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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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Goddo

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But there in lies the problem! Giving all clubs an extra $3mill a year won;t make a bit of diference to their sustainability long term if they keep spending what they haven't got to keep pace.

As I said there are only three answers:
1. You subsidise clubs with lower incomes so they can compete without going broke aka the AFL ticket levy model
2. You cut teams that can't reach a certain income level and replace them with clubs that can
3. Poorer Clubs find ways to increase their incomes to catch up to richer clubs

Giving all clubs an extra $X amount of a year will make NO DIFFERENCE!

It will if it covers all player payments. Some clubs will still be foolish and get into debt competing with off field stuff, but they make their own nest. Maybe a coaching staff cap based on club non-TV rights revenue would be apropriate. Bigger clubs would be at an advantage, but it wouldn't be that significant.

But if you think the clubs getting a better share of the revenue is bad you are an idiot. The game is under paid, and the only part of the game wearing this loss is the clubs. They have every right to expect better from the governing body.
 
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but football clubs will need to be sustainable from their own football activities and not the activities of the leagues club,

that is the reason the clubs are around, to support the football teams. Leagues club(support rugby league)
 
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It will if it covers all player payments. Some clubs will still be foolish and get into debt competing with off field stuff, but they make their own nest. Maybe a coaching staff cap based on club non-TV rights revenue would be apropriate. Bigger clubs would be at an advantage, but it wouldn't be that significant.

But if you think the clubs getting a better share of the revenue is bad you are an idiot. The game is under paid, and the only part of the game wearing this loss is the clubs. They have every right to expect better from the governing body.


The only part of the game that is under-funded is the NRL clubs?!?!

You are kidding right?
 

Perth Red

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It will if it covers all player payments. Some clubs will still be foolish and get into debt competing with off field stuff, but they make their own nest. Maybe a coaching staff cap based on club non-TV rights revenue would be apropriate. Bigger clubs would be at an advantage, but it wouldn't be that significant.

But if you think the clubs getting a better share of the revenue is bad you are an idiot. The game is under paid, and the only part of the game wearing this loss is the clubs. They have every right to expect better from the governing body.

I never said its a bad thing, and is there need for the insult? I said it wouldn't make much difference to the clubs bottom lines. Currently all clubs earn enough from football operations alone to pay the salaries of all players and coaching staff. It is in paying for all the other stuff to keep them competitive that they are coming unstuck.

Penrith who would be one of the poorer clubs before Leagues grant get $12.5mill from football operations alone. That should be enough to cover player and coaching appointments. The difficulty is that someone like Brisbane has $20mill from football operations so can spend that extra $7mill on all the other stuff that makes them a competitive team year in and year out. Giving Brisbane $3mill more to spend and penrith $3mill to spend doesn't make any difference if Penrith still want to be competitive, they will still be playing ctach up and relying on their Leagues grant to help them do that.

Manly could take the $3mill and not rely on private owner grants but it would only push them back to the middle of the pack, owners might be happy to not be spending but then again they could refuse to spend now and Manly wouldn't go bust, they would just become mediocre.

no easy answers but if people think just increasing the NRL grant solves all the problem they are kidding themselves. I hope clubs get more money and use it wisely, just as I hope the WARL gets more of the pie, along with all the other levels of the game that could benefit from it.
 

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True enough. Manly have to spend above its earn to survive. With no sponsors, fans limited to an ageing population on an isolated strip of land containing only 250K people, universally disliked outside their enclave and having a decaying stadium and few junior teams (only Watmough left of local products through their system), unless they are top 4 every year and packing out Brookvale they are screwed. With Dessie going and probably a few of the key players as well, it will be tough for them more than any other team. Whilst ever they exist, they will be treading water at best financially and relying on handouts.

Great football operation however (at least until 2 weeks ago), I concede.
Tell that to Jason King, Vic Mauro, Michael Oldfield and Darcy Lussick.

