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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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Raiderdave

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Rugby league fansalways crap on about "the game is a business" until it comes time to run it like a business.

In business, shite companies with minimal revenue, poor performance, bad management - they fall over, they shouldn't be protected. So - why not have a geuine criteria and review again - minus, of course, the protectionsim for News limited clubs like last time?

It's a business, isn't it?

you've contradicted yourself

they fall over .... they shouldn't be protected

who's protecting them ?
not the NRL buddy ..... if they can survive ... then they should be allowed to continue
if they can't .... they.. how'd you put it... fall over

nuff said
if they get by year to year ... then they stay in

criteria is BS ... & doesn't work
as we found out last time we tried this tripe.
 

afinalsin666

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Only way this could possibly work is if all 16 teams bailed. I don't know much about the SL war, because i was young, but i get the gist that it kinda sucked.

Full club exodus, no ties to either ARL or News. Ltd. I could get behind that.

Just curious, what clubs do New Ltd own?
 

franklin2323

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I think everyone expects the NRL grant to be around $6mill a year for clubs anyway if we get a $1bill deal so I am not sure why they are feeling the need to flex their muscles to two parties who won;t even be making that decision.

Why not get it confirmed now? I see no problem with it. The IC then knows it will shell out roughly $100m a season to the clubs. The rest is there's to go elsewhere
 

Raiderdave

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Impossible to kill it.

Very possible to get away with paying unders for it. Based on past form News will win out of all this, despite the threats and demands of the clubs. They wont stick together. Even now there is no unified front, with concerns that this will derail the "commission" as if that is more important than the teams people support.


rubbish
the clubs saw the path we were heading in... ie we were gunna get screwed again
& they stepped in to take News on

the ARL is a paper tiger ..
the clubs are not.

now we will get what we're worth as a result of this action ...
its ballsy & a massive gamlble yes
but it seems required to make sure we weren't done over ..... again.
 

Slackboy72

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Only way this could possibly work is if all 16 teams bailed. I don't know much about the SL war, because i was young, but i get the gist that it kinda sucked.

Full club exodus, no ties to either ARL or News. Ltd. I could get behind that.

Just curious, what clubs do New Ltd own?

50% of the broncos and 100% of the cheating $torm.
 

Slackboy72

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rubbish
the clubs saw the path we were heading in... ie we were gunna get screwed again
& they stepped in to take News on

the ARL is a paper tiger ..
the clubs are not.

now we will get what we're worth as a result of this action ...
its ballsy & a massive gamlble yes
but it seems required to make sure we weren't done over ..... again.

The big issue is who owns the rights to their own intellectual property.
That's why all the SL teams played in those awful SL jerseys.
If the clubs have control of that then see ya later rupert.
 

Beowulf

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The worst outcome for the game of RL is the 16 NRL Clubs running the game, having a monopoly on revenues and continuing to mismanage their own clubs and deny juniors and regional areas funds.....because thats what will happen - talk about wasted opportunity. Lets replace one ogre with an even bigger one!

The whole point of an IC is to remove agendas/control from self-interested parties such as News or the clubs and place the games control into impartial, professional administrators to run the overall game most efficiently and grow junior participation, regional development, expansion etc....AFL do it well with their IC.

So yay, today its sounds really cool to give News the bird - in the cold light of day, unless everyones prepared for Super League2, its a reckless gambit. News is a ruthless organisation and won't forget this, even if it is a bluff.
 

Goddo

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50% of the broncos and 100% of the cheating $torm.
I am pretty sure they own 66% of the Broncos, but were looking at selling a portion of that to get to 50%.

66% Broncos, 100% Storm as far as I can tell. There is a rule that they have to sell off one of the two because no one is allowed to own more than 1 club.
 

Perth Red

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Why not get it confirmed now? I see no problem with it. The IC then knows it will shell out roughly $100m a season to the clubs. The rest is there's to go elsewhere

Three reasons

1. It needs to be the IC's decision, and they aren;t yet running the game so can't possibly make it.
2. We don't know what the value of the next media deal will be. No business in its right mind would committ to an expenditure without knowing its income.
3. The NRL doesn't have the money to pay it in 2012

It's very bizarre the clubs are demandong this now, also pees me off they do it on the verge of the 4nations, when the media should be focussed on reporting what a great International series we have coming up all the chatter will be about this. Again the clubs putting themselves before the good of the game.

