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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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ozjet1

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the only way the extra funding will work is if the NRL controls where it goes ... not the clubs
ie ... the clubs come to the NRL with their invoices ... & the NRL pays them
that way you can be assured the clubs with poor business practices don't see the money as a hand out & piss it up against the wall trying to get a jump on their rivals

i can just imagine how clubs would abuse this system with bogus invoices and payments, etc.

the NRL f**ked up here. they undersold the current broadcast rights. this is a competition asset, and without the clubs there is no competition. the clubs put their faith in the competition administrator to maximise the value of all assets, but a key stakeholder with different objectives - and had a conflict of interest with them also owning part of one of the broadcasters - to the rest of the stakeholders, wanted to make money for themselves rather than put it into the game.

many of you think the NRL grant is a gift. it's not. the clubs are the ones generating this revenue. the clubs are paying the costs for the product we see every week in the autumn and winter. the NRL negotiates the sale of this broadcast asset (and totally f**ked it), receives & holds the revenue on behalf of the clubs in trust, and distributes it. without these clubs, then the NRL is worthless. let the merkins reinstate the adelaide rams and hunter mariners and see how far they get.
 

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The next few years are the perfect time to encourage relocation for one weak Syd team and expand. You will never have a 100% secure business like someone earlier claimed we should try and achieve first.
If the people who are advocating raising the club grants at the expense of expansion we running the game in the 1800's/early 1900's then we'd never have seen Rugby League spread outside of the UK.


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If there is even the slightest problem with the Sharks development they have to go.

Cronulla is a f**king cancer on this league and are holding everyone else back. There are teams like the Reds and Bears who undoubtedly have more to offer the NRL and the game as a whole who are being knocked back just so these morons can waste more f**king money on their shit underachieving team, shit corrupt club, shit and absolutely pissweak fans and shit third world stadium.

No hate, just saying.

What a load of shit.. If we're gonna start following those bullshit criterias, how about we start by getting rid of such a turd like yourself off the forum for being the biggest pissweak arsehole fan on here?
 

Raiderdave

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i can just imagine how clubs would abuse this system with bogus invoices and payments, etc.

the NRL f**ked up here. they undersold the current broadcast rights. this is a competition asset, and without the clubs there is no competition. the clubs put their faith in the competition administrator to maximise the value of all assets, but a key stakeholder with different objectives - and had a conflict of interest with them also owning part of one of the broadcasters - to the rest of the stakeholders, wanted to make money for themselves rather than put it into the game.

many of you think the NRL grant is a gift. it's not. the clubs are the ones generating this revenue. the clubs are paying the costs for the product we see every week in the autumn and winter. the NRL negotiates the sale of this broadcast asset (and totally f**ked it), receives & holds the revenue on behalf of the clubs in trust, and distributes it. without these clubs, then the NRL is worthless. let the merkins reinstate the adelaide rams and hunter mariners and see how far they get.


I think we're all across how we got diddeld in the last TV deal

the noise being made ATM by everyone from Clubs to fans ... & the gob smacking TV figures our code is producing will ensure we get what we're worth from 2013 onward

thats just the start of the battle though to ensure our more then doubling overnight of revenue is not squanderd .. & this next deal sets our code up for the next 20 years
 

Perth Red

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That's the worry with NRL club influence, we should be future proofing the game, expanding our boundaries and really growing our grass roots with this windfall. I just hope the people chosen for the IC have a strong vision and strategy plan for how to maximise all this money to really push RL to the undisputed number one code across the country. Exciting times ahead!
 

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the only way the extra funding will work is if the NRL controls where it goes ... not the clubs
ie ... the clubs come to the NRL with their invoices ... & the NRL pays them
that way you can be assured the clubs with poor business practices don't see the money as a hand out & piss it up against the wall trying to get a jump on their rivals

But if the clubs know that they can just hand their invoices to the NRL for payment, won't they just buy up big?
They need to be responsible for their own finances, and they need to face up to the inevitable consequences of poor financial management.

The clubs all deserve their share, no argument, but they also have the responsibility to manage that share suitably. And if they feel they don't have enough, then they need to go out and find more funds, or manage their budgets to better effect.

I'd argue that your idea would only further the mismanagement that we currently see from some clubs, as they KNOW that they'll be bailed out.
 

Raiderdave

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But if the clubs know that they can just hand their invoices to the NRL for payment, won't they just buy up big?
They need to be responsible for their own finances, and they need to face up to the inevitable consequences of poor financial management.

The clubs all deserve their share, no argument, but they also have the responsibility to manage that share suitably. And if they feel they don't have enough, then they need to go out and find more funds, or manage their budgets to better effect.

