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Refereeing inconsistencies

Dragon David

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Surely the Tigers will have a go at Annersley on this. But you know what, the game is over and the two points have been given to the Cowboys so they stay in second spot and no use crying over spilt milk.

We just have to turn up now and I'm sure the Tigers supporters will be cheering us on to get a last minute win.
 
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Willow

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Trifili13 said:
Imagine losing the GF on that call?
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Number of the Beath said:
What - like in 1999?

(Or 1996?)
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I'm told 1946 was worse and more blatant than 1996 and 1999 combined.
The referee George Bishop's career as a player and adjudicator was riotous, to say the least.

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Willow said:
I'm told 1946 was worse and more blatant than 1996 and 1999 combined.
The referee George Bishop's career as a player and adjudicator was riotous, to say the least.

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Could be. Sounds pretty wild! BTW, we lost 13-12. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_...w South Wales,George in the premiership final.

In spite of St George’s status as minor premiers, Balmain were Grand Final favourites due to their comprehensive routing of the Dragons in the first semi-final. Ultimately though the decider, played on Saturday 14 September, was a closely fought contest.[2]

A series of dubious decisions by referee George Bishop gave Balmain an advantage. There was a disallowed try to St George and two Balmain tries which came off what appeared to be forward passes, one when Balmain’s Joe Jorgenson scored after receiving a ball that seemed to have been propelled at least a yard forward.

The Dragons came close to victory when late in the game Jack Lindwall scored in the corner but his brother, prospective Test bowler, Ray Lindwall was unable to convert it. Lindwall in fact missed all four conversion attempts on the day.

The Tigers had won seven straight victories to take the premiership.

Tensions of the encounter overflowed after full-time and the match concluded on an ugly note when Saints forward, Jim Hale went toe to toe with Balmain hooker, Herb Gilbert, Jr, himself a former Dragon. Hale was then attacked by a spectator and an all-in brawl followed.[3]

Although I'm sure some Wests supporters claim the 1963 GF was rigged, but I like this balanced view:

The 1963 Grand Final Controversy -<br /> time to put it to rest » League Unlimited

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dannyt said:
Could be. Sounds pretty wild! BTW, we lost 13-12. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1946_...w South Wales,George in the premiership final.

In spite of St George’s status as minor premiers, Balmain were Grand Final favourites due to their comprehensive routing of the Dragons in the first semi-final. Ultimately though the decider, played on Saturday 14 September, was a closely fought contest.[2]

A series of dubious decisions by referee George Bishop gave Balmain an advantage. There was a disallowed try to St George and two Balmain tries which came off what appeared to be forward passes, one when Balmain’s Joe Jorgenson scored after receiving a ball that seemed to have been propelled at least a yard forward.

The Dragons came close to victory when late in the game Jack Lindwall scored in the corner but his brother, prospective Test bowler, Ray Lindwall was unable to convert it. Lindwall in fact missed all four conversion attempts on the day.

The Tigers had won seven straight victories to take the premiership.

Tensions of the encounter overflowed after full-time and the match concluded on an ugly note when Saints forward, Jim Hale went toe to toe with Balmain hooker, Herb Gilbert, Jr, himself a former Dragon. Hale was then attacked by a spectator and an all-in brawl followed.[3]

Although I'm sure some Wests supporters claim the 1963 GF was rigged, but I like this balanced view:

The 1963 Grand Final Controversy -<br /> time to put it to rest » League Unlimited

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Very balanced view from a smart fella. 😉
The ref actually signalled play on. Wests' hooker Noel Kelly claimed otherwise but the signal from the ref doesn't support his view.

As far as controversy goes, the 1963 Grand Final is pretty low end imo.

It only became a big talking point because Wests kicked up such a fuss. Noel Kelly squealed about it to the press - and he was still whinging about it in 2013. You'd think Wests were the only team doing it tough in the conditions.

Kelly insists the ref had a bet on St George (no evidence to support this, just hearsay).

But the actual reason why he was upset is hinted at in the article you linked to Danny.

Wests just lost their third Grand Final in a row. All that player recruitment and financial investment amounting to zilch. It must have cut deep. Wests went all out to buy a premiership only to be thwarted by St George.

So the real reason for the controversy lies in the salty tears of Noel Kelly, and this got carried on by the Wests Club and their fans. Basically, a bunch of sore losers.
 
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So, having a look at the replay again several times, I believe the Tigers player did not go straight to the ball and came in a bit and took Kyle Feldt out (who did his absolute best to let the ref know he had been taken out). however, under the current rules, a challenge can only be taken if there is a stop in play. The bunker is not permitted to step in and let the ref know there might be an incorrect call made by the ref. In conclusion, I think it was a penalty (that tigers player made a bone head play) but the bunker is not allowed to step in. Therefore, the Tigers got dudded. If it can happen to the tigers, you can bet your house that it can happen (and has happened before) to the lesser teams in the comp like us. The corrupt officials need to be stamped out of the game. I have no problem for the bunker to step in on an incorrect rule made by the ref. But this has to apply to all games, not just when the officials pick and choose. Rant over.
 
