RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[Rockin Ronny]

F off with your bears S.hit
they were the most incompetent club of them all .... the cry babies continue to blame everyone else for their right royal stuff up
the bears were a 3 ringed circus & got what they deserved.


clubs are losing a bit of dough .... so what
they keep turning up each year ... & will continue to do so til such time as they can't ...
til then
no to any F'd up criteria BS ... Like I said
we learnt our lesson here ... we won't make that mistake again.;-)

You ignorant News limited stooge.

Arko sold off TV rights to CH9 for zilch whilst ensuring his broke Manly survived.

the msitake was that rugby league ultimatelywas run by ignorant softcoks like you.

If you are the asset and own the asset - the "game" - which TV stations need, then you don't put yourself under the control of the buyer whose desperate to control you.

You're a canberra bloke - stick to porn and bad politics - it's all you superleague idiots know.

 

[ozjet1]

The worst outcome for the game of RL is the 16 NRL Clubs running the game, having a monopoly on revenues and continuing to mismanage their own clubs and deny juniors and regional areas funds.....because thats what will happen - talk about wasted opportunity. Lets replace one ogre with an even bigger one!

The whole point of an IC is to remove agendas/control from self-interested parties such as News or the clubs and place the games control into impartial, professional administrators to run the overall game most efficiently and grow junior participation, regional development, expansion etc....AFL do it well with their IC.

So yay, today its sounds really cool to give News the bird - in the cold light of day, unless everyones prepared for Super League2, its a reckless gambit. News is a ruthless organisation and won't forget this, even if it is a bluff.

priority number 1 is to get News Ltd out of the position of influence in Rugby League in this country. Any future commission will be independent in name only under the current arrangement. their involvement is toxic. Their objectives are not aligned with those of the other key stakeholders in the game. This is why this setup is dysfunctional.

once they're out, we can consider criteria for continued participation in the league.

 

[franklin2323]

Three reasons

2. We don't know what the value of the next media deal will be. No business in its right mind would committ to an expenditure without knowing its income.
3. The NRL doesn't have the money to pay it in 2012

The best clubs can hope for is an idicative amount based on income projections but that wont be a guarantee.

The IC won't undersell the game if they know they are up for $100m pa just to the clubs.

Even $800m over 5 years gives the IC $300m to spend elsewhere. Then SOO and Finals revenue. Naming rights sponsorship. The money will be there if they need to get it. This current $500m for 6 years is pathetic this way the game will get what it's worth.

I am sure some payment arrangement can be reached once the terms are agreed to.

Payments based on payment projections is easy to rort. All the NRL needs to is delay signing sponsorship contracts. Say we lost a few sponsors so it's less. Pay the clubs then suddenly extra money is found. If the NRL has a good year they get the balance.

 

[hitman82]

Have they really? Surely the money spent by News on the Storm and by the ARL on grass roots/Int etc RL is keeping most of that money "in the game"

Coupleo fo questions from that:

How will we save $30mill by not having the ARL? Surely most of the ARL's money is spent on RL? Or are they suggesting the IC won;t spend anything on what the ARL currently spends?

Secondly how the frick can it cost $25mill to run a RL club with a salary cap of less than $5mill?

Enormous behind the scenes costs.
A legion of staff, high-tech training facilities, property lease, travel, promotions, jet boats... etc

 

[Raiderdave]

You ignorant News limited stooge.

Arko sold off TV rights to CH9 for zilch whilst ensuring his broke Manly survived.

the msitake was that rugby league ultimatelywas run by ignorant softcoks like you.

If you are the asset and own the asset - the "game" - which TV stations need, then you don't put yourself under the control of the buyer whose desperate to control you.

You're a canberra bloke - stick to porn and bad politics - it's all you superleague idiots know.

Im an ignorant News/ superleague Stooge am I :sarcasm:
theres no bigger a critic of that empire of evil then myself you wombat

you keep telling yourself your beloved bears were screwed
they weren't
in reality they were always destined for the scrap heap as they couldn't organise a root in a brothel

they made the present day Sharks look like BHP Billiton
a pox we're well rid of ;-)

 

[Perth Red]

Enormous behind the scenes costs.
A legion of staff, high-tech training facilities, property lease, travel, promotions, jet boats... etc

Makes me laugh, Manly are one of those claiming poor yet have just offered Hasler $1mill a year to stay on as coach. Here's an idea clubs, don't spend money unless you have it!

Everyone seems to think the clubs are morally right here based on a desire to see the News Ltd blight out of our game, well unless I am reading it wrong there was nothing in that email other than we want a guaranteed amount of grant and now.