The best clubs can hope for is an idicative amount based on income projections but that wont be a guarantee.
 

taipan

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IMO an ambit claim by the clubs,intended as a bit of prodding wwith a sharp tool to get the i.c up and running and to ensure News is out of the equation.
if as stated there is only $18m in the NRL kitty,the clubs are Olympic class dopes if they believe they can secure $34m next year.
Try 2013 and they may have a chance.
The worry i have,if the clubs have too much power ,we are back to first base,grassroots is stuffed and intnl rl is on ther backburner.
Would all parties just get off their fat a*ses ,and solve the problem,the fans have had the jack of the whole shebang.
Just get those tight a*se News ltd to pay proper money for Fox and the FTA mob to do likewise.$1b minimum,nothing less from 2013.
 

Goddo

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NRL cash row: why clubs want bigger slice of the $140m pie

Cash-strapped NRL clubs are responsible for 95 per cent of the $140 million in revenue generated by the game, but say they receive less than half that amount.

It is one of the main reasons the clubs have been pushing so hard for an independent commission to take over the running of the code from News Ltd and the ARL and officials are fuming at claims in today's News Ltd's papers that they are the ones preventing the new body from starting on November 1.

"We wanted the Independent Commission in place on November 1 last year, not this year, so to try and blame us is a joke," one NRL club chairman told the Herald.

Fed up by the pace of change, and with even premiers Manly struggling financially, the clubs are refusing to renew membership agreements to play in next year's competition unless they receive a significant increase in their annual club grant from $3.85 million to $6 million.

News Ltd and the ARL, who between them have taken more than $224 million from the game in the 14-year existence of the NRL, won't hand over control to the independent commission until the clubs have signed the new contracts, agreeing to a specified amount for each year's grant.

As a last resort, the clubs may break away and start their own competition - a type of "reverse Super League", with the clubs breaking away from News Ltd.

It is an option that has been talked about for two years, with the Herald running a front page story on December 12, 2009 revealing that club officials were considering it as a possibility if the commission didn't come to fruition.

At the time, the clubs were hamstrung by their membership agreements that committed them to the NRL until the end of the 2011season.
Now those agreements have expired and even the News Ltd-owned Broncos and Storm are said to be united with the other 14 clubs - although the last time Melbourne directors went against the media company and challenged the penalties imposed for salary cap breaches they were sacked from the board.

The clubs believe that the game is being held back financially under the current ownership structure and the profits generated by the new body will rival AFL.

But even without making an extra cent, the game will immediately be better off as News and the ARL won't automatically be entitled to take out $8 million each every year.

The ARL's share is to pay for grass roots development and representative football and in recent seasons it has been taking $24 million per year out of the NRL kitty.

However, under the Independent Commission, there will be no ARL - just state bodies - and the streamlining of league's mutitple administrations should also result in massive savings.

The clubs, who collectively stand to lose $30 million for the season just finished without cash injections from leagues clubs and private owners, say they are entitled to that additional money.

After all, they argue, it is the clubs who pay the players and are responsible for all the associated expenses involved with putting a competitive NRL team on the field each week that now costs up to $25 million per year for the wealthiest clubs.

Clubs were told at the NRL's conference in July of plans to increase the annual grant to $7.2 million per year when the new television deal, which officials hope will be worth up to $1.4 billion over five years is finalised for the 2013 season.

But the clubs believe the annual grant needs to be significantly increased before then, and they say that all they have done is seek a funding increase in the same manner as the NSWRL or QRL would do.

There are a number of other issues to be resolved in the days before the independent commission is due to commence but the fact that an email sent by South Sydney chairman Nicholas Pappas on behalf of the clubs to News Ltd's Ian Phillip, ARL chief executive Geoff Carr, NRL chief executive David Gallop, QRL director Terry Mackenroth and chairman elect of the independent commission, John Grant found its way to News Ltd papers within hours and was described as a "ransom note" suggests yet another deadline is unlikely to be met.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...he-140m-pie-20111012-1lk85.html#ixzz1aWxmuCsa
 
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Rockin Ronny

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rubbish
the clubs saw the path we were heading in... ie we were gunna get screwed again
& they stepped in to take News on

the ARL is a paper tiger ..
the clubs are not.

now we will get what we're worth as a result of this action ...
its ballsy & a massive gamlble yes
but it seems required to make sure we weren't done over ..... again.

