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doggzfan4lyf

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Rugby League Registered players: approx. 175,000

afl Registered players: approx 700,000.


dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/cracking-the-codes/story-e6frexx0-1225805176969

That cant be true can it?
 

Thomas

First Grade
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Rugby League Registered players: approx. 175,000

afl Registered players: approx 700,000.


dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/afl/cracking-the-codes/story-e6frexx0-1225805176969

That cant be true can it?


It depends if they are counting AusKick kids...which they probably are.

But yeah, more people play Aussie Rules than rugby league in Australia. Everyone knows that.
 

Thomas

First Grade
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I didn't read the article but f**k....looks like the "journalist" must have stopped thinking after writing the bit about AFL.

Soccer player numbers are a lot bigger than the others. In fact, soccer player numbers are probably larger than Aussie Rules, RL and RU combined.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theage.com.au/cgi-bin/co...?path=/articles/2008/07/11/1215658140139.html

How the AFL boosts its numbers to sell its game

Roy Masters
July 12, 2008

CONFIDENTIAL data on participation rates of junior players in greater Sydney has reflected a flawed and desperate mission by the AFL to lay a footprint in the city's west.

When paired with inflated crowd figures on the Gold Coast, the data shows the AFL's expansion plans to be a hall of mirrors.

Heavy use of contra advertising - part of the AFL's $780 million broadcasting deal - to generate a big crowd at Homebush Bay for the Swans versus Collingwood match mocks the claims by NRL chief executive David Gallop that AFL deserves its record TV revenue because it is the biggest game in town.

The AFL is involved in a furious game of catch-up following the proud but presumptuous boast earlier this year of chairman Mike Fitzpatrick to expand the AFL to 18 teams by 2012, including clubs in western Sydney and the on Gold Coast, in order to lift TV ratings and generate a $1 billion TV rights package when the current deal expires.

The AFL's own statistics reveal there are only slightly more juniors registered as players in Sydney's west than actually playing rugby league in the city's eastern suburbs, an NRL district maligned for its dependence on imported players.

The AFL counts children involved in Auskick clinics to justify its $60 million investment in Sydney and, even if the numbers participating in these school clinics are included, the data indicates the eight listed junior AFL clubs in Sydney's west need to amalgamate age groups to field teams.

Australian Rugby League development officers point out there are 9700 children involved in clinics these school holidays in the Kids to Kangaroos program yet none are counted because they are not registered players.

AFL figures for Sydney's west list 1010 players, including 359 Auskick players, while there are 936 registered rugby league players in Melbourne. Newcastle, included in AFL data as part of greater Sydney, has declining numbers of children playing AFL - and that includes the Auskick figures.

The AFL - which has paid North Melbourne $400,000 a game to play on the Gold Coast - is also capable of creative crowd counting. It reported an attendance of 9128 at Carrara Stadium for the recent North versus St Kilda match, yet Ticketek figures show only 3900 tickets were sold; 3000 were free and there were more than 2000 "add-ons".

Expansion plans have been tested by poor attendance at the venue - that crowd followed one of 6354; the Kangaroos' decision to reject it as their new "home" and this week's failure to sign the popular former Brisbane captain Michael Voss as coach.

A month-long marketing campaign and heavily reliance on contra advertising generated a crowd of almost 59,202 at ANZ Stadium on Saturday night for the Swans versus Collingwood match.

It was the AFL's big match of the year in Sydney outside the finals.

Going into the match, the Swans were averaging 38,000 at Homebush Bay after poor attendances for the West Coast and Essendon games, and even the lift from the Collingwood crowd still means the ANZ Stadium average is well below last year's 63,000.

The Homebush Bay attendance has been used by AFL flag wavers to justify a second Sydney team, pointing out the crowd was four times the number who turned up the next day to watch the Eels and Panthers at nearby Parramatta Stadium.

However, ignored in the passionate debate was the 78,751 who attended the deciding State of Origin match at Homebush Bay four days before the Parramatta game.

Petrol prices and interest rates are hurting families, and parents who can afford the $45 adult general admission to an Origin match may not be able to back up for NRL matches.

Nor does the price of drinks and fast food at stadiums make it easier.

Even young single wage earners who watched the Brisbane State of Origin match in Sydney pubs find it difficult to budget for club games.