I'd argue that your idea would only further the mismanagement that we currently see from some clubs, as they KNOW that they'll be bailed out.

we're only talking about the grant
so theres a limit to the numb of invoices that it will pay

the NRL could build in incentives into this system
if you only spend half your grant ... the balance is held over ... & this balance increased by 50 cents in the dollar

this will gives clubs the incentive to improve their business practises & increase their revenue ... so they spend less of their grant , & this sits there growing as a future fund for them so they can invest in any number of things .... or an emergency fund for them if a few lean years see their revenue drop for a while
 

rednblack

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we're only talking about the grant
so theres a limit to the numb of invoices that it will pay

the NRL could build in incentives into this system
if you only spend half your grant ... the balance is held over ... & this balance increased by 50 cents in the dollar

this will gives clubs the incentive to improve their business practises & increase their revenue ... so they spend less of their grant , & this sits there growing as a future fund for them so they can invest in any number of things .... or an emergency fund for them if a few lean years see their revenue drop for a while

True and fair points.
However, if the clubs want to exist as individual businesses, (not just effectively as "departments" within the NRL parent company), then they should all be allowed to prosper (or otherwise) on their own.

If a club has the ability to manage their finances well enough that they have money left over at the end of the year, then it should be sitting in THEIR bank accounts, not the NRL's trust. And the issue would still remain, that some clubs would simply over-spend. Would the NRL then extend their generosity to cover the shortfall, or would they just let the club die? If they did the latter, it would be claimed that the NRL - not the individual club - was responsible for the fiscal mismanagement, and the subsequent loss of that club. I can't see the NRL wanting to stick their neck on that particular chopping block, for fear of the potential bad press they would receive.

I'm also assuming here, but if the operational costs of the football team are currently being met by private backers and sponsors, ticketing and memberships etc, then all this cash would have to be taken AWAY from the club (in order for the NRL to manage those funds on behalf of the club).
If this all just goes effectively into a communal pool, with which the NRL intends to settle each clubs' operating costs, then surely there would be great animosity between clubs regarding the division of those funds. Some clubs who don't attract the same level of income as others, will inevitably argue for more of the available funds in order to gain some financial ground against the better performing clubs. Likewise, those "richer" clubs will never want THEIR sponsorship dollars going to anyone else.
And if it were just a case of the NRL holding on to what each respective club can earn, then all we've done is turn the NRL into a bank - only there to "hold the money". Any interest on these deposits should be going back to the club, not being swallowed by the NRL. The clubs would be better off (and I dare say, would PREFER) not being micro-managed by the NRL.

Like I said, if we want a competition where the clubs have no autonomy, then I'm sure this would work. But if clubs are to run their own affairs, make their own appointments, and find their own sponsors, (ie: run their own BUSINESSES) then having the NRL in charge of every cent can never work. There is simply no incentive for a club (as a business).

Your point, however, about incentives for NOT spending money IS a valid one. Much like if you or I make voluntary contributions to our super fund, we get a bonus from the federal government. Likewise, if clubs can show that they are investing WISELY, spending below a preset threshold, or generating additional income from internal initiatives (such as memberships) without the direct assistance of the NRL, then I see no harm in the NRL giving them a "bonus" in the same way - like you suggested, something like 50 cents in the dollar. This avenue (or something like it) should definitely be explored as a possible inclusion by the clubs in their licensing agreements. No argument from me on that front - this really WOULD be a proper, tangible incentive for a club to tighten their purse strings and control their cash reserves effectively.
 

Red&BlackBear

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Like I've been saying.. give the clubs the grants if and only if they meet a criteria. Review all aspects of every club and then determine which clubs meet the minimum standard. If they can not meet that, if their management is so out of wack and their resources spread thin due to mismanagement. Then too bad so sad. Clubs which are in strife now, will be in strife in 5, 10, 15 years. It's inevitable, it's intergrated into the very fabric of these clubs to be poorly managed, regardless who is managing them.

Give the clubs an ultimatum. Grow yourselves and self sustain yourselves or we'll spend that money else where it's more needed. I don't want to see other fans lose their teams but if their teams are holding the progress and growth of the code back then that's the way it has to be. The fact that some QLD and NSW cup clubs are in a better financial position then some NRL clubs is humiliating.
 

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...f-nrl-commission/story-e6frg7mf-1226167115535

Monday meeting crucial to future of NRL commission

by: Brent Read
From: The Australian
October 15, 2011 12:00AM

THE immediate future of the independent commission is likely to hinge on a series of meetings early next week, the most important involving the chief executives and the chairmen of the game's 16 clubs on Monday morning.

