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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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skeepe

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I don't think it's a co-incidence that ARL and RLIF Chairman Colin Love was the one that made the annoucnement.


Imagine that... the chairman of a federation makes an announcement concerning a competition run by that federation.

What a miraculous occurrence!
 

Bluebags1908

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Imagine that... the chairman of a federation makes an announcement concerning a competition run by that federation.

What a miraculous occurrence!

So what's your point smart-arse?

You think you might be funny selectively quoting parts of my comments. It only makes you look like a dill.

A legend in your own mind.
 
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Bluebags1908

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Whole article reads like a stalling tactic.

I hope they keep stalling. More of it I say.

Fancy the clubs spending months writing up a draft Independent Commission proposal to suit their agenda. And you expect the QRL to accept it ASAP?
 

Jankuloski

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No. We expect them to come up with paranoid theories about it for about a year, then take a look at their biggest competitiors in Australia and see that all those fears didn't come to fruition in their game in the past two decades.

Then we expect them to stall for another year just to make sure.

And then they're going to wonder why RL is not the number 1 code in the country for another year.

Next year, a vacation from heavy delibiration.

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Jankuloski

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See, this is the problem. I would love for that to be true. But we're talking a measurable thing here- money, attendances and TV viewing. Even if one means well, doesn't make him the best man for the job. You mean well, but actually thinkig RL is no 1 would create some very problematic business decisions (just look at GWS AFL team) I have no doubt that the people in ARL or QRL would like for it to be so, but they're not business savvy enough to make it so in today's sporting envoirement, which is not at all different from a business envoirement anymore.
 
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siv

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I am interested to explore Qualye's recent comment that the QRL did not support the Broncos / Gold Coast and Nth Qld's inclusion in the comp

I guess the main issue was the downgrading of the Brisbane comp - rather than a merging of the Sydney / Brisbane comps

Same basic issue that occured when Illawarra / Newcastle and Auckland joined
 

m0nty

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I am interested to explore Qualye's recent comment that the QRL did not support the Broncos / Gold Coast and Nth Qld's inclusion in the comp

I guess the main issue was the downgrading of the Brisbane comp - rather than a merging of the Sydney / Brisbane comps

Same basic issue that occured when Illawarra / Newcastle and Auckland joined
This is the sort of infighting that the IC is supposed to stop. Rugby league has been built on factions permanently waging war against each other where no innovation is left unpunished by those whose turf is threatened. It is long past time that this schism-based thinking was left behind in the 20th century where it belonged.
 

MsStorm

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This is the sort of infighting that the IC is supposed to stop. Rugby league has been built on factions permanently waging war against each other where no innovation is left unpunished by those whose turf is threatened. It is long past time that this schism-based thinking was left behind in the 20th century where it belonged.

:clap::clap:
 

Parra

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See, this is the problem. I would love for that to be true. But we're talking a measurable thing here- money, attendances and TV viewing. Even if one means well, doesn't make him the best man for the job. You mean well, but actually thinkig RL is no 1 would create some very problematic business decisions (just look at GWS AFL team) I have no doubt that the people in ARL or QRL would like for it to be so, but they're not business savvy enough to make it so in today's sporting envoirement, which is not at all different from a business envoirement anymore.




In Australia RL is number one in QLD & NSW. Clearly the top TV sport and clearly dominates all the other media. The top free to air TV is RL - not when measured against other sport - when measured against everything else. The top pay TV sport is RL by a long way.
 

Parra

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This is the sort of infighting that the IC is supposed to stop. Rugby league has been built on factions permanently waging war against each other where no innovation is left unpunished by those whose turf is threatened. It is long past time that this schism-based thinking was left behind in the 20th century where it belonged.


The commission will be independent in name only
 

Rockin Ronny

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Agreed - good point.

The NRL clubs in the last 10 years have voted against a CC Bears team - not because it wouldn't be great for the game, but its success would show up many of the clubs currently running around AND some clubs (Cronulla, Manly) are hoping to kill the Bears off so they might relocate there.
 

taipan

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Agreed - good point.

The NRL clubs in the last 10 years have voted against a CC Bears team - not because it wouldn't be great for the game, but its success would show up many of the clubs currently running around AND some clubs (Cronulla, Manly) are hoping to kill the Bears off so they might relocate there.

Cronulla and Manly(who I don't like)"are hoping to kill off the Bears so they might relocate there".
Manly who stuffed up when they tried with a merged team.
Cronulla who have no intention of moving,and have been offered the millions to move there,considered it,and knocked it back.
Yeah,right:D
BTW I want the Bears to get back in, as it will bring disenfranchised former Bear's supporters back on side,and may even get a few of them back from fumbleball and or union.
 
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El Diablo

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http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...lubs-gaining-vote-majority-20100224-p3jy.html

QRL softens its stance on clubs gaining vote majority
BRAD WALTER AND GLENN JACKSON
February 25, 2010

Further steps towards an independent commission are expected to be made at a meeting today between ARL and News Ltd representatives, with Queensland officials believed to have softened their stance on the terms for the new body to run the game.