If I was News I would approach the 16 clubs and offer them their $7mill guaranteed grant a year if they joined my new comp. and would own NRL again.

If I was ARL I would be very worried, as a fan I am soooo over it!

 

[El Diablo]

found its way to News Ltd papers within hours and was described as a "ransom note"

proof that news ltd cannot be trusted

 

[Goddo]

Makes me laugh, Manly are one of those claiming poor yet have just offered Hasler $1mill a year to stay on as coach. Here's an idea clubs, don't spend money unless you have it!

Everyone seems to think the clubs are morally right here based on a desire to see the News Ltd blight out of our game, well unless I am reading it wrong there was nothing in that email other than we want a guaranteed amount of grant and now.

If I was News I would approach the 16 clubs and offer them their $7mill guaranteed grant a year if they joined my new comp. and would own NRL again.

If I was ARL I would be very worried, as a fan I am soooo over it!

Stop taking the email at face value, and think about the issues going on in the game. You don't seem to grasp the context it has been sent in.

 

[El Diablo]

Only 4 comments published on the Daily Crap so far. Probably havent been going the way they wanted.

i'd say so

they would probably exclude any negativity coming their way and not allow those comments

 

[ozjet1]

off-topic delete

 

[ozjet1]

poll on SMH has just 650 respondents, but shows the sentiment so far.

f**k OFF NEWS LTD.

 

[Perth Red]

Stop taking the email at face value, and think about the issues going on in the game. You don't seem to grasp the context it has been sent in.

Really? You can read whatever context you want, nobody knows except the 16 clubs what the context of it is. Now if they had sent an email demanding the IC be in place before the end of 2011 and requesting that an in principal agreement on club funding grants be signed for 2013 onwards then I would think it is a great move by the clubs to secure the future of the game and themselves. As it is, it wasn't and simply asks for clubs to be given more money asap. Any other context you want to put it in is merely supposition.

ps if clubs want News out of the picture so badly why did they offer no disagreement to Gallop getting the CEO position guaranteed for 5 years?

 

[rednblack]

why would that happen ?

seriously
you think the clubs would close State of Origin down ? :roll:
what utter nonsense

I don't think the clubs are looking to run the game.

they want control of the game removed from News Ltd & suspect a rat in the present dealings

this is their way of forcing the hand of everyone to get this IC done.
that is all.

If news call their bluff
we'll have a new comp in 2012.... & this won't be a war like 1997
because all 16 clubs are in agreement this time
they are united as will their fans be behind them

they are standing up for themselves yes ... but in effect are standing up for the game too
I applaud them for it.

In addition, you'd have to expect that the clubs individually won't RUN the game. There would still need to be a "governing body" of sorts to deal with major things like media rights, revenue distribution, competition structure, scheduling, even referee appointments and judicial hearings. To this end, the clubs may appoint an inaugural committee or the like, in the same vein as the inaugural IC is expected, however the day-to-day running of our game, and in particular the premier competition, could not possibly be run directly by the clubs.

Anyone can gather a collection of teams and start a competition - it happens in lunch-hours everywhere. This would be no different, just on a much larger scale.

If the clubs collectively believe that they can effectively disband the NRL as we currently see it, and create their own governing body for the sport in this country, then more power to them!

 

[Parra]

rubbish
the clubs saw the path we were heading in... ie we were gunna get screwed again
& they stepped in to take News on

the ARL is a paper tiger ..
the clubs are not.

now we will get what we're worth as a result of this action ...
its ballsy & a massive gamlble yes
but it seems required to make sure we weren't done over ..... again.

What is rubbish?

The statement that the game is impossible to kill?
The idea that it is possible to get away with paying unders for it?
The idea that based on past form News will win out of all this?
The idea that clubs wont stick together?


Recent history proves that every one of those statements is true.

Nothing has changed to indicate that things are any different this time around.

Remember the 'loyalty agreements' and the clubs who signed them knowing they were already committed to 'Star League'?

 

[Perth Red]

If the clubs collectively believe that they can effectively disband the NRL as we currently see it, and create their own governing body for the sport in this country, then more power to them!

The problem is they don't want to govern "the sport", they want to govern themselves. RL is like a pyramid with the NRL the top 1%. Yes it brings in all the money but without the other 99% of the sport providing its foundation it would soon crumble.

Orwell's animal farm springs to mind!

 

[Noa]

Not the clubs. Maybe a couple, but that's it.

The clubs may be "solid", but they were "solid" for awhile back in the nineties too. Doesn't mean that every player is, and chances are they aren't.

