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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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oh boo hoo, he use to work for compaqny X so all his decisions and actions will take that into account.

perhaps we shouldn't take your opinion because you had a paper route when you were younger or worked at a fast food restaurant and the only people who work there are idiots who can't get an order right or throw the paper into the bushes.

its ridiculous.

If you don't like it, there's the door.

Gallop is a great leader. Despite the goggles some are wearing.

used to?

Your "if you don't like it, there's the door" notion is also ludicrous. We the fans are the most important part of the game, not some News Ltd stooge.

We all deserve a better leader than we currently have, plain and simple.
 

flippikat

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oh boo hoo, he use to work for compaqny X so all his decisions and actions will take that into account.

perhaps we shouldn't take your opinion because you had a paper route when you were younger or worked at a fast food restaurant and the only people who work there are idiots who can't get an order right or throw the paper into the bushes.

its ridiculous.

If you don't like it, there's the door.

Gallop is a great leader. Despite the goggles some are wearing.

While I wouldn't call him a GREAT leader, Gallop has delivered some much-needed stability in the competition.

It may have been conservative - but after all that upheaval maybe that's what was needed - especially after the wounds caused by the Superleague war & then the "slash & burn" rationalization between 1998 & 2001.

I think it was good to have some time to quietly go about business as usual.

So I'd call Gallop the right man for the right time. Safe, steady - boring perhaps - but predictable on the big issues.

HOWEVER, now we need someone who can lead the game in it's next phase - the time for just treading water is over.

I'm yet to be convinced that Gallop can change his 'steady as she goes' approach and take the game up a gear or two - but it's up to him to convince the new commission I guess.. that's if he WANTS to lead the NRL in it's next phase.

The stakes will be higher, and the risks will be larger - and standing still won't be an option.
 

BDGS

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used to?

Your "if you don't like it, there's the door" notion is also ludicrous. We the fans are the most important part of the game, not some News Ltd stooge.

We all deserve a better leader than we currently have, plain and simple.

The game has grown under his leadership, in crowds, memberships, merchandise, Online networks to access the game, TV rights deals, TV ratings.

That's what you need from a leader, growth.

Gallop has done a great job.

While I wouldn't call him a GREAT leader, Gallop has delivered some much-needed stability in the competition.

It may have been conservative - but after all that upheaval maybe that's what was needed - especially after the wounds caused by the Superleague war & then the "slash & burn" rationalization between 1998 & 2001.

I think it was good to have some time to quietly go about business as usual.

So I'd call Gallop the right man for the right time. Safe, steady - boring perhaps - but predictable on the big issues.

HOWEVER, now we need someone who can lead the game in it's next phase - the time for just treading water is over.

I'm yet to be convinced that Gallop can change his 'steady as she goes' approach and take the game up a gear or two - but it's up to him to convince the new commission I guess.. that's if he WANTS to lead the NRL in it's next phase.

The stakes will be higher, and the risks will be larger - and standing still won't be an option.

Gallop is required to make the transition from the current format to the IC format easier on face surface. If he doesn't do his job to the level that is expected from him by the IC then and only then will it be time for him to move on.
 
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The game has grown under his leadership, in crowds, memberships, merchandise, Online networks to access the game, TV rights deals, TV ratings.

That's what you need from a leader, growth.

Gallop has done a great job


  • Memberships have largely been a club initiative, with the NRL providing a small grant to assisst


  • Our online presence is still a joke, and we received next to nothing for the rights. As we all know we got a raw deal on last TV rights deal, which Gallop negotiated


  • Crowds have remained stagnant for over 5 years


  • Coverage has been terrible in non-league states, Gallop does not have the balls to face up to Nine on this issue

I never said Gallop hasn't done a good job, we could just be doing a lot better. He is a steady as she goes, conservative CEO which we really cannot afford to have at this point in time where we should be experiencing more explosive growth, I'm sorry
 

flippikat

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  • Memberships have largely been a club initiative, with the NRL providing a small grant to assisst


  • Our online presence is still a joke, and we received next to nothing for the rights. As we all know we got a raw deal on last TV rights deal, which Gallop negotiated


  • Crowds have remained stagnant for over 5 years


  • Coverage has been terrible in non-league states, Gallop does not have the balls to face up to Nine on this issue

I never said Gallop hasn't done a good job, we could just be doing a lot better. He is a steady as she goes, conservative CEO which we really cannot afford to have at this point in time where we should be experiencing more explosive growth, I'm sorry


I think having a period of stability & conservatism after the shock of 1997-2001 was a good thing, a necessary time for the game to regroup.

