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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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well, it's hard to argue that it isn't anti-competitive. lol. will be interesting to see what the ACCC's particular gripes are... i honestly don't know enough (or anything, really) about business law.
 

adamkungl

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I still don't see why the clubs are wasting their time. The power is entirely in their hands in regards to a new competition.
 

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well, it's hard to argue that it isn't anti-competitive. lol. will be interesting to see what the ACCC's particular gripes are... i honestly don't know enough (or anything, really) about business law.

I'd say News Ltd have applied some pressure to the ACCC. They (the ACCC) have a history of protecting the big boys.
 

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I still don't see why the clubs are wasting their time. The power is entirely in their hands in regards to a new competition.

This. Surely the clubs should be the ones signing a clause to not join a rival competition, after all each respective club has to say yes or no to any proposal.

IF they did this there could never be a rival comp again as nobody would support a comp with 16 new teams plucked from obscurity
 

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Parra It is no different,than the assumptions you are making,with no I.C in place,News still involved and a new Tv contract yet to be finalised.

We live in a country with 22m people,with 4 major football codes.My point is simply to make money,you have to spend it.If that means in expasnion areas ,so be it.
The exit strategy Icontinue to offer,was made by Searle as the architect of the I.C ,not News Ltd.If the purpose was just to get News out it succeeded,but the other purpose was to get some form of independence in Tv negotiations,as News has no expertise in running a code.
The only thing News is concerned about ATM IMO is what the Pay Tv lie of the land be like ,under the new I.C.
I am not relying on anything.I simply want News out,a decent Tv deal and money flowing to the respective bodies and the game to grow.
This has not happened since 1995.


Under the model being touted News Ltd have influence, first and last bid rights and absolutely no responsibility. It is a worse scenario that the sport is currently in.
 

Parra

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This. Surely the clubs should be the ones signing a clause to not join a rival competition, after all each respective club has to say yes or no to any proposal.

IF they did this there could never be a rival comp again as nobody would support a comp with 16 new teams plucked from obscurity

Learn from history. I wasn't joking earlier when I mentioned NSWRL loyalty agreements.

It is these agreements that Penrith, Cronulla, Canterbury and Canberra ignored that allowed Super League to start in the first place.

The NRL was born through deceit and dishonesty. This bred a healthy mistrust that should not be ignored.
 

Paul J

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I'm glad the ACCC are questioning that clause the clubs want against News, it's a ridiculous request from the clubs that is only holding up the IC.

Most of the clubs are not making a profit under News Ltd ownership of the game, while IC generate revenue for the clubs and the entire game as a whole.

It makes no sense that clubs would leave the IC to be with a breakaway News Ltd comp, the clubs have been harassing News and the ARL to get the IC up and running for over a year.
 

Green Machine

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Learn from history. I wasn't joking earlier when I mentioned NSWRL loyalty agreements.

It is these agreements that Penrith, Cronulla, Canterbury and Canberra ignored that allowed Super League to start in the first place.

The NRL was born through deceit and dishonesty. This bred a healthy mistrust that should not be ignored.
The cooked up loyalty agreements!
:lol:
 

Parra

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"Cooked up".


Just goes to show why the same suggestion should not be considered today.

Getting bailed out wasn't enough for Canberra.
 

Green Machine

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"Cooked up".


Just goes to show why the same suggestion should not be considered today.

Getting bailed out wasn't enough for Canberra.
Who will forget those 11th hour loyalty agreement? Those were the days. Let’s remember that the NSWRL would not offer loyalty agreements until News Ltd came along and guarenteed revenue like the NRL does now. Every year clubs would have to apply for admission every year and be threatened if they didn’t meet the criteria, they would be kicked out. Those cooked up loyalty agreements that were forced on the clubs to sign were as solid as Kerry Packer’s threat to sue the pants off them them for walking away from them. Pitty KP didn't stay loyal to the NSWRL,
 

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Rewriting history wont work.

The one thing you got right was that KP didn't do what the NSWRL was led to believe he would do.

But he did what was right for his business.

Lesson learned.

Seems quite a few people are lining up to be taught the same lesson again.
 

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http://m.smh.com.au/rugby-league/le...r-commissions-final-eight-20110601-1fgpl.html

NEWS Ltd representative Greg Baxter said last night that letters to eight selected people formally inviting them to accept places on the independent commission to run the game would be sent out today.
But Baxter's comment was in direct contrast to a statement from the Australian Rugby League that denied the selection process had been completed.
There have been conflicting reports on exactly how many of the eight commissioners News and the ARL have agreed upon, and when asked last night what that figure was as far as News was concerned, Baxter, the company's corporate affairs director, replied: ''All eight commissioners have been agreed upon, and some fairly transparent attempts to derail the process will be unsuccessful because the correct process for recruitment has been followed and we will end up with an incredibly strong independent commission comprising industry and community leaders.