The meeting is the first since the ARL board two weeks ago resolved to appoint two delegates each from NSW and Queensland to expedite negotiations for News to surrender its 50 per cent stake in the NRL.

After initially insisting that the ARL should retain its share and appoint four of the eight commissioners, the QRL is now thought to be more relaxed about the prospect of the 16 NRL clubs having a majority vote following talks with AFL officials.

QRL boss Ross Livermore has confirmed speaking to former Queensland AFL director Peter Cummiskey about how the independent commission works in his code, while Queensland director John Ribot is believed to be planning to talk to AFL chief executive Andrew Demetriou.

Under the AFL model, the clubs have sole responsibility for electing the commissioners.

The NRL clubs want to have the same voting rights but a compromise proposal discussed by ARL chairman Colin Love and chief executive Geoff Carr at their last meeting with News Ltd chief operating officer Peter Macourt provides for the NSWRL and QRL to also be given a vote each.

As a result, there would be 18 votes, with the clubs having one vote each, meaning that a commissioner would require 14 votes to gain 75 per cent of the ballot required for election.

More significantly, the NSWRL and QRL would be able to veto any constitutional change, as only two votes are required to veto any proposal along those lines.

The ARL will be represented at today's meeting with Macourt by Love, Carr and two QRL directors, Terry Mackenroth and Bruce Hatcher.

Meanwhile, the form of NRL superstars Jarryd Hayne and Billy Slater is behind the move to devise a new ''downtown'' rule, designed to give every fullback more room from kick returns.

Referees boss Robert Finch yesterday made no secret of the fact that the success of the leading fullbacks in the competition last season - and the resultant tactics by coaches to counteract them - prompted the crackdown on opposition players being offside when chasing kicks.

Under the new rule, players who stray in front of the play-the-ball before the ball has passed over their heads from a kick will be called offside by the referees, and penalised if they continue to advance. Finch admitted the purpose of the rule change was to give the likes of Parramatta's Hayne, Melbourne's Slater and the Cowboys' Matt Bowen more time than they have had before to take kicks from general play - not attacking chips, bombs or grubbers.

''If you give them an inch, they'll take a mile,'' Finch said, referring to the players who head ''downtown''. ''If they stop and don't continue to run, we're comfortable with that, but when the kick goes, those fullbacks and wingers should get the space that they deserve.''

Finch believes some coaches have identified the impact of dynamic fullbacks running from the back, and have attempted to nullify them through the tactic.

''Coaches are not silly, and they look at the attacking options of the side they're playing,'' Finch said. ''They look to try and minimise the opportunity for those players to show their wares.

''I'm not expecting them [fullbacks and wingers] to get anything other than what they deserve. If it's a kick and they're onside chasers, that's what they deserve. But what they don't deserve is these players who are downtown and offside cutting down their options - not only ringing them but also cutting down their ability to attack from that position.

''I'm sure most of the people who go to watch would like to see these blokes play footy.

''The thing is, if we kept going down that path, the next minute there's more blokes downtown, and the next minute they've got no room, or they've got all these faces in front of them, and they don't know who's onside and who's offside.

''We're just being proactive about ensuring that we don't go any further with it.''
 

babyg

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Great news for the commission and great news on the downturn rule. Fullbacks in open space is a crowd pleaser every time.
 
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If the NSWRL and QRL are happy with the voting and veto arrangements and they are written in blood then it's a good thing. The devil is still in the detail and I just hope they tread very carefully in ensuring the game is protected from self interest. Now they also have to make sure they can be involved in writing the constitution. It's one thing to be able to veto changes but they will have no power to make changes themselves so it has to be right first time.
 

Goddo

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About time... pity it took those QRL dopes all this time and a visit to a bunch of AFL merkins to get the message.

You taken up gymnastics ECT?

That is some of the best back-flipping I have ever seen!
 
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What are you on about. I've always said you can't accept the deal until the details are known. Well the QRL and the NSWRL have taken the time to check out the deal by consulting with News, the clubs and even the AFL. That's what they should have done, especially after being left out of the dicussions in the first place, instead of just jumping in and accepting it without any thought like you wanted. They are in a better position to make a decision than you or I and they had every right to hold off until they were sure it was the right deal. If you and your mates had their way the ARL would have accepted the first deal which gave the RLs NO say whatsoever without even looking into any aternatives or looking at what the deal actually meant for the game outside the NRL. The QRL and NSWRL have handled this a lot better than News and the clubs with their gun to the head appraoch. I have consistently said all along that the deal has to be right for the real stakeholders in the game and if they are happy with it then that is the right outcome. Not that it's done and dusted yet. They've got to come up with a constitution that is acceptable first.
 

Goddo

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No, there was thought, then political posturing lead by the Dracula of League, Ribot, and a reluctant QRL that refuses to give up power. An offer is then on the table that adresses their issues. They continue to stall.

They then boycot the indigenous game and holds the rest of the game to randsom, only to realise they have very little barganing power when the ARL, NSWRL, News Corp, Clubs, and fans all want it.

I know they are a little slow up there with all the sun exposure, but come on!

... QRL... always the bridesmaid never the bride...
 
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