There are some, if not that many.
 

rednblack

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A thought. The clubs are claiming this is how much they need so they can all break even. Assuming the money could be found, perhaps the NRL should respond with an offer that would see the top 10 financially performing clubs break even and leave it to the remaining clubs to pick up their act. Any extra-ordinary grant increase should be to underpin the financial stability of the competition as a whole, not abrogate the responsibility of poorly managed clubs to get their own houses in order or pursue other initiatives to increase revenues (ie. memberships, attendences etc).

Leigh.

So the rich get richer, while the poor get... well ... Nothing?
 

rednblack

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I never said its a bad thing, and is there need for the insult? I said it wouldn't make much difference to the clubs bottom lines. Currently all clubs earn enough from football operations alone to pay the salaries of all players and coaching staff. It is in paying for all the other stuff to keep them competitive that they are coming unstuck.

Penrith who would be one of the poorer clubs before Leagues grant get $12.5mill from football operations alone. That should be enough to cover player and coaching appointments. The difficulty is that someone like Brisbane has $20mill from football operations so can spend that extra $7mill on all the other stuff that makes them a competitive team year in and year out. Giving Brisbane $3mill more to spend and penrith $3mill to spend doesn't make any difference if Penrith still want to be competitive, they will still be playing ctach up and relying on their Leagues grant to help them do that.

Manly could take the $3mill and not rely on private owner grants but it would only push them back to the middle of the pack, owners might be happy to not be spending but then again they could refuse to spend now and Manly wouldn't go bust, they would just become mediocre.

no easy answers but if people think just increasing the NRL grant solves all the problem they are kidding themselves. I hope clubs get more money and use it wisely, just as I hope the WARL gets more of the pie, along with all the other levels of the game that could benefit from it.

I agree with Perth Red on this one. An across-the-board increase in grant is not the way to go. Sure it'll come in handy for some clubs more than others, but it won't, CAN'T, level the playing field.

Having said that, the playing field never WILL be level. If the NRL were to agree to subsidise clubs that can't find their own cash through sponsorships etc to a certain threshold, then the clubs will just stop looking for more sponsors, safe in the knowledge that they'll have their shortfall made up by the governing body.

The clubs SHOULD be required to fund all of their own operations. If they can't afford new tackle bags for training, go find a sponsor to buy them. Can't afford an editor to compile DVD footage for review at training? Go and find a cheaper alternative, or get a keen TAFE student on intern rates. If they can't afford to run their OWN administrations, then they'll have to either cut back in outgoings, find cheaper suppliers/alternatives, choose to go into short-term debt, or simply learn to go without!

If my business running costs go up, I need to find the cash myself to cover them. I don't get a handout just so tat I can be competitive! Nor should an NRL team.

If a team can't keep it's own head above water, then the rules of attrition should take their natural course. A minimum criteria for ALL clubs would help minimize the risk of losing a club, since they would have to prove their self-sufficiency. Any who cannot prove this will be exposed as bad business risks, and abandoned as such if required.
 

ozjet1

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I am with you Jason I never understand the argument clubs should get rid of leagues club grants.

Leagues club its pretty simple???

keep the leagues clubs and their grants. im not saying they should be taken away. theyre just not going to be able to match the continued rise in the costs of operating a national rugby league team. football clubs will increasingly need to be able to cover the costs of football from football itself to remain competitive.

if leagues clubs were accepted as the saviour of football clubs, then they should be looking at expansion areas based on the potential growth of gamblers and drinkers, and not football markets.
 

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All this comes down to the fact that some teams will have a natural advantage compared to others. Brisbane, being a 1 team town, will have access to more revenue compared to the multitude of teams in Sydney. Unless some Sydney teams fall by the wayside, merge or relocate, we will have the same issues coming up time and time again.

Once the IC is up and running, I say it will be time for tough decisions to be made for the good of the NRL as a whole, even if it does cause pain for some individual clubs and their fans.
 

Lockyer4President!

