RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[rednblack]

The problem is they don't want to govern "the sport", they want to govern themselves.

But they ARE the game!

It is true that no club individually is bigger than the game, yet collectively, they amount to our sellable product. Sure, there would need to be some degree of autonomy in a new body, but that would be a given. For instance, no club would cede power to another individual club, but I do believe that they can collectively come to a consensus as to whom would independently control their competition. This is in stark contrast with the present situation, which has proven itself to be untenable.

I have no hesitation in believing that a truly independent body can be decided upon collectively by the clubs.

 

[Perth Red]

Not going to happen having listened to that interview. Fair enough what they have said, they have been given a proposal by the NRL with funding forcasts for the next few years and have responded to that with what they think is a fairer deal. Its just part of negotiations and without the context of knowing that it was a response rather than a club initiated thing it was easy to jump to conclusions.

Something I don't get is clubs are claiming to be losing on avg $2mill a year each. If grants go up to $7mill you can bet the players will be holding their hands out for a salary cap rise. This is going to make the clubs no better off financially unless the cap stays as it is (or goes up a max $1mill) and the grant goes up by a min $3mill.

Ideally I'd like to see the grant go up to $7mill in 2013, costing the NRL a total of $616mill over the 5 years, presuming we expand to 18 teams in 2014

Salary cap to rise to : $5mill 2013
$5.5mill 2014&15
$6mill 2016&17

This will give each club an extra $12mill unexpended income over what they have now during the life of the 5 year TV contract.

 

[Jason Maher]

I dream of the day News Ltd. finally gets f**ked.

 

[Rockin Ronny]

Im an ignorant News/ superleague Stooge am I :sarcasm:
theres no bigger a critic of that empire of evil then myself you wombat

you keep telling yourself your beloved bears were screwed
they weren't
in reality they were always destined for the scrap heap as they couldn't organise a root in a brothel

they made the present day Sharks look like BHP Billiton
a pox we're well rid of ;-)

Buy a mirror, dildo.

CC Bears will be a powerhouse.

You're a one team town going going down the toilet fast.

 

[Tommax25]

Buy a mirror, dildo.

CC Bears will be a powerhouse.

You're a one team town going going down the toilet fast.

Its a great day indeed when I have to make the tough, tough choice about what tastes sweeter. Ronny's bitter tears or the Sea Eagles Premiership victory. Ah its a great day

 

[Slackboy72]

The fact is that the ARL, News Ltd, NSWRL and QRL are leeches on the clubs. the clubs provide the spectacle. They develop the talent. They pay for the grounds. They do most of the publicity work. They are the drawcard. I watch to see the Dragons play. I couldn't care less about the NRL per se. All the NRL provide is referees and they've done a rubbish job of that.
people bleat about juniors and whatever. The clubs already are shelling out for that too.
The fact they get less than 50% of revenue they generate is ridiculous.
The clubs need to grow some testicular fortitude and get rid of the NRL, ARL, NSWRL and QRL. State of origin be damned. We need the people makiing the product to make a profit out of the biggest game in town.

 

[Baron Vo Mandor]

Not going to happen having listened to that interview. Fair enough what they have said, they have been given a proposal by the NRL with funding forcasts for the next few years and have responded to that with what they think is a fairer deal. Its just part of negotiations and without the context of knowing that it was a response rather than a club initiated thing it was easy to jump to conclusions.

Something I don't get is clubs are claiming to be losing on avg $2mill a year each. If grants go up to $7mill you can bet the players will be holding their hands out for a salary cap rise. This is going to make the clubs no better off financially unless the cap stays as it is (or goes up a max $1mill) and the grant goes up by a min $3mill.

Ideally I'd like to see the grant go up to $7mill in 2013, costing the NRL a total of $616mill over the 5 years, presuming we expand to 18 teams in 2014

Salary cap to rise to : $5mill 2013
$5.5mill 2014&15
$6mill 2016&17

This will give each club an extra $12mill unexpended income over what they have now during the life of the 5 year TV contract.

When are you going to let it go, until all existing clubs are financially viable there is ZERO chance, neither the independent commission or clubs will support expansion. - Its idiocy to suggest it.

2016 minimum and most likely 2018 before expansion becomes a feasible option.

I do admit that WA and a 2nd Brisbane team are the only choices.

Another NSW team will never and SHOULD never happen.

 

[Perth Red]

When are you going to let it go, until all existing clubs are financially viable there is ZERO chance, neither the independent commission or clubs will support expansion. - Its idiocy to suggest it.

2016 minimum and most likely 2018 before expansion becomes a feasible option.

I do admit that WA and a 2nd Brisbane team are the only choices.

Another NSW team will never and SHOULD never happen.

your making the assumption that the inclusion of an extra game a week plus the viewership, TV scheduling options etc of two new clubs won't be worth MORE than the COST to the NRL (ie $14mill a year). If expansion brings in more than it costs than there is no argument against doing it as it won't make one jot of difference to the bottom line of existing clubs. In fact you would hope it would increase every clubs bottom line by:
1. Bringing in more TV $'s
2. Making the game more popular and therefore more attractive to sponsors
3. Exposing sponsors to new markets there by making product placement more valuable

 

[Slackboy72]

your making the assumption that the inclusion of an extra game a week plus the viewership, TV scheduling options etc of two new clubs won't be worth MORE than the COST to the NRL (ie $14mill a year). If expansion brings in more than it costs than there is no argument against doing it as it won't make one jot of difference to the bottom line of existing clubs. In fact you would hope it would increase every clubs bottom line by:
1. Bringing in more TV $'s
2. Making the game more popular and therefore more attractive to sponsors
3. Exposing sponsors to new markets there by making product placement more valuable

Yep boys and girls, It's off-season.