Club bosses have been called to a summit to discuss their demands for greater funding for next season -- a request that threatens the start date of the commission, the immediate future of the NRL competition and the ability of some clubs to pay their bills.

The talks have been initiated by Wests Tigers director David Trodden, a spokesman for the clubs and a member of the eight-person sub-committee formed to protect and push their interests as the game makes the transition to the commission. Trodden sent an email to club chief executives and chairmen on Thursday night asking them to attend a meeting at the Australian Rugby League's Phillip Street headquarters on October 24 to "bring everyone up to date with the current situation and discuss likely developments".

Trodden described the issues as of "fundamental importance". A second email yesterday brought the meeting forward to Monday.

The meeting is pivotal for the commission, which was due to take over running of the game from News Limited and the Australian Rugby League on November 1. In addition, the clubs are refusing to sign agreements to join the NRL next season. These agreements were due to be returned to the game's governing body on the same date.

Without those agreements in place, the commission remains in limbo and clubs face having their funding cut off by the NRL. While some may be able to absorb a financial hit in the short term, for others it may be a death sentence.

The NRL is unlikely to take such a drastic step but there is no masking the importance of the coming week for the game and the commission. Sydney Roosters chief executive Steve Noyce confirmed he would attend the meeting and said he was confident the commission would still go ahead.

"I think everyone knows how supportive the clubs are of the independent commission," Noyce said. "The clubs have been working towards it for the last couple of years and remain keen and committed to having the independent commission up and running.

"I'm sure it will happen."

News Limited has already said it is happy to consider and discuss any sensible proposal raised by the clubs. By any standard, the clubs' demand for $34 million without explaining where that money would come from does not fall into that category.

Before the commission and the game can move forward, ground is likely to be given on both sides. Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine has already come forward with a counter-proposal. Rather than an across-the-board funding boost next season, Irvine has advocated a pool of money be made available for clubs to individually apply for assistance.

In essence, it would replicate the AFL's "future fund", which allocates extra money to clubs for specific needs such as debt reduction and growth. The AFL is budgeting on $144m over the life of its current television deal, which runs until the end of 2016.

The concept is designed to reduce the gap between the haves and the have-nots. Over the next three years, the AFL will give the Western Bulldogs and North Melbourne $7m more than some of their more profitable rivals.

The money comes with a catch. The clubs must specify how it will be spent and run the risk of having it taken away if they fall short of standards set by the AFL.

The NRL, rather than prop up clubs, would prefer they relocate and accept a lump sum payment.

That could change if the game receives a sudden influx of cash through the next broadcasting deal, which runs from 2013.
 

Lockyer4President!

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How many other NRL football teams in Townsville?

How many millions of people live within a 2 hour drive of Cronulla?

is this thread for discussing the IC or just another place for QLD cretins to whinge about too many Sydney teams?

I think it says a lot about yourself that you instantly try and turn it into a QLD vs NSW argument rather than just looking at the bare facts of the situation.
 

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How many millions of people live within a 2 hour drive of Cronulla?



I think it says a lot about yourself that you instantly try and turn it into a QLD vs NSW argument rather than just looking at the bare facts of the situation.

The fact of the situation is there will always be a team that is the poorest, and as such some fans of richer teams will always claim they are being dragged down to their level. Killing off Cronulla on this basis is entirely pointless.
 

ParraEelsNRL

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Just get the IC up n running and pay for a RL channel where people can stream games.

There's going to be at least 5 internationals this weekend alone and only Aus v NZ is being shown anywhere.

Pull your heads in RL and fix this problem.

I'm sure thousands would pay a certain amount each year to watch all sorts of different RL games from around the world.

Other sports can and do do it, why not us?
 

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Cronulla chairman Damian Irvine has already come forward with a counter-proposal. Rather than an across-the-board funding boost next season, Irvine has advocated a pool of money be made available for clubs to individually apply for assistance.

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Goddo

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The money comes with a catch. The clubs must specify how it will be spent and run the risk of having it taken away if they fall short of standards set by the AFL.

The NRL, rather than prop up clubs, would prefer they relocate and accept a lump sum payment.

That could change if the game receives a sudden influx of cash through the next broadcasting deal, which runs from 2013.

That bit is important for the expansion arguement.
 

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I don't know about any arguement, but those who are in the argument will find that interesting. It is the first time in a long time that I have seen the NRL supporting relocation and it's not in the form of a quote, I have seen many quotes saying the opposite though.
 
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