RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

[Goddo]

I don't think gallop has been a total merkin. Just on the important issues. He gets a lot of little things right, but all the big things wrong.

I think he would be okay as the NRL CEO if the commission is incharge of expansion, development and media rights, and can dictate policy to Gallop if need be.

The question really is, what powers will the NRL CEO have under the new structure, with respect to the commission chairman and CEO?

 

[Quidgybo]

I don't think gallop has been a total merkin. Just on the important issues. He gets a lot of little things right, but all the big things wrong.

I think he would be okay as the NRL CEO if the commission is incharge of expansion, development and media rights, and can dictate policy to Gallop if need be.

But isn't that the point, Gallop hasn't been in charge of any of the big things. All decisions on key revenue generators, expansion and so forth are reserved for the NRL Partnership Executive Committee as per the Partnership agreement between the ARL and News Ltd. If the PEC decides it's going to accept the first offer on television rights (from a company that also has 50% vote on the PEC no less) without putting it out to tender then there's really not a lot Gallop can do but toe the party line he's instructed to toe. If most of the decisions you've got a problem with are the big ones and not the day to day things, then pointing the finger at Gallop is letting the real culprits slip under the raider. It's the six members of the PEC representing the ARL and News Ltd that are making these decisions that you're citing. And thankfully they're the ones who are about to be rightfully replaced by the Commission.

Leigh.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

But isn't that the point, Gallop hasn't been in charge of any of the big things. All decisions on key revenue generators, expansion and so forth are reserved for the NRL Partnership Executive Committee as per the Partnership agreement between the ARL and News Ltd. If the PEC decides it's going to accept the first offer on television rights (from a company that also has 50% vote on the PEC no less) without putting it out to tender then there's really not a lot Gallop can do but toe the party line he's instructed to toe. If most of the decisions you've got a problem with are the big ones and not the day to day things, then pointing the finger at Gallop is letting the real culprits slip under the raider. It's the six members of the PEC representing the ARL and News Ltd that are making these decisions that you're citing. And thankfully they're the ones who are about to be rightfully replaced by the Commission.

Leigh.

I have pandered somewhat to the people who dont like gallop, but the honest truth is that he is a good administrator.

Too many times people have blasted him on here, yet he is lauded everywhere else. Expansion is a big one. The game cannot afford to expand now, its as plain as day, yet people on here still cry foul.

Gallop would make a good CEO for the IC. He's a good CEO right now. And yeah if you untied his hands I bet he could seem a lot better. Fact is he has a certain job to do right now, being employed to do a job for someone (the nrl) and he is doing it. Give him a new job and he will do new things. Is it so hard to comprehend? I dont think the guy is knocking back good deals for the game at all.

Thats the facts.

Radio is another one. But RL shows right now are very high rating so why change them? Open it up to everyone? Come on, its pretty well covered right now.

We could go on and on about people being sooks on here and having a whinge, yet they act so because they ignore hard evidence. And I often think they do so on purpose, just to whinge.

You guys must extract some facts from the papers, dont rely too much on their opinion and think for yourself. Much has been made about the commission but some of you seem to forget that the structure is a long way from what we have now and is far different. Its a system without compromise in which power is directly linked to the game once again. Yet people moan about the clubs having a say....its just a say, no club CEO is going to be able to influence things enough to have the system compromised. I dont see how people think the clubs are going to hi jack rl and ignore junior footy and all the rest. WHAT DO you people smoke who think that? It would be like cutting off your limbs.

And if not the NRL clubs choosing commissioners, then who? Local clubs? Other sports? A fan poll?? Come on guys, get real. People think the clubs will ruin the game, but all they will do is appoint commissioners. You gotta think. What about jury's and how they are appointed.....is there a fairer way than to get the nod from all parties and a veto vote from all parties? How else can you "protect" the game? There is no other conceivable way. Jury's get appointed and some people get vetoed, but usually the right decision is made because the community is sentencing the person (under rules). Is a commission any different? The clubs making decisions for the clubs? YES, NRL clubs...but here's the kicker....everything is geared toward the NRL clubs, everyone feeds off them so to speak.....and forget about dead spots on the league landscape...basically if its not to help the nrl clubs, the drivers of the game, where the magic happens, then its not helpful. I fail to see how they are just going to get a bunch of people in who will ruin everything.....to do so is going against sense and reason, and indeed going against the job they are appointed to do.

Thankyou Leigh, the fact is that some people on here ignore the facts.

I realise its hard to read my stuff sometimes because I point out some of you need to get a clue: must be hard hearing you're a bit dim on some things. Look at a classic question in another way: expansion...you got to think what would be the benefits right now if we had 2 more teams. Can we do it without breaking everyones bank? What will it give us (real, not imagined, like check with the people who currently pay you for a guide)? Do we have the money? Do we have the players? What will it mean for all the current arrangements? How will we go about it? When? Is the economy right? Will people invest in this?

