one else who I think should be starting for him. I really think we should have bought another big-bopper of a front rower for next year. Maybe we could try Lomu there? I dunno. Nutley gives away too many silly penalties and often does not seem to make a great deal of yards with his hit ups, I think he is too small.
It scares me also to think how we would go if Stevo got a long-term injury next yr.

 

[Macca]

I hope this Luke Harlen, Jon Green or one of the others comes on, otherwise Pogo has highlighted a very worrying lack of quality depth in the front row.

 

[millersnose]

otherwise Pogo has highlighted a very worrying lack of uality depth in the front row.

gee i am not sure pogo will be all that happy with that big target you just painted on his forhead :lol: