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RL independence day arrives - NRL Independent Commission announced for November 1

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Front-Rower

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forget politics. Alan belford Jones is a viscous, poisonous, evil bitter old fruit. he has agendas, he plays favourites, he is an ego out of control.

His ideals are straight out of the 1950s.

league needs clean skins, not old foreskins, flopping around in the breeze, like a bit of old flapdoodle.

Your 100% right this games needs new direction, new heads at the board room table and a leader to stick it straight to the other codes to make a noise and say we are number 1 in the winter.
 

Rockin Ronny

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I have no problem with John Howard being on the IC, but I could never accept the Parrot on it. He is a part owner of 2GB and a very close friend of the Packers. I also agree with what Rexxy says as well,

We don't need the Parrot or any other questionable ego-driven wanker - inlcuding Howard.

Further - why is Gallop being even contemplated as head of the IC. he is a News Limited hack - always was - that's why he was appointed.
 

El Diablo

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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/new...-says-geoff-carr/story-e6frg7mf-1225961136370

Commission is close to reality, says Geoff Carr

* Brent Read, Peter Kogoy
* From: The Australian
* November 26, 2010 12:00AM

THE document expected to trigger the formation of the game's inaugural independent commission could be finalised within days.

It could be tabled at the NSW Rugby League board meeting next week.

NRL club officials are confident the constitution for the independent commission is on the verge of being ratified following the latest meeting between the games co-owners _ News Limited (publisher of The Australian) and the Australian Rugby League _ in Sydney yesterday.

After talks lasting more than two hours, lawyers were sent away to begin drafting what could be the final version of the constitution. Once that document is ratified by the ARL and News, the final impediment to the commission's formation will be removed.

Despite ongoing objections from the Queensland Rugby League to sections of the document, officials privately believe momentum is now too strong to stop the commission.

The handover is expected to take place early next year, at which point commissioners will be appointed. It is understood a list of up to 16 names will be given to officials from News and the ARL, who will elect the eight commissioners.

Several names have already been revealed, including former Australia cricket captain Steve Waugh and former Billabong chairman Gary Pemberton.

There is also support for former federal police commissioner Mick Keelty, Westpac chief executive Gail Kelly and racehorse owner and businessman Nick Moraitis.

Radio commentator Alan Jones has also been put forward, although it is believed he is unlikely to win support as a commissioner.

AFL chief executive Geoff Carr confirmed a meeting took place yesterday and lawyers were in the process of redrafting the constitution.

"It was a very, very positive meeting," Carr said. "We're getting closer and closer. With all these things, you have to go away and redraft the words that reflect the agreement. Now it's gone back to lawyers.

"We have had a very, very positive discussion on resolution of issues and that now needs to be translated into words."

While the NSWRL meeting will have little to no bearing on the commission, the ARL's annual meeting only days later will be pivotal.

That meeting will lead to the appointment of John Chalk as ARL chairman, taking over from Colin Love. It is also likely to mark the end of a project going back several years, to when Gold Coast chief executive Michael Searle began the long process of forming a commission.

Meanwhile, as teammates voice concerns over the mental state of teammate Timana Tahu, the family at the centre of the racism scandal involving the Parramatta and NSW centre has questioned the system which has allowed the investigation to drag on for nearly two months.

Tahu has been granted time off training with the Eels as he deals with personal issues.

He is also being pursued by the Human Rights Commission, which has been brought in to handle the racism complaint labelled against him.

Teenager Caleb Binge alleged Tahu called him a black c. . . at an Aboriginal knock-out carnival in August.

Tahu has denied the claim but has avoided conciliation to resolve the matter. Chris Binge, Caleb's father, admits he has lost faith in the system.

"I will be honest, from my end Caleb is at a point now where he has no faith in the system, because the system isn't working," Chris said.

"If it did, we wouldn't be having this conversation. I am not surprised. It's one of those ones everyone has placed in the too-hard basket.

"From my end, I don't think it's too hard at all. It's a pretty simple fix. It's pointless trying to contact anyone from (the HRC) because they're hard to get a hold of."
 

meltiger

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LOL @ News Ltd


"AFL chief executive Geoff Carr confirmed"


Fantastic news though, it seems everyone is finally of the realisation that the next tv rights agreement is the most important in the games history, and we need the IC up and running for it.
 
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Independent commission must tackle big problems
November 28, 2010
http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-league/...-must-tackle-big-problems-20101127-18bcp.html

With the independent commission looming, Adrian Proszenko urges the game's incoming powerbrokers to be bold.

