Rejoice in Hagan's pain!!!

[chinorocks]

Hagan tried his ass off to tear us apart. he let go Tahu and Kennedy and signed Richardson and Reynoldson. He picked nuffies like Lowrie, Tanner and Carmont time and time again despite years of sub par performances. The teams overall performance was worse almost every year he was in charge. He took a QLD team which has now one 3 years in a row and lost with them.

In 2001 he inherited a fantastic squad from a great coach, then got a great run with injuries so that all our best players we're fit at the business end. I'll take the side with 6 or 7 internationals including A Johns over a young Parra team with Jason Taylor at halfback.

Last year same thing, he scored a team chock full of quality players they stayed injury free and they had a good year. But one year on more or less the same squad is playing sh*thouse. I call this the Michael Hagan effect. The guy couldn't formulate a plan to walk to his toilet before he craps himself.

 

[Jobdog]

I can't understand why Newcastle fans have such an anti Hagan sentiment.

The guy coached us to a premiership. Whether or not he benefitted from the good work of the coaches preceeding him, is irrelevant.

His Grand Final game plan against the Eels was about as good as it gets, and with Andrew Johns following the plan to perfection, the Knights bought home the 2001 trophy against the odds.

Plain and simply, Hagan out coached Brian Smith to win in 2001. While Smith's mind games had the Eels wound up so tight, the Knights were confident, calm and relaxed - like their coach.

He might be too laid back, or too loyal to his players ( I personally don't see too much wrong with that by the way ), but he clearly can coach in the NRL.

Petty agendas against the guy comes across as big time lameness. While he was playing for a grand final spot last year, what were the Knights doing?

Typical of many Novocastrians. The tall poppy syndrome capital of Australia. To get enjoyment out of a former Knights player and premiership winning coach's sufferance is just about as dog act low as it gets. What sort of make up does one have to do that?

Surely you're not serious and this is an attempt to wind us up :shock:

But you have a look at both player rosters and Parramatta should be in the top four somewhere at this point in time. Somehow, this supposed great coach has them going a touch worse than us :crazy:

 

[Apey]

Karma, do you actually have any of the opinions you post in here, or is just to stir sh*t.

I am rejoicing in his pain. I couldn't give a sh*t about him

Maybe he's the sort of coach you bring in when you've already made it to the Grand Final :sarcasm:

 

[Karmawave]

No, I was actually deadly serious in this post. I've got no problem at all with people questioning Hagan and his coaching technique or issues at Parramatta. However...

Its truly pathetic that anyone can rejoice in the failure of another person and get personal enjoyment out of it. Whether it be in football, or any other area of life.

Obviously some massive character flaws in your make up.

 

[roopy]

Hagan is getting paid an outrageous amont of money to do a job most people would love to do.
We are not pokeing fun at a cripple - we are pokeing fun at a guy who is set for life by mucking around with footy.
He is a guilt free target - and deserves everything we can give him (and he can console himself with his millions and lifetime of makeing a living from a game).

 

[Karmawave]

Giving a mouthful to someone and letting them know what you think of them Roopy , is all well and good and Hagan is open to that. No dramas there.

Getting enjoyment or " rejoicing " in another humans pain, failure, or inability to succeed in order to feel better about yourself , well that's a different thing entirely.

 

[Apey]

No, I was actually deadly serious in this post. I've got no problem at all with people questioning Hagan and his coaching technique or issues at Parramatta. However...

Its truly pathetic that anyone can rejoice in the failure of another person and get personal enjoyment out of it. Whether it be in football, or any other area of life.

Obviously some massive character flaws in your make up.

Lol seeing as you know nothing about me I'll take your opinion with a grain of salt :lol:

Hagan failed at the Knights, people said he was a sh*t coach, now he's failing elsewhere. I can't help but smile. However, I will say this; the smile is more directed at Parra than him.

 

[Karmawave]

However, I will say this; the smile is more directed at Parra than him.

And that's the way it should be.

 

[NK Arsenal]

Michael Hagan is a fraud.

 

[Karmawave]

Yeah he is highly over-rated as a coach I agree.

100%.

Still doesn't give me some kinda pleasure seeing him fail :lol:

 

[BG]

I'll take the side with 6 or 7 internationals including A Johns over a young Parra team with Jason Taylor at halfback.

Nah, it was all Hages master game plan. Joey would never have taken it upon himself to aim Kennedy et al at Taylor. It was well-known just how highly he rated his opposite 7's defence. :sarcasm:

 

[Karmawave]

Well using that theory BG, Michael Hagan managing to take Parramatta within a game of the GF last year was just Brett Finch and Tim Smiths brilliance?