Maybe we didn't need 10 years of it, but that can't be changed now.

I suppose that one positive out of it is that there is now a huge pent-up demand for those expansion spots.. The NRL needs to foster this, and provide a pathway forward for the unsuccessful bids when the competition is expanded.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...rd-on-commission/story-e6frg7mf-1226077347391

Five businessmen, leading businesswoman and former Test forward on commission

Brent Read
From: The Australian
June 18, 2011 12:00AM

COACHES, players and administrators continue to plead for a radical overhaul of the season schedule, but the final say will rest with five respected businessmen, a leading businesswoman, a former Australia forward and an advertising guru.

While NRL chief executive David Gallop and his team will continue to play a central role in developing policy, the inaugural eight members of the game's independent commission will be charged with finalising direction on issues such as season scheduling, representative football and the next broadcasting deal.

The frustration for the NRL and its clubs is the time it has taken to have the commission in place. The Australian revealed this week that prominent businessman Jeremy Sutcliffe, a director of building and aluminium company CSR, had been earmarked for the final position on the commission.

The other seven commissioners have already been identified: IT guru John Grant, former Qantas and Billabong chairman Gary Pemberton, Leighton Holdings chief financial officer Peter Gregg, former Australia forward Wayne Pearce, Harris Farm markets founder Catherine Harris, advertising figure Ian Elliott and former Ansett executive Mark Williamson. Former Australia back John Grant is tipped to be inaugural chairman.

The only thing holding up the announcement of the commissioners is the spat between the ARL and other stakeholders over a push for western Sydney lawyer Jim Marsden ahead of Mark Williamson, with Williamson tipped to hold his spot.

But that won't be the end of the matter. Several issues still need to be finalised before the commission takes over the running of the game from News Limited, publisher of The Weekend Australian, and the ARL. Given the dialogue, the body appears unlikely to be in place by the time the NRL and clubs hold a meeting on July 21 to discuss the game's key issues.

There was a push from several chief executives to bring the meeting forward and include club chairmen, but that appears to have waned. The meeting is expected to play a key role in determining recommendations for the season schedule and shape of broadcasting negotiations for next season and beyond.

But nothing can be finalised until the commission is formed and the commissioners agree on the game's future direction. "We certainly intend to put some proposals to the club meeting on July 21 and get their input, but ultimately it will be a question for the governing body to determine, and hopefully at some stage that will be the new commission structure," Gallop said.

While the NRL and its clubs are looking at the July 21 meeting as a focal point, the Rugby League Players Association intends to have a firm stance on the season schedule in place by the end of this month, and wants to relay its concerns to the commission once it is in place.

RLPA chief executive David Garnsey held talks with several club captains this week and will seek the view of the players early next week. He is hopeful the association will have a policy in place soon after, probably to recommend stand-alone State of Origin games, most likely from 2013 when the games will be played under a new broadcasting deal.

"We have started dialogue with our players on the issues where we can reasonably predict everything that will happen," Garnsey said.

"As a players' association, it's not surprising we would focus on the player welfare issues involved. I think it's essential we have a policy in place."

Asked when, he said: "I would have thought very soon."

As for the prospects of relaying the players' stance to the commission, Garnsey said it would be difficult to see the game's new leaders not wanting the players input.
 

BDGS

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  • Memberships have largely been a club initiative, with the NRL providing a small grant to assisst


  • Our online presence is still a joke, and we received next to nothing for the rights. As we all know we got a raw deal on last TV rights deal, which Gallop negotiated


  • Crowds have remained stagnant for over 5 years


  • Coverage has been terrible in non-league states, Gallop does not have the balls to face up to Nine on this issue

I never said Gallop hasn't done a good job, we could just be doing a lot better. He is a steady as she goes, conservative CEO which we really cannot afford to have at this point in time where we should be experiencing more explosive growth, I'm sorry

The NRL was the one that pushed the clubs to push for memberships.