Bullshit.
Rugby league clubs are like the clubs industry - entitiis run by mostly incompetent overpaid hacks keen to line their own pockets regardless of how the game fares.

The Bears, an establishment club, were rorted in 1999 - and no club gave a toss. In fact, the clubs have since fought against a CC Bears team for over 10 years because they realise how strong it will be.

All I've heard over the last few years is the game is bigger, more popular than ever - yet 14 of the clubs are apparently running at a loss each year. What a disgrace!

As long as we have incompetent, self-interested idiots running the NRL and clubs, the game will continue to be News Limited's bitch.
 

Noa

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Only 4 comments published on the Daily Crap so far. Probably havent been going the way they wanted.
 

Raiderdave

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The worst outcome for the game of RL is the 16 NRL Clubs running the game, having a monopoly on revenues and continuing to mismanage their own clubs and deny juniors and regional areas funds.....because thats what will happen - talk about wasted opportunity. Lets replace one ogre with an even bigger one!

The whole point of an IC is to remove agendas/control from self-interested parties such as News or the clubs and place the games control into impartial, professional administrators to run the overall game most efficiently and grow junior participation, regional development, expansion etc....AFL do it well with their IC.

So yay, today its sounds really cool to give News the bird - in the cold light of day, unless everyones prepared for Super League2, its a reckless gambit. News is a ruthless organisation and won't forget this, even if it is a bluff.


cr@p

they don't want to run the game
but they will use their influence to see the IC is done right , without their action yesterday there was no one capable of stopping News doing the game over again

except them ... reckless ... phhttt please
it would have been reckless to stand by & allow the other path to be taken.

the Clubs have stood up for the game.... well done to them.
 

Perth Red

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News Ltd and the ARL, who between them have taken more than $224 million from the game

Have they really? Surely the money spent by News on the Storm and by the ARL on grass roots/Int etc RL is keeping most of that money "in the game"

Coupleo fo questions from that:

How will we save $30mill by not having the ARL? Surely most of the ARL's money is spent on RL? Or are they suggesting the IC won;t spend anything on what the ARL currently spends?

Secondly how the frick can it cost $25mill to run a RL club with a salary cap of less than $5mill?
 

Indelible

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Do we want a club like Cronulla or any of the other clubs running at a loss to make decisions for the game of Rugby League???? Fans own the game, not the clubs. Very hard to get a good grasp on the strategy being used here.
 

KeepingTheFaith

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The big issue is who owns the rights to their own intellectual property.
That's why all the SL teams played in those awful SL jerseys.
If the clubs have control of that then see ya later rupert.

Not the clubs. Maybe a couple, but that's it.

The clubs may be "solid", but they were "solid" for awhile back in the nineties too. Doesn't mean that every player is, and chances are they aren't.

If the clubs breakaway then most clubs will have to re-brand as they don't own the intellectual property.
 

Raiderdave

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Bullshit.
Rugby league clubs are like the clubs industry - entitiis run by mostly incompetent overpaid hacks keen to line their own pockets regardless of how the game fares.

The Bears, an establishment club, were rorted in 1999 - and no club gave a toss. In fact, the clubs have since fought against a CC Bears team for over 10 years because they realise how strong it will be.

All I've heard over the last few years is the game is bigger, more popular than ever - yet 14 of the clubs are apparently running at a loss each year. What a disgrace!

As long as we have incompetent, self-interested idiots running the NRL and clubs, the game will continue to be News Limited's bitch.

F off with your bears S.hit
they were the most incompetent club of them all .... the cry babies continue to blame everyone else for their right royal stuff up
the bears were a 3 ringed circus & got what they deserved.


clubs are losing a bit of dough .... so what
they keep turning up each year ... & will continue to do so til such time as they can't ...
til then
no to any F'd up criteria BS ... Like I said
we learnt our lesson here ... we won't make that mistake again.;-)
 
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