 

[Perth Red]

no its not, we've got test footy to enjoy!

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=259746037399980

NRL statement, RE: Clubs letter
by Rugby League Week on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 at 4:35pm

The NRL Partners, Australian Rugby League Limited and National Rugby League Investments Pty Limited, have issued the following statement in reply to a letter sent on behalf of NRL Clubs and the resultant media speculation:

“The Clubs and all in the game have supported the introduction of the Commission to ensure that all issues are addressed in a strategic manner across Rugby League.

“A key objective has been to establish an Independent Commission that was not aligned to the interests of any one sector of the game.

“It would be completely unrealistic to saddle the Commission with Club Grants of $6 million that simply can’t be funded at this stage.

“Ultimately the Club Agreements underpin stability in the game and the funding for the Clubs themselves. It is important that these are finalised before the Commission is put in place.

“The Clubs have been supportive of the Commission to replace the present Partnership and it is important that they move forward in a manner that empowers the Commission as soon as possible.”

 

[Goddo]

more weak uncommited drivel from one D Gallop.

"Please don't upset News, it makes my life unplesant."

 

[ozjet1]

Of course they cant be funded at this stage Gallop. The current broadcast rights were sold for a pittance of it's actual value by you on behalf of the NRL to another company in which News Ltd also has a stake. You puppet!

 

[Rockin Ronny]

Its a great day indeed when I have to make the tough, tough choice about what tastes sweeter. Ronny's bitter tears or the Sea Eagles Premiership victory. Ah its a great day

Premiership is now Ancient history.
But - being Scum is your past, present and future. That will never change.

 

[East Coast Tiger]

Without clubs there is no NRL ... obviously,

however, without Rugby League there are no clubs and the clubs are not bigger than the game.

In essence, the issue is not about the money, it's about whether the IC is exactly that "independent" or a patsy for the clubs.

If it's the second then the clubs can bugger off. I would rather support QCup and NSWCup than any of those self-centered mongrels ... including my own if they're in it.

^^^

 

[Raiders_Premiers]

Gallop is the right man for the job.

BDGS :lol:

Looking at the commission now, I don't care how long it takes now as we've all been waiting and waiting and waiting. As long as they get it right.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.dragons.com.au/default.a...ub-statement-regarding-independent-commission

NRL Combined Club Statement Regarding Independent Commission
12/10/2011 7:36:02 PM

All the NRL Clubs including St George Illawarra support the introduction of the Independent Commission as soon as possible.

All NRL Clubs on Wednesday sought to clarify their position in respect of their financial position and preparedness to move forward.

A Joint Statement is as follows:

The 16 NRL Clubs fully endorse the establishment of the Independent Commission and enthusiastically support the proposed commencement date of November 1, 2011.

In fact, the Clubs (particularly Club CEOs like Michael Searle) have been driving forces for the creation of the Independent Commission.

Quite properly, all NRL Clubs, on behalf of all their respective stakeholders, must be diligent in the all-important area of their long term financial viability.

For many years the vast majority of the NRL Clubs report annual losses (last year 14 of the 16 Clubs reported losses totalling in excess of $30 million).

This is an unsustainable business model.

Significantly, the Clubs are the only stakeholders in the game who are required to fund the losses.

It should be noted that despite other parties negotiating for over 12 months,

Clubs received the draft Club Agreement less than one month ago. Clubs have been asked to sign off on the Agreement by October 31, 2011.

Clubs and their members are the cornerstone of the game from grass roots participation through to commercial revenue generation.

Clubs carry most of the fixed costs in the game and pay for and provide the assets which generate the material revenues in the game.

Collectively, our aim is to ensure that Clubs become financially viable to ensure sustainability so that future generations can enjoy the greatest game of all.

 

[El Diablo]

you can see how News Ltd have twisted this leaking the email to their papers and getting thir f**knut journos to report half a story

News Ltd are f**king scum

we saw that with News Of The World

 

[Beowulf]

2016 minimum and most likely 2018 before expansion becomes a feasible option.

I do admit that WA and a 2nd Brisbane team are the only choices.

Another NSW team will never and SHOULD never happen.

You are about to be proved wrong on all three points!

Expansion will take place in 2014 or 2015, or 1 new entrant in each.

CC Bears, Perth and even western corridor all have very strong and legitimate claims, and Central QLD aren't far behind - certainly ahead of the Bombers bid if its still around???!!!

Saying no to NSW bids forever is foolish - there will be new NSW teams entered in the future - hopefully very soon, just as its highly likely some existing NSW (and QLD) teams won't exist in 20 years time.....maybe even 1 years time. 90% of businesses fail eventually - and Clubs are no different.

Look at the past 30 years - Newtown, 4x Gold Coast, Reds, Rams, Mariners, 4x Gold Coast franchises, Crushers, Bears, Northern Eagles, Magpies, Balmain, St George, Steelers...I've probably forgotten a few along the way!

How many grants have Manly, Cronulla, Titans, Newcastle, Penrith, Canberra etc had to keep them afloat?

If the IC is truly Independent, they have a responsibility not to hold back the game to bail out poor products THAT HAVE NO REALISTIC LONG TERM PROSPECTS FOR GROWTH. If the IC won't encourage relocations or mergers there will be more crises' in the near future (economic most likely, or maybe political if the Pokie tax somehow gets up and Gillard is re-elected) that will do the job for them and claim more teams.

The only certainty is that there will be changes in the future.

 

[some11]

News is an evil corporation that should not be trusted. The only way to deal with such an organisation is to dictate terms to them.