''Any renegade candidate that is put up at this stage is highly unlikely to receive the unanimous support of the sub-committee [formed to choose the commissioners] and will not be considered. All of the issues that remained have been resolved.
''We are satisfied we have found the eight people and that there is a consensus about that. If we were to wake up tomorrow and find that one of the other parties disagrees with that, it would in effect mean they have gone back on their word.
''There is a formal process to be completed but we are very confident that the people who have been identified will agree to be a part of it.''
Informed of the comments from News and asked if he wished to reply to them, ARL chairman John Chalk said last night: ''As far as I'm concerned, as chairman of the ARL, the eight commissioners have not been finalised.''
There has been an interview process involving the sub-committee and the individual nominees aimed at establishing the genuine interest of those nominated, but it is only natural the individuals want to know the make-up of the rest of the board before they commit.
The sub-committee has also been feeding the nominees with as much information as possible about the responsibilities of a commissioner.
The Herald understands former Billabong chairman and Sydney Olympics boss Gary Pemberton met the sub-committee yesterday. Along with Pemberton, other likely commissioners whose names have become public include former league star Wayne Pearce, former Qantas chief financial officer Peter Gregg, IT guru John Grant and businesswoman Catherine Harris.
 

Green Machine

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Rewriting history wont work.
That’s true Union Boy, you wont get away with it here

The one thing you got right was that KP didn't do what the NSWRL was led to believe he would do.

It’s a bit hard to sue when the courts were able to set aside those loyalty agreements.
But he did what was right for his business.
He did what was right for his own greed. He started out with Telstra and News Ltd, he went to Optus on a better deal and then ditched Optus to sign back up with Telstra and News Ltd behind the ARL’s back


Lesson learned.
That’s right. The ARL learnt that loyalty was a one way street, on their side


Seems quite a few people are lining up to be taught the same lesson again.

I think we’ll come out of this alright. I can see why you Union Boys a bit nervous,
 

Parra

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You get called out for trying to rewrite Canberra's role in SL and this is what you've got? Petty fight-club level insults.

Here is a tip for you - it is a CEO's duty to do what is right for the stockholders. It doesn't matter if the company is PBL, News Ltd or anything else. That is their duty.

Tying the sport to a media company influence is not a good thing. That is why this current proposal stinks. It extends the ties to News Ltd rather than remove them. Hence the best option being to ride out the current deal - this ends in 2017. The IC proposal extends News Ltd influence to 2027.


Either way, there will be no effect at all on rugby. But there are still some good structural examples in rugby with how the sport is managed/mismanged at a pro, amateur and junior level. It's pretty clear that this is the path the NRL is headed. Which is a good thing for the "sport as a business" crowd and not so good for the rest. In other words, great for the pro levels.
 

Paul J

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"Either way, there will be no effect at all on rugby. But there are still some good structural examples in rugby with how the sport is managed/mismanged at a pro, amateur and junior level. It's pretty clear that this is the path the NRL is headed. Which is a good thing for the "sport as a business" crowd and not so good for the rest. In other words, great for the pro levels."[/QUOTE]

The NRL is not heading down a path similar to the ARU. The ARU has not yet reached 'critical mass' to have Super 15 on FTA. They do not have the funds to support grass roots and expansion the way they would like.

The NRL is heading down the path of sports WITH independent commissions, such as the AFL & NFL. They make the bulk of their revenue through broadcast deals which in turns fuels grass roots and expansion.

Rugby League as a whole will grow under an IC.
 

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"Either way, there will be no effect at all on rugby. But there are still some good structural examples in rugby with how the sport is managed/mismanged at a pro, amateur and junior level. It's pretty clear that this is the path the NRL is headed. Which is a good thing for the "sport as a business" crowd and not so good for the rest. In other words, great for the pro levels."

The NRL is not heading down a path similar to the ARU. The ARU has not yet reached 'critical mass' to have Super 15 on FTA. They do not have the funds to support grass roots and expansion the way they would like.

The NRL is heading down the path of sports WITH independent commissions, such as the AFL & NFL. They make the bulk of their revenue through broadcast deals which in turns fuels grass roots and expansion.

Rugby League as a whole will grow under an IC.[/QUOTE]

Do you know anything about the administrative structure in place for the different levels rugby in Australia? Or are you just guessing? More wishful thinking? There is so much expectation around the IC and what it will deliver and it is nothing more than wishful thinking. Any critical analysis at all is dismissed out of hand. It is not a good sign when there is no substance to back up the pipe dreams.
 

Paul J

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There is so much expectation about the IC because they have proven track records. I don't care for AFL or NFL much but I have the upmost respect for what the their IC have achieved.

I cannot wait for the NRL to get an IC. It will not only be light years ahead of the current self serving and inept leadership, it will be the best leadership rugby league has ever had in this country.
 

Parra

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From a business perspective - maybe. That is certainly the credentials they are touting.

From a sports perspective? Who knows. The not-for-profit elements of the sport do not exist in the business world. A lot more people are directly involved in the amateur levels of the game than the professional level.
 
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