Anyone who has read Joey's book would know how highly Johns thinks of Hagan ( as a person and a coach ), and they remain tight to this day.

Point is, Hagans credibility as a coach, can be questioned all day every day. His job calls for that. People can abuse him and attack him and whatever else all they like. But the tall poppy attitude of sitting there and actually enjoying this, getting off on the misery of another person, is just lame :lol:

 

[Apey]

Well using that theory BG, Michael Hagan managing to take Parramatta within a game of the GF last year was just Brett Finch and Tim Smiths brilliance?

Anyone who has read Joey's book would know how highly Johns thinks of Hagan ( as a person and a coach ), and they remain tight to this day.

Point is, Hagans credibility as a coach, can be questioned all day every day. His job calls for that. People can abuse him and attack him and whatever else all they like. But the tall poppy attitude of sitting there and actually enjoying this, getting off the misery of another person, is just lame :lol:

"Enjoying" "getting off"

Please, even the word "enjoying" is taking it too far. You read into the forum a tad too much methinks.

 

[Karmawave]

Apey , wouldn't " rejoice " - the word used in the title of the thread - be alongside a thesaurus entry with " enjoy " for essentially meaning exactly the same thing ? :lol:

 

[Jobdog]

Its truly pathetic that anyone can rejoice in the failure of another person and get personal enjoyment out of it. Whether it be in football, or any other area of life.

Obviously some massive character flaws in your make up.

Getting enjoyment or " rejoicing " in another humans pain, failure, or inability to succeed in order to feel better about yourself , well that's a different thing entirely.

Yeah he is highly over-rated as a coach I agree.

100%.

Still doesn't give me some kinda pleasure seeing him fail :lol:

...

 

[Karmawave]

Yes JobDog, your point?

You quote me and reply with 3 dots.

 

[BG]

Well using that theory BG, Michael Hagan managing to take Parramatta within a game of the GF last year was just Brett Finch and Tim Smiths brilliance?

You were talking about 2001, and I was simply challenging your claim that the GF win was largely due to Hages outcoaching Smith. Parra were the biggest false favourites I've ever seen. The Knights beat the Eels in the first encounter of the season when Joey played, and had he lined up in every game that year would have almost certainly won the minor premiership.

The fact is that whatever you think of Hages, the results do indicate the Knights were shockingly reliant on Joey during his tenure. And Joey did have an issue bordering on obsession about Taylor being one of the worst athletes in the game. Targeting him went a long way towards the GF win, and with Joey at half that would have been part of the plan even if Kylie Minogue had been coaching the team.

 

[Karmawave]

Any coach will benefit from having the greatest half in the history running your team. Can't deny that.

Also, as you say, anyone knew to target Jason Taylor in defence , Einstein coach or otherwise.

Hagan as coach, had a huge bearing on the attitude and feeling amongst the team prior to kick off. NRL coaching is way more involved than just tactics.

By outcoached, I'm taking into account the Eels, under Smith, being wound up as tight as a player could be during the week leading up to the game, almost fearing the game itself, while Hagan had the Knights loose, relaxed, and ready to fire.

As Joey said in his book, the Knights knew they would win the competition when they saw how tense the Eels were at the Grand Final breakfast.

Surely a coach has a massive bearing on the general feeling of a team? That is as much a part of their job description as onfield tactics. In 2001, on that front, Hagan outcoached Smith big time. Hagan had his players relaxed and chomping at the bit to get to game day and enjoy it, wanting to WIN. Smith had his team, tense, tight, and worried about losing.

 

[Apey]

Apey , wouldn't " rejoice " - the word used in the title of the thread - be alongside a thesaurus entry with " enjoy " for essentially meaning exactly the same thing ? :lol:

It certainly does. But do you honestly think anyone is sitting here actually rejoicing? :crazy:

That is my point.

 

[roopy]

Hagan is the luckiest man alive.
Called up from reserve grade to win a grandfinal winners ring.
Signed with Newcastle as a fringe firstgrader and played for years as the only playmaker in a side famous for having nothing when it comes to playmaking.
Got to fill the kings boots for qld, very very badly.
As a coach he got a ready made team with the world's best player to make him look good, and basically stuffed it. Anywhere bt Newcastle he would have been tarred and feathered and run out of town two years before he was, but the hometown press in Newcastle means the coach never gets dragged over the coals.
How he got another big contract at Parra is a mystery Sherlock Holmes couldn't solve, but he always comes up trumps does Hages.
I'd love to share a lottery ticket with him, because he has arsed his way through a brilliant career.
I'd like to write him off, but he will probably follow his brother into admin now and be the next Bulldogs CEO.