Now, unless you know the exact answers to all of these, and can be specific, shut the hell up about how it should be happening, Gallops holding it back, afl is the devil, etc.

You may start to realise its not a great time to expand and get it right.....and hold on, because a commission can look into this in the future because right now Gallop and Co know its not viable and have said so.

So maybe you have no idea about who will make a good CEO or not, or whether the commission is the devil in disguise. And such things like knowing when to expand in the current league market is like reading the weather: its unpredictable.

Thanks Leigh. Top post.

 

[Parra]

Change the letterhead, give News Ltd the out they are desperate for and get on with it.


That seems to be the entire message everyone is expected to swallow - no questions asked.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

Change the letterhead, give News Ltd the out they are desperate for and get on with it.


That seems to be the entire message everyone is expected to swallow - no questions asked.

So much suspicion. I sense it too

You know it must be hard dealing with all those men of ambition who can make things happen. Guys like those who run the game and have a job you'd like....


must be intimidating and maybe you perceive that as a bad feeling in you.

Look, what you said is not the message. Its just what you think it is....and its not fact.

They are getting on with it, right now. You are ignoring a lot of things there. And no one is asking anyone to swollow that. Very cynical. Cynicism is the result of many bad things, none of them helpful here.

QLD and NSW get a vote now. The push and pull is working both ways.

 

[Parra]

So much suspicion.

You know it must be hard dealing with all those men of ambition who can make things happen. Guys like those who run the game and have a job you'd like....


must be intimidating and maybe you perceive that as a bad feeling in you.

Look, what you said is not the message. Its just what you think it is....and its not fact.

They are getting on with it, right now. You are ignoring a lot of things there.

You need to polish this a bit more.

At least one fact would be good.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

You need to polish this a bit more.

At least one fact would be good.

was it so different from yours. and what you think I need to do with it can stay with you.


You certainly had no problem with not dealing with the facts.

 

[Parra]

You certainly had no problem with not dealing with the facts.

My point is that there are none to deal with.


But keep trotting out the company line. It's been around 15 years since the game was f**ked over by News Ltd. Must be due for another backwards step.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

My point is that there are none to deal with.


But keep trotting out the company line. It's been around 15 years since the game was f**ked over by News Ltd. Must be due for another backwards step.

ok look. I fail to see where this fits in: but on your point. You'll have to help us out here by clearly stating your aim.

Can i put it this way: no one in RL right now (except those with a vested interest in keeping tv money down) want to make the wrong decision.....they know the right ones to make by and large, they just need to be able to make them. Whether is limitations of money, or expectation of doing what news wants on some levels, the restraint is there.

There will certainly be no backwards steps. Might run on the spot for a couple of years.

I think we are on the same page, I want the conflict of interest gone too, and frankly, it will be. And you must ask yourself if it were you negotiating your exit, would you not try and get the best exit deal for you and your situation?

Let them, but we are doing the same thing. Those doing this are just going to do what they are going to do anyway.

I trotted out several facts: some people on here are sooks, many dont know what they are on about, and people are overly critical of things they are not knowledgeable on. You really need to pay attention.

Most come on here to whinge and moan as if to manage the actions of those in charge of the game, these days I mostly come on here to manage the reactions of the people on here, of which many are fools.

 

[Parra]

If News Ltd want to break the deal there should be penalties, not rewards.


You should read the thread before jumping in. A lot of your spin has been dealt with earlier.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

If News Ltd want to break the deal there should be penalties, not rewards.


You should read the thread before jumping in. A lot of your spin has been dealt with earlier.

ummm....they are equal partners. They are walking away, in acordance with the deal....no penalties.

And dude, they practically wrote the freaking deal. Whittaker was mumbling some sh*t but no one was listening.

Now spin and all the rest of it. My trouble is dealing with people who thinking selling radio rights for 10c each to everyone is going to solve anything, or who want Perth and Wellington in NOW or YESTERDAY....and dont tell me those issues have been solved. One must assimilate whats happened, so at least you know where I stand.

I say so, so when I talk to you, you know where Im coming from. It was never dealt with...a few people cried and there was a cleenex here and there, but really no one altered their opinion. SO I KNOW that those people still think what they are thinking and THOSE POINTS I WROTE ARE STILL RELEVANT.

Im just sorry you had to go over it too.

So there you go. You raise valid points. News are getting away with a lot. But its all legit. We dont like it, but we'll have to swollow it. They are not a charity. Thats the cold bitter truth.

My great exasperation is that people wont merge that with their intentions. The bargaining chips are spent. But the result is NOT a bad one even so!

 

[Parra]

, in acordance with the deal....no penalties.

That bit is just not true.


The rest I didn't read.

News Ltd are trying to break the deal early.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

That bit is just not true.


The rest I didn't read.

News Ltd are trying to break the deal early.