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The next few years are the perfect time to encourage relocation for one weak Syd team and expand. You will never have a 100% secure business like someone earlier claimed we should try and achieve first.
If the people who are advocating raising the club grants at the expense of expansion we running the game in the 1800's/early 1900's then we'd never have seen Rugby League spread outside of the UK.


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If there is even the slightest problem with the Sharks development they have to go.

Cronulla is a f**king cancer on this league and are holding everyone else back. There are teams like the Reds and Bears who undoubtedly have more to offer the NRL and the game as a whole who are being knocked back just so these morons can waste more f**king money on their shit underachieving team, shit corrupt club, shit and absolutely pissweak fans and shit third world stadium.

No hate, just saying.
 

CC_Roosters

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The 2SM boys have done a good job pointing out the telegraphs lies and exaggerations this week.

Im sick of the morons at News and their agendas. It wont happen, but im starting to hope the clubs did breakaway to rid rugby league of those who have held the game back and profited from it in the last 15 years.
 

Nice Beaver

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A thought. The clubs are claiming this is how much they need so they can all break even. Assuming the money could be found, perhaps the NRL should respond with an offer that would see the top 10 financially performing clubs break even and leave it to the remaining clubs to pick up their act. Any extra-ordinary grant increase should be to underpin the financial stability of the competition as a whole, not abrogate the responsibility of poorly managed clubs to get their own houses in order or pursue other initiatives to increase revenues (ie. memberships, attendences etc).

Leigh.

Nice in theory but I think you'll find the majority of those top 10 would fall outside of the Sydney area? A little bit easier to generate corporate dollars and supporter income if you are not competing against other NRL teams in close proximity.
And yes, I'm sure now we'll hear the "well then its natural selection and the Sydney teams drop out" crap:roll:
Demographics of the area and geography in general will dictate the financial performance of a team. Not necessarily those that are running the club. Granted a great administration will certainly improve revenue streams, but they cannot do the impossible which some teams are faced with.
There is no easy fix to the problem, but increasing the grants to assist the lower income generating clubs has to be a start. If they then continue to flounder, yes hard choices need to be made. But lets give some of these clubs a chance to function under an increased grant system.
 
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El Diablo

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lets just hope when we are from news that the IC tells clubs to avoid dickheads like Webster and co

don't give wankers like that any stories
 

applesauce

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Lol'd at the CM today when they tried to claim the "clubs ransom" reporting from the FAIRFAX papers was way off the mark... :roll:
 
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If there is even the slightest problem with the Sharks development they have to go.

Cronulla is a f**king cancer on this league and are holding everyone else back. There are teams like the Reds and Bears who undoubtedly have more to offer the NRL and the game as a whole who are being knocked back just so these morons can waste more f**king money on their shit underachieving team, shit corrupt club, shit and absolutely pissweak fans and shit third world stadium.

No hate, just saying.

eat a bag of dicks f**kwad.

were here to stay. just to shit you.

no hate. lol

pissweak fans. our fans stick solid with absolutely NO INCENTIVE.
none. theyve given us nothing and we are still standing strong and fighting off jizzrags like you that have it easy because you support a 1 town super team with infinite money. you can say were holding the game back but i dont see how we are stopping the broncos making money and winning infinitum. our membership is up 2 years in a row. we are fighting for our futures and the fans are actively involved in that.

as for "problems with the development"
its currently up for public comment. ending in DEC. decision march.
 
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sharko

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It is quite obvious that a rival media organisation has tapped the CEOs of all existing NRL clubs and said, " your guys produce the highest rating tv on free to air and pay tv, and yet most of you are still in the red whilst the companies that own and brodacast your games are making a staggering amount due to the cheap price they brought you at some years ago. Here is a deal, back my bid and I guarantee each club the $6 million they need a year to run a squad and their juniors!"

Now who do you think has the money and tv access to make that happen.

Does Kerry Stokes ring a bell?

News Ltd have the shytes because there is a genuine competitor out there who can match them dollar for dollar.
 
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