Nine NRL games in Sydney during the Origin period drew crowds of less than 10,000, which suggests fans are hurting in the pocket, or won't watch matches minus the stars.

Comparing NRL and AFL crowds is a dangerous exercise, with one prominent Swans supporter saying, "You can't apply Melbourne metrics to the Sydney sporting market. The Kings have been the most successful club in NBL history, and played off in arguably the greatest final series of all time, yet there is not enough popular support in Sydney to resuscitate the brand."

Despite this, AFL cheer squads persist in ridiculing choice as a factor in Sydney, a city which has two rugby demographics.

Sydney's sporting options have created a fickleness which is reflected in the AFL's own figures.

The Swans have the highest churn rate in the AFL, that is, fans who don't renew their memberships. Each year, 22 per cent of members drop out, meaning there is a furious chase every year to find new members.

The Swans' Sydney membership of 19,000 is their lowest in a long time and falling. It is the lowest in the AFL and well below Melbourne's bottom - 28,000 for the Demons - a club which even the AFL considers a basket case.

Too much of the debate about AFL versus NRL relies on anecdotal evidence.

The Herald's sister paper, The Age, seized on a Fitz Files item last month, quoting a Sunday afternoon scene at Bondi's Ravesi's bar: the big screen was showing the Roosters but no one was watching until the Swans were switched on, and suddenly everyone was captivated.

The few rugby league fans present were forced to watch the Roosters versus Knights in a corner of the bar. Compare this with a report from an incensed reader of a scene at the Clovelly Hotel on Saturday night, the evening of the Swans versus Collingwood match. The fan insists the attention of bar patrons was split between the Wallabies-France Test and the Dragons-Knights game.

"One small box in the corner had the Swans on," he said. "No one was watching the AFL, or caring."

OK, the Clovelly Hotel is the de facto headquarters of the NRL, which explains the interest in the Dragons-Knights, and the eastern suburbs has always been a rugby union stronghold.

But one swallow doesn't make a summer or, in the case of the AFL's flight westward, one big crowd of Swans doesn't mean a successful winter.

The Clovelly and Ravesi's are as different as AFL and NRL. Ravesi's is a silvertail bar; the Clovelly is a sports pub.

There are only two plasma screens at Ravesi's, which subscribed to Fox Sports only a year ago.

The Clovelly has been a Shangri-la of TV screens for the sports nut since pay TV came to Australia.

Their owners understand their respective clienteles. After all, until a year ago, both venues were owned by the same businessmen.

On Saturday night, Ravesi's patrons were watching the Wallabies.

One Swans official says he has long refused to draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence of fans watching football in pubs.

"I've been to Sydney pubs in the eastern suburbs on a Saturday night where I would have been knocked out if I changed the channel to the Swans," he said.
CHILD'S PLAY

�¡ As many kids play rugby league in Melbourne as play AFL in Sydney's west.
�¡ AFL counts children involved in short-term Auskick clinics as official players.
�¡ There are only slightly more juniors playing AFL in Sydney's west than rugby league in the eastern suburbs.
�¡ The eight listed junior AFL clubs in Sydney's west need to amalgamate age groups to field teams.
�¡ Newcastle, included in AFL data as part of greater Sydney, has falling player numbers.
THE NUMBERS

Australian football junior participation rates for season 2007
Region Auskick Junior Youth Total
Central Coast 178 377 297 852
Illawarra 157 330 231 718
Newcastle 167 291 310 768
Sydney City 732 386 408 1526
Sydney North 794 1219 781 2794
Sydney South 265 377 303 945
Sydney South West 272 221 198 691
Sydney West 359 376 282 1017
Total 2924 3577 2810 9311
 

shear_joy9

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reminds me of that simpsons episode where that guy included all the animals from the pet cemetery on the electoral roll to get voted in
 

hutch

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700000 my a**e, they must include auskick and every person who has looked at a sherrin. soccer has by far the most participants, and rugby league has over 330000 now. if you included all the touch and oztag players we would have a hell of alot more.
 

Fein

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700000 my a**e, they must include auskick and every person who has looked at a sherrin. soccer has by far the most participants, and rugby league has over 330000 now. if you included all the touch and oztag players we would have a hell of alot more.

Exactly right.

What are the figures for Oztag and Touch?

Soccer could also claim Futsal and assumably indoor (if it isn't counted already).

