RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[BunniesMan]

They will consult bunniesMan of course :sarcasm:

Get stuffed. There's entire threads dedicated to trolling, I asked a legitimate question, if you don't have a legitimate answer, don't reply.

 

[Perth Red]

It's about time!

The biggies for me are:
Media deal
increasing sponsorship of the NRL
Funding model for amateur and Jnr RL nationally along with the role of NSWRL,QRL, WARL etc
ARL, does it still exist and what does it do? If not who runs what the ARL did?
NRL expansion
Development of the game in affiliated states
Salary cap level and detail
Marketing of the code
Control of the media

Plenty to get their teeth into!

 

[Perth Red]

I am a bit confused about how the game away from the NRL will be run with the new IC. At the moment we have the ARL which is fundamentally NSWRL,CRL and QRL with affiliated states coming under but not having any representation or voting rights on the ARL board. The ARL is responsible for:
Amateur RL
Jnr RL
SOO and city/country
International RL through membership of the RLIF

Will these areas now come under the IC and will they be employing staff to look after them or will the ARL just keep operating as it is with funding from the IC but no direct influence on the IC's decisions?

 

[BDGS]

1. Seriously, how can this be indepedent with a News Limited lackey as CEO?

When Newslimited leaves it finishes the connection Gallop has with Newslimited. He has been actings more freely in these past months and we have seen some great results.

Gallop meeting with the SA government to ensure games of Rugby League continually is allowed to be played there after the AFL wanted just their pathetic sport and cricket to be allowed there.

Gallop meet with Channel 9 straight after news broke that the RWC Wallabies clashes with an NRL semi and made sure CH 9 would show the NRL, the CEO of the ARU didn't do this.

 

[BDGS]

Anyone see the problem with an IC of eight...what happens in the event of a 4-4 vote?

There is a procedure in place for such an event.

 

[brokendigit]

Anyone see the problem with an IC of eight...what happens in the event of a 4-4 vote?

Chairman's vote will count as two.

 

[BDGS]

Everything is coming under the IC as i understand it, except maybe International RL. There has been no real comment on International RL under the commission really.

 

[Quidgybo]

Chairman's vote will count as two.

Says who? It doesn't on the current six member NRL Partnership Executive Committee. Unless there's a clear majority (ie. 4-2 or better) the vote simply doesn't pass.

Leigh.

 

[Quidgybo]

I am a bit confused about how the game away from the NRL will be run with the new IC. At the moment we have the ARL which is fundamentally NSWRL,CRL and QRL with affiliated states coming under but not having any representation or voting rights on the ARL board. The ARL is responsible for:
Amateur RL
Jnr RL
SOO and city/country
International RL through membership of the RLIF

Will these areas now come under the IC and will they be employing staff to look after them or will the ARL just keep operating as it is with funding from the IC but no direct influence on the IC's decisions?

As I understand it, the current ARL as a legal entity will cease to exist. Replaced and subsumed by the ARLC who will take over all the existing responsibilities of the ARL as well as controlling the NRL club competition. Certainly that was the starting position of the Commission proposal 18 months ago and I've seen nothing reported since that contradicts that.

The document presented to the ARL board on the 7th of December 2009...

http://resources.news.com.au/files/2009/12/08/1225808/419135-dt-file-nrl-restructure-outline.pdf

Under that plan the ARL would sell its assets to the new body for $1 and then vote itself out of existence. The original idea was the NRL would do the same but since then I think they've decided it would be easier to create the new structure within the existing NRL company rather than create a new company. Any ARL infrastructure not already duplicated by the NRL would be taken over by the reformed body under the ARLC.

Leigh

 

[Rockin Ronny]

The ARL is responsible for:
Amateur RL

They certainly achieved this.

 

[eozsmiles]

Says who? It doesn't on the current six member NRL Partnership Executive Committee. Unless there's a clear majority (ie. 4-2 or better) the vote simply doesn't pass.

Leigh.

I remember reading it somewhere. The chairman has a casting vote or veto or whatever they call it in case of a tie.

 

[Stagger Lee]

Anyone see the problem with an IC of eight...what happens in the event of a 4-4 vote?

If half the board is against something then it does not deserve to get the go ahead - say for instance the issue under vote is to change legibility laws for SOO then the currant laws will remain till a clear majority arises.

For mine it is good to have a 'even' number

 

[Goddo]

Its more of a question for when we bring in a second Kiwi NRL side, but I am interested in how the Warriors, any future NZ NRL side, NZ Junior Rugby League and the NZRL fit into this new ARLC.

The NRL gets a lot from NZ, but seemingly gives little back. I know its an Australian comp, but I think there are some structural questions that need asking down the track.

Eg, should there be a NZ commissioner? Should the ARLC pay the NZRL a subsidy to help fund juniors?