1 RAISE THE CAP
It is time for the salary cap to go up. Significantly. Hailed as the great leveller of talent, the cap has also held the game back. Putting a ceiling on the amount the stars can
earn has forced some of them out of the game. While some have returned, many others have not. League is poorer for the absence of Sonny Bill Williams's shoulder charge,
Craig Gower's tenacity and Craig Wing's pink pants.

The argument that the cap protects clubs from themselves is insulting. The strong should not be held back by the weak. ''Rather than looking at the constraints we put on the sport,
we should be looking at ways to expand it,'' Penrith coach Matthew Elliott told The Sun-Herald earlier this year. ''It befuddles me that each club has CEOs and CFOs appointed,
yet part of the charter of salary cap is to protect clubs from themselves. If that's the case, we need to get rid of all the CEOs. What are they there for? That argument needs
to be removed as a premise of what the cap is there for.''

The streamlining of the game's governing bodies will bring efficiencies and some of those savings should be passed on to clubs. A new TV deal, purportedly worth $1 million,
is also looming. There is no excuse for the grants from the independent commission to clubs to not match the cap. The minimum wage for a first-grade footballer must be raised to $75,000.

2 MAKE A STATEMENT IN WESTERN SYDNEY
Western Sydney is league land. The IC must keep it that way. A strong message must be sent to fans - and the AFL - that demonstrates that the lifeblood of the game will not be taken for granted.
The IC can start with a festival of football in western Sydney. This should comprise a double-header at ANZ Stadium. The venue would soon be sold out following the announcement that Parramatta
will open the season with a clash against arch rivals Canterbury. Penrith will then take on Wests Tigers on a day that celebrates the fans. Andrew Demetriou must be sent a message
that he started a war that can never be won.

3 OVERHAUL SCHEDULING
The first matter of business should be to lock in the regular-season schedule at the start of the season. This will follow the lead of the AFL and give fans certainty, allowing them to plan
their visits to the football well in advance. The IC - and not the broadcasters - must be responsible for scheduling.

The representative season requires an overhaul. The order should be City-Country, followed by Origin and then internationals. If City-Country isn't treated like a genuine selection trial
for NSW jumpers, it should be scrapped altogether. Origin matches should stand alone. The TV rights to these events should be sold separately.

The IC should also form a committee to examine the merits of a switch to a conference system. Teams could be split into zones (western conference, Queensland conference, etc),
ensuring that local derbies are played home and away. The committee should also investigate the relevance of the Anzac Test in its current form.

4 OVERHAUL SECOND-TIER COMPETITIONS
The National Youth Competition has its merits but the age should be raised from 20 to 23. The NSW Cup should be modelled along the lines of the Queensland Cup - with the winner
of each competition facing off on grand final day. Too many players are lost to the game due to the absence of a proper second-tier competition. This must be remedied immediately.

5 EXPANSION BACK ON THE TABLE
Two additional teams must be granted licences into the league. The Central Coast Bears should be one of them. This will provide further bargaining power before the new broadcast
deal is negotiated. A committee must be set up to inspect and grant the bids.

6 INTEGRITY UNIT
The IC must create an integrity unit, which will investigate issues including problem gambling, serious breaches of player behaviour etc. When players transgress, punishments should
be taken out of the hands of the club and dealt with by the IC. This will ensure uniform punishments and will prevent the clubs acting in their self interest.

7 REFEREE ACCOUNTABILITY
Referees, or their bosses, must front up and explain their decisions. Bill Harrigan and Stuart Raper should be required to explain controversial decisions to the media at the conclusion
of every NRL round. They should put their hands up when a mistake has been made.

8 RULES COMMITTEE
A rules committee must be formed to review the season and make alterations as required. This responsibility should be taken out of the hands of club coaches, who have previously
made modifications which are solely in their interests rather than that of the game. Stripping, torso tries and the downtown rule should be debated by past players and coaches.
 
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Gaba

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I dont think the commission is going to be involved with the referees or rules , i think they are going to leave it as it is.


I dont know why every one is excited about the independent commission, i dont think people are going to see a big difference at all
 

beave

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who wrote this???

1 million for the new tv rights indeed.....................



The article bangs on about raising the cap and generating more money then goes on about a fixed schedule. You think the TV execs are going to allow a fixed schedule AND pay bulk coin for the rights with the risk of that format being that dud underperforming teams (like my Cowboys) have to be shown on free to air???????

The best scenario for a schedule is the one Quidybo proposed with the first 16-18 weeks is fixed and the last 8-10 rounds are floating but there is a 5 week notification of those last upcoming fixtures. I think everybody wins with that.
 
