Refereeing inconsistencies

[Dragon David]

Watched Annessley’s presser yesterday. His previous experience as a politician, not former referee, played out very well.

To save face he calls the challenge acceptable under the rules, but the decision by the video ref wrong.

What he has done now is open up a Pandora’s box. It now means that at the last tackle of each game is a stop in play that allows the captain to make a challenge request, assuming they still have one. Where we we have games with 6 points between teams, we will now have challenges for the sake of challenges.
Scenario 1
Team with ball and 6 or less points behind will challenge that on the final tackle, the defending team were offside. As long as they give a reason the bunker must look at everything. Bunker identifies marker not square and not the offside (reason for challenge) as happened to dragons on Friday night with Garrick in touch challenge. Result penalty.
Scenario 2
Team behind get a penalty to level/win game, same as Cowboys on Sunday. Holmes misses goal. Hence break in play. Ref hasn’t blown full time and Cows challenge. Challenge reason being the tigers players weren’t still during the kick, hence putting Holmes off. Under the letter of the law challenge should be upheld and Holmes gets another kick.
Scenario 3
Golden point. Team misses field goal. Break in play. Challenge players offside. We know refs put the whistle away during golden point. Bunker must rule penalty.
Scenario 4
Golden point. Team gets field goal. Losing team challenges as ref hasn’t blown full time yet. Challenge players impeded into getting to the kicker.

I’m sure there are more scenarios but the NRL have now painted themselves in a corner. What a f**king joke.

We can no longer celebrate tries in real time because the bunker has to sign off on them and now we don’t know the result at full time until the bunker reviews.

FFS give me my game back. Mr Vlandys get off your arse and intervene now before it’s too late.

Very well put Henry. I wonder if the NRL are aware of what this incident and the decision given will do to the game. I'm sure some coaches will be looking at applying the things you raised in their game plan.

 

[dannyt]

Very well put Henry. I wonder if the NRL are aware of what this incident and the decision given will do to the game. I'm sure some coaches will be looking at applying the things you raised in their game plan.

Coaches are always on top of any rule changes.

The current regime is tying their hardest to over-complicate what is, essentially, a very simple game.

 

[Old Timer]

Interesting that in the Tigpies fiasco the ref calls out “no escorts” just prior to the final kick off and what do they “find” but an escort.

So the ref highlights to the defensive team that he is actually on the look for something to penalise before play has recommenced.

Another general point of concern for me is how teams in possession put a player up beside the play the ball on the 5th tackle to act as a blocker as the defence players try to get through to the dummy half or the kicker.

Almost every time that “blocker” changes his position to impede the defence from getting clear access on his run.

Surely that is a clear escort yet never scrutinised or penalised nor are the instances where attacking teams have players deliberately coming back on side slowly standing in the defensive teams line and their attacking team mates run directly towards where they stand and then miraculously a hole appears for them to run through.

Sides clearly coached to cause obstructions and nothing done to stamp it out.

The game is made for those teams and coaches who best rort everything from salary cap to rules, deliberate cheating which includes blatant milking.

The game is being manipulated to bring out the worst in everything and everybody.

 

[dragon_around]

We always seem to get sin binned for shit other teams get away with. Even during the same game, the opposition can shoulder charge or hit late way worse and nothing.

 

[BLM01]

Spot on BLM01. The footage shows Doueihi deliberately try and wind the clock down, which he is entitled to do. He waits till the clock is stopped before he looks to commence his run up. Here is the big question for me. The clock did not restart when he started his run up but when he actually kicks the ball. I’m not sure what the rule is here but if the clock should have restarted when he commenced his run up the clock would have reached 80.00 minutes. Game over.

I will go one step further, the clock counted down after he striked the ball then when it hit the goal post and ref ruled no goal it was stopped at 79.59..lo and behold.. if all that took only 4 seconds.
So supposedly the clock does not restart until kick off again.
I know they changed rules around time wastage last 5 mins and stopping clock at certain times but it was not supposed to include an opposition team who used to rush bringing it out for a kickoff

They are definitely managing the game to ensure teams get a chance to fightback near the end of games (last 5 mins where possible) to produce one of those gripping final moments of a game to keep bums in seats and in loungerooms that lead into the shows afterwards

 

[SGMax]

Cowboys can't challenge a non ruling.
Ref didn't rule an escort so how can there be a challenge for one.
When the Cowboys said they wanted to challenge the escort, the ref should have said "what escort?".
If the ref knew there was an escort, he should have blown a penalty to begin with.
Besides, at the point of collision, the ball was about 40m in the air....how can they rule the line that the defense can run when the ball is so far up.

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Cowboys can't challenge a non ruling.
Ref didn't rule an escort so how can there be a challenge for one.
When the Cowboys said they wanted to challenge the escort, the ref should have said "what escort?".
If the ref knew there was an escort, he should have blown a penalty to begin with.
Besides, at the point of collision, the ball was about 40m in the air....how can they rule the line that the defense can run when the ball is so far up.