Our online ratings broke a record last year for viewership.

Crowds are up 2.4% (or something like that) in Sydney, while QLD is getting over major natural disasters.

The SOO is now live into Melb, Darwin, Hobart, and on a more convenient time then ever in Adelaide and Perth (although it could be better but they are working on it), that's never happened before.
 

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...mmission-nears-completion-20110619-1ga6x.html

Marsden becomes a sticking point as commission nears completion
Brad Walter

June 20, 2011

NRL club chairmen and ARL officials say western Sydney must have a representative on the independent commission, and want former Wests Magpies boss Jim Marsden to fill that role.

After months of debate, the four-man subcommittee charged with identifying the inaugural eight commissioners has finalised all of the positions but one - that of Marsden.

Among the commissioners agreed on by representatives of the ARL, News Ltd, NRL clubs and QRL is a lawyer, an accountant, an IT guru, an ad man, someone with experience negotiating billion-dollar television deals, a businesswoman and a former player but no one from western Sydney or with a background in the licensed club industry.

Marsden fits both bills, being heavily involved in the Campbelltown community and a former Wests chairman.

If his appointment is accepted, the eight-person independent commission will consist of him and:

❏ Gary Pemberton (SOCOG chairman and former head of Billabong, Qantas and NSW TAB);

❏ Jeremy Sutcliffe (acting CSR chief executive and non-executive director of Amcor);

❏ Ian Elliott (former chairman of George Paterson advertising);

❏ John Grant (managing director of Data #3 and former Kangaroo);

❏ Peter Gregg (former Qantas chief financial officer);

❏ Catherine Harris (founder of Harris Farm Markets); and

❏ Wayne Pearce (former Balmain, NSW and Australia star).

Western Sydney is considered rugby league's heartland but officials say the area is unrepresented in the game's hierarchy. They point out that the headquarters of the new ARL commission are being built at the Sydney Football Stadium, and most of those who work in administration live in the eastern suburbs.

In contrast, AFL and football are investing in western Sydney.

NRL club chairmen and ARL officials want Marsden but News Ltd and the QRL are pushing for former Ansett executive Mark Williamson, who oversaw the now defunct airline's sponsorship deal with the Brisbane Broncos in the late 1990s.

The club chairmen and ARL say they don't care who misses out to accommodate Marsden but Williamson is believed to be the least palatable because of his connections with News Ltd, which co-owned Ansett and is the major shareholder of the Broncos.

Williamson later joined the board of the North Queensland Cowboys.

Marsden is a leading lawyer and senior partner of Marsdens Law Group. However, the Herald has been told Marsden's understanding of western Sydney and the licensed club industry, not his legal skills, were the reasons the NRL club chairman and ARL were pushing for his appointment. Sutcliffe is also a lawyer.

NRL club chairmen might meet on Friday to discuss the issue further.

The other hurdle to the independent commission is News Ltd's refusal to sign a non-compete clause promising it will not start another Super League breakaway competition.
 

juro

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They can't be serious. Who cares whether western Sydney has a representative. It is supposed to be an INDEPENDENT commission!

Are they now wanting to have a representative for Queensland, NSW, country, city, Aus, NZ, male, female, baby boomer, gen Y, ...???

Just pick the right people who will make decisions for the good of all rugby league, not having individual agendas which conflict, and get on with it!!
 

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If the Independent Commission is going to be so wonderful and solve all the games problems, surely the 7 Commissioners that have supposedly already been settled on can be relied upon to choose number 8.
 

BDGS

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Who said they will solve all their the games problems? You would have to be ignorant to think they will solve all the problems. What they will do though is bring experience and knowledge to the table in many areas and that should see that they will solve quite a few problems or at least make big improvements on the current situation.