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How is any of that "bold"? I'd say it's pretty tame. Bold would be bringing in a PNG side, Perth and a second NZ side, taking games overseas, breaking for med-season Test series, doing Rusty's American WCC thing, salary cap exemptions for juniors and emerging nations players, moving Origin to weekends or to a different time of the year, bringing back the World Sevens and reducing the home and away season by a few weeks. Stuff like that. They are all bold moves but not impossible ones. That's what we need from an IC, significant changes that will better the game in the long term.
 

IanG

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Also if it;s in their constitution that the commissioners can't have had an association with the game for the last 3 years. How come Gallop has been able to keep his job?
 

macavity

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The salary cap assertions are insulting to anyone who doesn't support one of the handful of clubs who would win everything without a cap.

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy set into hyperspeed by the uneven distribution of FTA games.
 

Quidgybo

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Also if it;s in their constitution that the commissioners can't have had an association with the game for the last 3 years. How come Gallop has been able to keep his job?

Gallop won't be sitting on the Commision, he is and will remain the CEO - employed by and answerable to the board of directors. He has no vote on the current board and will have none with the new board. The Commission is our new board of directors. In itself that change has nothing to do with the executive staff (like Gallop, Annersley etc) who run the game on a day to day basis. The executive remains in their current positions and answers to a new master until such time as that new master decides it's time to do something different.

Leigh.
 
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Brutus

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Who said anything about Gallop being head or even a member of the IC?

Leigh

When reporting on the next Tv deals, I've noticed the papers seem to be under the impression that Gallop will be negotiating the deal.

I'm pretty sure this won't be happening, but it was in the paper again today.
 

Brutus

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who wrote this???

1 million for the new tv rights indeed.....................



The article bangs on about raising the cap and generating more money then goes on about a fixed schedule. You think the TV execs are going to allow a fixed schedule AND pay bulk coin for the rights with the risk of that format being that dud underperforming teams (like my Cowboys) have to be shown on free to air???????

The best scenario for a schedule is the one Quidybo proposed with the first 16-18 weeks is fixed and the last 8-10 rounds are floating but there is a 5 week notification of those last upcoming fixtures. I think everybody wins with that.

It was a poor article written another one of Fairfax's non-RL people.
 

m0nty

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The salary cap assertions are insulting to anyone who doesn't support one of the handful of clubs who would win everything without a cap.

It is a self-fulfilling prophecy set into hyperspeed by the uneven distribution of FTA games.

The idea is not to abolish the salary cap, but to stop the stupid arrangement whereby the cap is set at the level that the poorest club can afford. The status quo has lead to dozens of NRL stars moving overseas or into other codes. It's one of the main structural problems with the current system, which is presumably why it's #1 in the list.

Essentially, while Proszenko didn't say it, he wants Cronulla to go away and die. Or for them to get propped up to be competitive by equalisation payments which are taxed from the other clubs. Those are the two methods available to the new IC. Not an easy choice.
 

beave

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so you set a cap much higher and you may as well not have a cap at all. The Brisbanes, Roosters,Storm and Parramattas of this world will just win the comp by stockpiling the best players because they have the ability because of their sponsors/city/ whatever to afford it and the weaker clubs won't be able to compete. I agree the cap needs to be raised but not massively and at a level that the weaker clubs can afford, and this can only happen when we get more TV coin.
 

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The idea is not to abolish the salary cap, but to stop the stupid arrangement whereby the cap is set at the level that the poorest club can afford. The status quo has lead to dozens of NRL stars moving overseas or into other codes. It's one of the main structural problems with the current system, which is presumably why it's #1 in the list.

Essentially, while Proszenko didn't say it, he wants Cronulla to go away and die. Or for them to get propped up to be competitive by equalisation payments which are taxed from the other clubs. Those are the two methods available to the new IC. Not an easy choice.

seriously

go back to bigpoofy

it's not there based solely on Cronulla

it would turn into the BPL if they followed your flea brained idea
 

m0nty

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seriously

go back to bigpoofy

it's not there based solely on Cronulla

it would turn into the BPL if they followed your flea brained idea

You're right, Cronulla is not the only busted-arse outfit in the NRL. There's Penrith and others as well. But Cronulla is the worst, and their name is brought up often by pundits explaining the salary cap arrangement, including by Roy Masters himself on Offsiders recently.

The BPL has no salary cap and is a far different system entirely. You don't know what you're talking about if you're seriously making that analogy.
 
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