Yep. And now Annesley comes out and says the Cowboys had the right to challenge the play? So what the actual f**k is the rule? Different rules for different teams? The was the most blatant example of cheating to get the home team the win if I’ve ever seen one.

 

[Miller was a legend]

Yep. And now Annesley comes out and says the Cowboys had the right to challenge the play? So what the actual f**k is the rule? Different rules for different teams? The was the most blatant example of cheating to get the home team the win if I’ve ever seen one.

Even if they could rightfully challenge, the entire play is supposed to be reviewed. The kick off was illegal by the rules and should have been penalty to the Tigers

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Even if they could rightfully challenge, the entire play is supposed to be reviewed. The kick off was illegal by the rules and should have been penalty to the Tigers

Yep. I understand your point and I totally agree. But any idea if they are allowed to challenge? My understanding is you can’t challenge a no call. But old mate Annesley said the play could be challenged.

 

[OneEyedDragon]

Yep. I understand your point and I totally agree. But any idea if they are allowed to challenge? My understanding is you can’t challenge a no call. But old mate Annesley said the play could be challenged.

Annesly will do himself an injury if he keeps ducking and weaving so much trying to make up crap rubbish to paint the match officials as being in the right in all the obvious cases where they have clearly got it wrong. The bunker causes as many problems as it solves. Get rid of it, or at least scale back the number of situations it can interfere in. All it was introduced to help with was to fix the howler of a decision, not nitpick if a fingernail may have touched a ball.

 

[shiloh dc]

Alfred Smalley (Manly) absolutely clobbers Verrills in the head with a high shot 3 minutes into the game
Only a penalty. Clearly should have been 10 in the bin. Either the ref is blind or he is under instructions to keep it close. Joke!

 

[Dragonssupporter]

Alfred Smalley (Manly) absolutely clobbers Verrills in the head with a high shot 3 minutes into the game
Only a penalty. Clearly should have been 10 in the bin. Either the ref is blind or he is under instructions to keep it close. Joke!

If that had of been us, we'd have a player in the Bin straight away. Amazing how in Origin and tonight the rules are different.Refs were plainly told " dont make it a no contest by binning anyone from Manly". This must be part of being inclusive!!

 

[BLM01]

Alfred Smalley (Manly) absolutely clobbers Verrills in the head with a high shot 3 minutes into the game
Only a penalty. Clearly should have been 10 in the bin. Either the ref is blind or he is under instructions to keep it close. Joke!

Nail on head. It was origin rules tonight. Wrestle, slow ruck and up very quick especially 2nd half.
Manly had a couple of blatant shepherds that should of been penalised
Kearys forward pass call by the linesman was a joke as they got in the clear.
Made for good viewing with the crowd and the fake crowd roars in the background on Ch9 anyway.
Yes as we were told all night. Manly were up for this, brave and had a real dig and deserved a pat on the back without half their squad.
Anyway glad all that is over.

 

[Gareth67]

Agree the game appeared to be very well choreographed by both the NRL and the refs , but the beggars will make up for it come Sunday with our boys , no doubt about it .

 

[R&WTILLIDIE]

Alfred Smalley (Manly) absolutely clobbers Verrills in the head with a high shot 3 minutes into the game
Only a penalty. Clearly should have been 10 in the bin. Either the ref is blind or he is under instructions to keep it close. Joke!

Looked to me like the refs and Roosters took it easy on the Eagles last night. Imagine if Manly were clobbered by 50 last night? It just would’ve added to the embarrassment of the whole situation. This way, Manly looks like a team of brave players who took it to the Roosters against all odds.

 

[Gareth67]

JWH on report for his elbow to the head of the Manly player - yet another cheque for Uncle Nick to sign .

 

[dannyt]

JWH on report for his elbow to the head of the Manly player - yet another cheque for Uncle Nick to sign .

Nah- he just gives a whole bunch of signed, blank cheques at the start of the year for "incidental payments".

 

[kit66]

Why wasn't Collins cited by the review committee ? He went in head first to that tackle, high, dangerous as all get out. If the other player was the one knocked out Collins would be on report. I don't get the difference. I wonder how Finucane sees it.

 

[dannyt]

Why wasn't Collins cited by the review committee ? He went in head first to that tackle, high, dangerous as all get out. If the other player was the one knocked out Collins would be on report. I don't get the difference. I wonder how Finucane sees it.

You want the MRC to cite Collins for knocking himself out?

 

[Slippery Morris]

Not one but both Suttons are officiating the Dragons and the worst one is the field ref. They will be consistent and sin bin a Saints player or 2 that is for sure. It's going to be a very frustrating game this Sunday.