It's not like the Victorianian's to claim something that isn't true, is it? :p
 

jargan83

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59,202 at ANZ Stadium on Saturday night for the Swans versus Collingwood match.

I bet the Swans don't factor in the fact that a large amount of the 59K people that turn up are travelling Collingwood supporters who missed out on seeing their team play because of the split round. Nor would the AFL admit it either. Collingwood Prop up alot of opposition attendences
 

elbusto

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knowing the AFL publicity machine it would seem to me they are trying to make it look like its all over red rover.

They are embarking on a process of destroying the morale of other codes in what is becoming a dirty war.

Thats what we are up against folks - lies and spin. And they excel at it.
 

elbusto

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I posted this in response to some moronic comments by AFL fans on this topic in the Tellie

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Buster of Hobart of Hobart Posted at 6:11 PM Today
Hey 'brett of sydney' (sic) - how can you make a 'full grown gum tree' out of a 'poppy'? Poking fun at League fans is not a good idea when you then make such a stupid statement! By the way big bold statements mean nothing. I have lived in an AFL state for decades and have heard all this tripe before. AFL fans are the most annoying braggsters on the sporting planet.And this has a lot to do with the minor status of their pathetic little sport and a corresponding inferiority complex. AFL has no future internationally. It is a piddle in the sporting ocean but that does not stop its supporters boring the rest of us silly with their ridiculous claims about its popularity and its playing numbers. AFL has nowhere to go.'
 

Big R

Juniors
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2008 AFL annual report (the latest)

700,000 comes from this...

290,590 participants in club competitions.
163,885 participants in the NAB AFL Auskick program.
209,773 participants in school competitions.
3890 participants in recreational football.
5928 participants in veterans€™ competitions
18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions.

Can't find the NRL annual report where they break down their 175,000 figure so it can be scrutinised???

Can anyone link it please? It would be good to compare.
 
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Fein

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2008 AFL annual report (the latest)

700,000 breakdown is this:

290,590 participants in club competitions.
163,885 participants in the NAB AFL Auskick program.
209,773 participants in school competitions.
3890 participants in recreational football.
5928 participants in veterans€™ competitions
18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions.

Can't find the NRL annual report where they break down their 300,000 figure so it can be scrutinised???

Can anyone link it please? It would be good to compare.

Speaking of scrutiny......how much "double dipping" is in these figures?
 

elbusto

Coach
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2008 AFL annual report (the latest)

700,000 breakdown is this:

290,590 participants in club competitions.
163,885 participants in the NAB AFL Auskick program.
209,773 participants in school competitions.
3890 participants in recreational football.
5928 participants in veterans€™ competitions
18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions.

Can't find the NRL annual report where they break down their 300,000 figure so it can be scrutinised???

Can anyone link it please? It would be good to compare.
Wow arent you a clever AFL troll dick????

DB of Melbourne Posted at 5:52 PM Today
hutch, you do realise that 330,000 figure for Rugby league does include school participation and the K2K program. You don't really believe there a 30,00 participants for Rugby League in Victoria do you. It is exactly what you accuse the AFL of doing, The real figures for the AFL can easily be found in their annual report on their website, 2008 being the latest, and the 700,000 breakdown is this. A breakdown of the 2008 participation segments reveals there were: ■■290,590 participants in club competitions. ■■163,885 participants in the NAB AFL Auskick program. ■■209,773 participants in school competitions. ■■3890 participants in recreational football. ■■5928 participants in veterans’ competitions. ■■18,986 participants in dedicated female competitions. Where's the breakdown for the NRL, You can't find them because they don't release them and put them up for scrutiny
 

elbusto

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Speaking of scrutiny......how much "double dipping" is in these figures?
Big R is an AFL troll.

Just because the AFL produces a stack of data apparently we all have to believe it!

The AFL is trying to play a game of bluff based on lies.

Here in Tassie AFL is very popular but its playing numbers are not growing anywhere except in AUSKICK programs. Big R and his idiot mates rely on lies to try and create a fake atmosphere of superiority.

This is all part of a game of deception which the media falls for because it needs stories in the quiet season and the AFL is providing them with plenty of them.

In the end a turd is a turd and AFL is still fumbleball no matter how much Big R and his mates try to tell us otherwise!
 

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