You didnt read it? Then you f**ked yourself

And you're wrong. Break the deal early, only discrepency for which there are NO PENALTIES!??? DERR!!

You were interesting, now you're not. I havnt got the time to change another idiot.

BTW Why would there be penalties....for all the ARL lovers, the deal was done from the standpoint that news was hijacking and them being gone sooner rather than later is a good thing.

you dont know what you are truly saying....them leaving early is a blessing, mong lord! Now run away and dance like a bofoon, and dont forget to trip over and shoot yourself in the foot

 

[Parra]

Not one fact yet.

All emotional garbage PBB.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

Not one fact yet.

All emotional garbage PBB.

Funny, I was not being emotional, just insulting.

did you read this point> BTW Why would there be penalties....for all the ARL lovers, the deal was done from the standpoint that news was hijacking and them being gone sooner rather than later is a good thing.

you dont know what you are truly saying....them leaving early is a blessing, mong lord! Now run away and dance like a bofoon, and dont forget to trip over and shoot yourself in the foot

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U didn't, too eager to crap on. Oh, fact above.....yes the first AND second sentence.

Its a blessing, idiot, why penalise them for doing something good?



I mean no personal offence, I am really just f-ing with you as they say. I dont think they should be penalised, I think they should be helped along their way

And yes, that does seem to mean first and last rights extension, the melbourne sitiuation, and one or two other things, having a say in appointing the ceo, etc.....but so what, thats the deal they put forward, on which they are not budging. So be it. Thats where its at, and its been accepted.

So quit the whinging and get on with it.

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

I wish I could be more positive about this but these 2 paras prove to me that RL will c,
Giving us emotive words about how important fans and local players are while telling us that grass roots footy has not been considered yet in the structure of the Commission - how stupid does he think people are?

No one was saying anything to the contrary of this guy. So what, his view stands? Do you really believe they are going to give grass roots even LESS money over time? What, when even now, everyone wants to give them MORE!?


All of that which searle said layeth before us. He doesnt have a crystal ball, just be glad he's not faking it to you.

Now the states have a say, I guess the picture will become more clear. I dont think you will have to worry about grass roots footy. For one its running on a shoe string right now, without any great amount of money, its doing well....so when more money come available dont you think they will be allocated a decent percentage extra?

When they ask those in grassroots who know about how much more money could be useful, and they determine the areas in need of assistance, dont you think that will be taken care of.

I doubt clubs or commissioners are going to be interested in neglecting grass roots footy. People seem to think that the commission is going to drop every cent into player payments and the nrl comp.....wrong!!! Those who do think that are sorely mistaken.

If you would not do it, and know 100 reasons not to, dont you think its safe to say that elected commissioners from the high end of town are going to see the reasons too?

Blind cynisism is one thing, rediculous comments another....this is but one more example of why this forum is clueless on many things.

They say most first time business owners fail and make mistakes. first time businesses go under all the time.....but you must consider that while anyone can make mistakes, those from the high end of town whom the commision will be seeking are not first timers at things like this, and they WONT make these silly mistakes that you all seem to think they will.

My theory is that a lot of you guys are first timers at things like this and come in with the same fears and mis placed experience, that may seem to help, but its not pushing the right buttons....and thats where you are wrong.....the commissioners are not you, and they dont think like you, and they are not going to mess something like that up. I'm saying expect improvements.

You are not really giving credit to those who will become commissioners. You have some reason to be dis trustful, but not stupid. And I guess that was Searle's only mistake, he did not realise how stupid some of you are....but then again, why should he have to dumb down his words for a few twits on leagueunlimited?

 

[1 Eyed TEZZA]

Parra, you may not know this, but please, just do this if PBB ever makes a post. Its a moderator rule and is probably going to be writen into the guidlines soon enough.

Its the universal sign that you arent reading his posts......you would be suprized how many people dont read his posts. (well, maybe not then)

 

[$$Poor Boy Blues$$]

Parra, you may not know this, but please, just do this if PBB ever makes a post. Its a moderator rule and is probably going to be writen into the guidlines soon enough.

Its the universal sign that you arent reading his posts......you would be suprized how many people dont read his posts. (well, maybe not then)

its because i kick ass all the time

and anything you have to say in relation to me is utterly biased and therefore should be discounted entirely.

And get someone who can spell surprise, though in this day and age people spell words anyway they choose; but somehow I dont think that was his intention.

 

[m0nty]

 

[Perth Red]

why do people think national expansion is just about having a new NRL team launched? It's not its about doing the 5-10 years of hard yakka to make sure any new team is a success. SG ball teams, NSW cup teams, FTA TV coverage, regular NRL games, rep games, coaching clinics etc etc

For 1% of the NRL's budget they could have started this work in 2000 and come 2013 we would have some really strong contenders for succesful expansion. Don't tell me they can;t afford 1% of their budget annually to grow the game. If they can't they should give up now!