If the clubs breakaway then most clubs will have to re-brand as they don't own the intellectual property.

Different times. Any club that followed NEWS now is basically saying I dont want to exist as an entity.

 

[NRL-TGG]

ps if clubs want News out of the picture so badly why did they offer no disagreement to Gallop getting the CEO position guaranteed for 5 years?

Gallop is the right man for the job.

 

[Slackboy72]

Have they really? Surely the money spent by News on the Storm and by the ARL on grass roots/Int etc RL is keeping most of that money "in the game"

Coupleo fo questions from that:

How will we save $30mill by not having the ARL? Surely most of the ARL's money is spent on RL? Or are they suggesting the IC won;t spend anything on what the ARL currently spends?

Secondly how the frick can it cost $25mill to run a RL club with a salary cap of less than $5mill?

Your top 25 players $5,000k
Your TYC team $1,200k
Coaching Staff $1,000k
Behind the scenes staff Physios/Trainers/Video Assistants $1,500k-$2,000k
Diet requirements $500k-$1,000k
Scouting and recruitment $1,000-$3,000k
Rental of grounds $1,000k-$2,000k
Gameday admin Merchandise/Ticketing/Security $1,500k-$2,500k
Transport costs $1,500k
Training facilities costs Equipment/Maintenance/Rent $2,000k-$3,000k
Cost of goods sold Merchandise/Food/Drink $5,000k-$7,000k
Cocaine and botox for cheerleaders $don't ask.

 

[El Diablo]

http://www.news.com.au/suggestions-...oard-member-says/story-e6frf3ou-1226164899986

Suggestions of a breakaway NRL competition is a misrepresentation, Wests Tigers board member says

By staff writers
FOX SPORTS
October 12, 2011 2:00PM

To suggest that demands made by the NRL clubs will lead to a competition breakaway is a misrepresentation of what’s happened, says Wests Tigers board member David Trodden.

An email sent by South Sydney chairman Nick Pappas, on behalf of the clubs, insisted on an increase to annual grants to the 16 clubs before they sign their 2012 licence agreements.

News reports surfaced on Wednesday morning that the independent commission could collapse, and that a breakaway competition could form.

Trodden told Fox Sports News that wasn’t the case.

"The suggestion that there will be a breakaway ... is a real misrepresentation of what’s happened," Trodden told Fox Sports News.

"What’s happened is the clubs were presented with two documents ... required for the formation of the Independent Commission.

"One of them is the club licence agreement, which contains details with funding the clubs will get for next six years of the licence agreement.

"All the clubs have done is provide commentary on the adequacy or otherwise of the proposed funding under that agreement."

Watch David Trodden's full response in the video at the top of the page.

Trodden said that the email was simply a case of club bosses identifying the most serious issue in the game, and aiming to do something about it.

"14 out of 16 clubs are making losses ... amounting to about $30 million dollars," Trodden said.

"For any business, that’s not sustainable.

"The simple point clubs have made is that as a business model that can’t continue. Clubs need to be financially viable. It’s an issue that needs to be addressed.

"Anything beyond that is people jumping to conclusions they shouldn’t jump to."

Trodden stopped short of asserting that a breakaway competition would never happen, but he cautioned against any speculation of that nature.

"What we’ve done is to respond to draft agreements. Before anyone comments on the response, it’s premature to be speculating on anything else," he said.

"It’s dangerous to be engaging in that speculation."

 

[Quidgybo]

In addition, you'd have to expect that the clubs individually won't RUN the game. There would still need to be a "governing body" of sorts to deal with major things like media rights, revenue distribution, competition structure, scheduling, even referee appointments and judicial hearings. To this end, the clubs may appoint an inaugural committee or the like, in the same vein as the inaugural IC is expected, however the day-to-day running of our game, and in particular the premier competition, could not possibly be run directly by the clubs.

If the clubs break away and form their own Commission, offer the eight positions to the current eight Commissioners-elect on the same terms including the Independence to choose their own replacements going forward, where would that leave us? A clean slate with News, the NRL, ARL, QRL, NSWRL, CRL, Nine, Telstra, Foxtel, Gallop, Harrigan, all on the outside. The big problems would be intellectual property (ie. branding), no existing contract for major revenue streams (ie. television rights), no organization to run it (ie. no CEO, no referees, no marketing), and a schism with the grassroots (ie. no funding agreeement for the NSWRL and the QRL), all with a new season coming down the barrel in just four months. It'd be a rough and damaging year.

Leigh.