 

[BuffaloRules]

Still can't help thinking that Wayne Pearce is really the odd man out in that list.

I think Demitriou used to kick the football around didnt he?

Just because you have played the game, it doesnt make you a meat head.

 

[eozsmiles]

Whilst there is a news limited representive there, will they go all out to secure top dollar for the TV rights???

Yes. The game needs money to expand and grow so it gains new fans ie markets. The media players need new fans to make more money. So they are really cutting off their nose to spite their face if they accept less money. They is no way they will leave a big offer on the table and accept a pissy offer instead.
Most footy fans are saying right now that we need a commission and we need a new TV deal for the game to grow. Both the media and the game will best serve themselves by looking after each other.

 

[magpie_man]

Its more of a question for when we bring in a second Kiwi NRL side, but I am interested in how the Warriors, any future NZ NRL side, NZ Junior Rugby League and the NZRL fit into this new ARLC.

The NRL gets a lot from NZ, but seemingly gives little back. I know its an Australian comp, but I think there are some structural questions that need asking down the track.

Eg, should there be a NZ commissioner? Should the ARLC pay the NZRL a subsidy to help fund juniors?

yes, i've been wondering this too.
i think the arlc should employ a formula where the total revenue from the other side of the ditch is calculated (sky tv rights, radio rights etc.), a 20% admin fee is kept, the warriors' yearly club grant is subtracted and the rest is redistributed into new zealand rl for advertising, juniors etc.

so, for example:

total revenue from nz broadcasting/sponsorship: $15 million/year

admin fee = $3 million
warriors club grant = $4.5 million

nz advertising/junior rl = $7.5 million

 

[Perth Red]

yes, i've been wondering this too.
i think the arlc should employ a formula where the total revenue from the other side of the ditch is calculated (sky tv rights, radio rights etc.), a 20% admin fee is kept, the warriors' yearly club grant is subtracted and the rest is redistributed into new zealand rl for advertising, juniors etc.

so, for example:

total revenue from nz broadcasting/sponsorship: $15 million/year

admin fee = $3 million
warriors club grant = $4.5 million

nz advertising/junior rl = $7.5 million

totally agree

 

[Goddo]

well, we all sort of agree where we should head on this issue, but it will be interesting if the ARLC does anything at all. Probably won't.

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Its more of a question for when we bring in a second Kiwi NRL side, but I am interested in how the Warriors, any future NZ NRL side, NZ Junior Rugby League and the NZRL fit into this new ARLC.

The NRL gets a lot from NZ, but seemingly gives little back. I know its an Australian comp, but I think there are some structural questions that need asking down the track.

Eg, should there be a NZ commissioner? Should the ARLC pay the NZRL a subsidy to help fund juniors?

Yeah I cant see how the NZRL could be made apart of the ARLC. I think perhaps if the ARLC is going to siphon of funds for RL in Victoria, it could and should be done for NZ aswell.

The only way I can see RL in NZ being given more of a shot from the ARLC is if they sell them selves to the ARLC. Giving the ARLC complete control over RL in NZ. Then the NZRL get a vote much like the NSWRL and QRL.

Personally, I think it would be a good idea for RL below the Warriors in NZ to come under ARLC control.

Remember, we are making money out of NZ through OUR competition. Should the ARL get something for the good that the airing that the Super League gets here? Hardly.

 

[Quidgybo]

Yeah I cant see how the NZRL could be made apart of the ARLC. I think perhaps if the ARLC is going to siphon of funds for RL in Victoria, it could and should be done for NZ aswell.

To be fair Victoria isn't really siphoning off money, it's well within the ARLC's remit to foster the game nationally, including the minor states. And it can fund development in each area to the level it sees fit without regard to how much money that area generates - it's a national pot. On the other hand, via the NRL competition it certainly is making money off the game in New Zealand which then is siphoned back into the Australian grassroots rather than back to New Zealand.

The only way I can see RL in NZ being given more of a shot from the ARLC is if they sell them selves to the ARLC. Giving the ARLC complete control over RL in NZ. Then the NZRL get a vote much like the NSWRL and QRL.

Personally, I think it would be a good idea for RL below the Warriors in NZ to come under ARLC control.

Remember, we are making money out of NZ through OUR competition. Should the ARL get something for the good that the airing that the Super League gets here? Hardly.

The NZRL can and should remain independent. But as a wealthy smaller country that can support elite clubs but not enough of them to run an NRL standard competition of its own, it should license the right to exploit its territory to another competition (ie. the NRL). Essentially the NZRL would formally delegate the running of the top level of club football in New Zealand to the ARLC (which would then decide how many franchises it could support in that market). And for that the NZRL would receive an annual license fee proportional to the grant it would get if it were a state under the ARLC.

Leigh