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Willow said:
Very balanced view from a smart fella. 😉
The ref actually signalled play on. Wests' hooker Noel Kelly claimed otherwise but the signal from the ref doesn't support his view.

As far as controversy goes, the 1963 Grand Final is pretty low end imo.

It only became a big talking point because Wests kicked up such a fuss. Noel Kelly squealed about it to the press - and he was still whinging about it in 2013. You'd think Wests were the only team doing it tough in the conditions.

Kelly insists the ref had a bet on St George (no evidence to support this, just hearsay).

But the actual reason why he was upset is hinted at in the article you linked to Danny.

Wests just lost their third Grand Final in a row. All that player recruitment and financial investment amounting to zilch. It must have cut deep. Wests went all out to buy a premiership only to be thwarted by St George.

So the real reason for the controversy lies in the salty tears of Noel Kelly, and this got carried on by the Wests Club and their fans. Basically, a bunch of sore losers.
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LOL- I should've known you wrote the article!!!
 
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Oh well, now it is Cowboys turn for payback for that BS decision. They play the Dragons next week.
We should get the rub of green next week but not holding my breath :)
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I'd like to agree but it will pan out this way :
1. Annesley gives a non-sensical explanation for the decision.
2. Wests Tigers will threaten legal action.
3. V'landys will step in & make a monetary peace offering (from the payout he got on Sportsbet for the Cowboys win).
4. Klein will get our game this weekend (as punishment).
5. A month long NRL inquiry will then admit the decision was wrong & they will change the rules to accommodate such gameplay in the future.
6. Wests Tigers will be gifted a win against their Opponents the following weekend (28/8/22).
In summary , WE will be made examples of for the NRL's incompetence.
 
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Smacka said:
I'd like to agree but it will pan out this way :
1. Annesley gives a non-sensical explanation for the decision.
2. Wests Tigers will threaten legal action.
3. V'landys will step in & make a monetary peace offering (from the payout he got on Sportsbet for the Cowboys win).
4. Klein will get our game this weekend (as punishment).
5. A month long NRL inquiry will then admit the decision was wrong & they will change the rules to accommodate such gameplay in the future.
6. Wests Tigers will be gifted a win against their Opponents the following weekend (28/8/22).
In summary , WE will be made examples of for the NRL's incompetence.
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Nailed it
 
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@Willow- from memory, the betting allegations began with Jack Gibson. He played for Wests that year, and was known to be friendly with some of the more colourful Sydney characters of the day, as well as dabbling as an SP-bookie. The story goes he came into the sheds on GF day and announced to the Wests team that playing was useless as "the fix was on".

Now, if true, this story opens up some intriguing possibilities. The obvious one is the ref was paid off and a travesty of justice was performed by St George winning. Another is you could stand to benefit if you played for Wests and lost.
 
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dannyt said:
@Willow- from memory, the betting allegations began with Jack Gibson. He played for Wests that year, and was known to be friendly with some of the more colourful Sydney characters of the day, as well as dabbling as an SP-bookie. The story goes he came into the sheds on GF day and announced to the Wests team that playing was useless as "the fix was on".

Now, if true, this story opens up some intriguing possibilities. The obvious one is the ref was paid off and a travesty of justice was performed by St George winning. Another is you could stand to benefit if you played for Wests and lost.
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Yes, Although there's more then one version of Jack Gibson's involvement. Some say he went into the dressing room before kick off and said Darcy Lawler had placed a bet and the plunge was on. It was supposed to fire up Noel Kelly. Another story was that Gibson told the players well beforehand and also went through Club channels - he told Club Secretary Bill Beaver who in turn told the NSWRL, but nothing happened.

Claims of a cover up followed. If there was a cover up, it must have been a ripper because no one outside of a few Wests players claimed to know anything about it. No investigation took place. No demands for an investigation was sought by Wests. No evidence ever produced. And yet, Lawler has stood accused of corrupt behaviour. And his initial accuser, Jack Gibson had associations with illegal bookies in Sydney's colourful underbelly - Your Honour, I ask the question, was Jack a reliable witness?

The person to ask would have been Darcy Lawler. He once referred to claims against his character as "filthy allegations", but refs generally didn't comment on individual games. Years later, Larry Writer (or Ian Heads) set up an interview with Lawler who agreed to 'clear the air'. Unfortunately, Lawler died just before that interview was to take place.
 
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So the the dumb arse response from Annersley to the gross error from the ref & Klein will now open a complete can of worms
1. Captains challenges now legal before a ref makes a decision.
2. The timing of a captains challenge no longer governed by the 10 second rule.
3. Full time is no longer full time.
4. Blatant milking and ref harassment will be rewarded by the bunker.
 
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Old Timer said:
So the the dumb arse response from Annersley to the gross error from the ref & Klein will now open a complete can of worms
1. Captains challenges now legal before a ref makes a decision.
2. The timing of a captains challenge no longer governed by the 10 second rule.
3. Full time is no longer full time.
4. Blatant milking and ref harassment will be rewarded by the bunker.
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Have you read something, or just pre-empting Annesley's response?
 
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