Now as to why the seven people already confirmed on the commission can't pick their 8th partner, that can't be done sue to the agreement that the NRL/ARL and news have to agree on all the commissioners, also the seven people who have been confirmed should be given no power in our game until all eight have been put in place and the control ofthe game has changed hands officially.
 

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I like Wayne Pearce, but he has been working for a News Limited company for quite a while now.

He will always do what News LTD wants.

A very bad decision for that very reason.

You listen to guys who work on the radio as well like Mark Braybrook (4BC - fill-in for Sports Today) and Terry Kennedy (Sky Sports) and they are very reluctant to criticise the TV networks they work for. Pearce will be exactly the same when it comes to Fox Sports/News LTD.
 

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oh boo hoo, he use to work for compaqny X so all his decisions and actions will take that into account.

perhaps we shouldn't take your opinion because you had a paper route when you were younger or worked at a fast food restaurant and the only people who work there are idiots who can't get an order right or throw the paper into the bushes.

its ridiculous.

If you don't like it, there's the door.

Gallop is a great leader. Despite the goggles some are wearing.

People don't like Gallop because at no point during his time has he shown himself to be anything more than a reactionary leader. His handling of crisis' has ranged anywhere between excellent (Melbourne Storm cap cheating, imo) and hopeless (Brett Stewart). The game has slowly crawled back to somewhere around pre-1996 levels under his leadership, which he should be commended for.

However if he has any vision for the future of the game, any plans that aren't a knee jerk reaction to a media whinge, he has NOT made it clear to the fans. On top of this, there was the rubbish result of the News vs News TV rights negotiations last time around, and whether you think he is a News lackey or not, he has to take responsibility for the weakened position
we are in now compared to the AFL. Finally, his ability to portray the game's strength positively in the media is SEVERELY lacking.

Gallop = mediocre.
 

hutch

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People don't like Gallop because at no point during his time has he shown himself to be anything more than a reactionary leader. His handling of crisis' has ranged anywhere between excellent (Melbourne Storm cap cheating, imo) and hopeless (Brett Stewart). The game has slowly crawled back to somewhere around pre-1996 levels under his leadership, which he should be commended for.

However if he has any vision for the future of the game, any plans that aren't a knee jerk reaction to a media whinge, he has NOT made it clear to the fans. On top of this, there was the rubbish result of the News vs News TV rights negotiations last time around, and whether you think he is a News lackey or not, he has to take responsibility for the weakened position
we are in now compared to the AFL. Finally, his ability to portray the game's strength positively in the media is SEVERELY lacking.

Gallop = mediocre.

This.

We have possibly the greatest product there is, there is no excuse to not to prosper! We are doing ok, but could be doing so much better!
 

BDGS

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I like Wayne Pearce, but he has been working for a News Limited company for quite a while now.

He will always do what News LTD wants.

A very bad decision for that very reason.

You listen to guys who work on the radio as well like Mark Braybrook (4BC - fill-in for Sports Today) and Terry Kennedy (Sky Sports) and they are very reluctant to criticise the TV networks they work for. Pearce will be exactly the same when it comes to Fox Sports/News LTD.

Pearce won't be working for Fox/News when he gets put on the IC though.
 

BDGS

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People don't like Gallop because at no point during his time has he shown himself to be anything more than a reactionary leader. His handling of crisis' has ranged anywhere between excellent (Melbourne Storm cap cheating, imo) and hopeless (Brett Stewart). The game has slowly crawled back to somewhere around pre-1996 levels under his leadership, which he should be commended for.

However if he has any vision for the future of the game, any plans that aren't a knee jerk reaction to a media whinge, he has NOT made it clear to the fans. On top of this, there was the rubbish result of the News vs News TV rights negotiations last time around, and whether you think he is a News lackey or not, he has to take responsibility for the weakened position
we are in now compared to the AFL. Finally, his ability to portray the game's strength positively in the media is SEVERELY lacking.

Gallop = mediocre.

Watch the Sky interview.
 

juro

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Pearce won't be working for Fox/News when he gets put on the IC though.
And even if he does have a favourable view of News, he will only be one of the 8 commissioners. It's not like he is running the whole thing...
 
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