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RLWC 2017 Americas Qualifiers - LIVE Saturday morning EST

deluded pom?

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http://www.usarl.com/2015/12/usa-going-to-the-2017-rugby-league-world-cup/

USA going to the 2017 World Cup
December 13, 2015

is mission accomplished for the USA with the Hawks beating Canada 34-24 in Game 3 of the Firehouse Subs Rugby League World Cup Qualifiers – Americas.

By Brian Lowe (nospam18.com)
Photo Credit Davey Wilson

On a warm Saturday afternoon in Jacksonville, Florida, the Hawks came back from a halftime deficit, and while playing a man down for more than 50 minutes, to punch their ticket to the 2017 RLWC.

“Courageous and stylish,” is how USA head coach Brian McDermott summed up the win.

In what was an absorbing contest that was an arm wrestle for the entire game, the Hawks outscored the Wolverines by eight tries to four, delighting their legion of loyal fans at the University of North Florida’s Hodges Stadium.

There were four lead changes and two players bagged hat-tricks, USA forward Danny Howard and Canadian five-eighth Ryley Jacks.

It was a physical contest marked by plenty of big hits in contact matched by equally rugged defense by both sides.

In a game of quarters, the US stuck to its game plan of taking it up the middle through the forwards and forcing Canadian mistakes and that strategy paid off with the Americans scoring two quick fire tries by center Taylor Alley and wing Taylor Howden to take an 8-0 lead inside the opening eight minutes.

The Wolverines hit back in the 19th minute with a score by lock Jamie Kelly, converted by Steve Piatek, to make it 8-6 in favor of the hosts.

The Canadians went in again minutes later when Jacks scored the first of his three tries, again converted by Piatek, for a 12-8 scoreline. It came from some unrelenting pressure and enterprising play by the Wolverines that saw the US bend, but not crack.

At around that point of the match, Hawks’ fullback Corey Makelim was sent off by referee Robert Hicks, allegedly for swearing, leaving the US to see out the game with 12 men.

Inside the last five minutes of the first half, the home team stepped up the pressure in attack and it paid dividends with Howard crossing for the first of his tries. It was converted by Howden, the only successful kick at goal all day by the Hawks, and they were back in front at 14-12.

Then on the stroke of halftime, a little bit of Jacks magic resulted in the Canadian five-eighth going in for his second score.

Money man Piatek was good with the points after and the visitors took an 18-14 lead into the main break, which couldn’t come soon enough for both teams.

In a repeat of the start of the game, again it was the USA scoring first when Howden finished off an exciting passage of play that saw just about every player touch the ball as they swung it from one side of the field to the other.

The US then dominated proceedings for the ensuing 20 minutes in which they banged in three more tries by Alley, Howard and Ryan Burroughs to extend their lead to 30-18.

The latter score followed a scintillating 40-meter open field burst by center Burroughs in the previous set.

As the match moved into the final 15 minutes, one could have been forgiven for thinking Canada was virtually dead and buried, but as they showed against Jamaica, they can never be written off.

That man Ryley Jacks, who was now playing on a dud ankle following a knock in a tackle earlier in the half, produced another moment of magic as he ducked under defenders from close range to complete his scoring trifecta.

Piatek, of course, added the extras for a 30-24 scoreline, setting up a thrilling final few minutes.

For the Canadians it was a must-win game and they gave themselves every opportunity to stay in the hunt as the clock wound down, but it wouldn’t be a fairytale ending for them.

The Hawks, who only needed a tie to qualify, put the final nail in the Wolverines’ coffin in the final minute, and perhaps fittingly, it was Danny Howard who dragged a tackler with him as he crashed over the line.

The conversion was wayward, but it didn’t matter, as the US ran out winners by ten points to advance to the Rugby League World Cup for the second straight time.

“I can’t speak highly enough about their effort and their work rate,” a delighted USA head coach Brian McDermott told nospam18.

“They’ve done everything I’ve asked of them and while today wasn’t the most glitzy of performances, it certainly was done in style.

“To beat a well orchestrated and a well coached Canada team, who had beaten the USA in the two Colonial Cups just recently, to do that with 12 men for a large chunk of the game I think that’s something they need to be very proud of.”

Both teams came into the game with one goal in mind, winning, and they played accordingly.

“We made it hard for ourselves,” said Hawks captain Mark Offerdahl. “I’ve never won a game like that with 12 men, that’s crazy.



“Some of the boys had never played minutes like that. Some of the urgency and boys turning up for each other, I know it’s old clichés, but it’s crazy.

“Last time we cruised into the World Cup. There were some big scorelines. This time we’ve got a lot more American boys playing, which is awesome for the development of the game.

“These guys are going to go back to their clubs and take what they’ve learned off B Mac (McDermott) hopefully spread it and a few more teams pop up and boys get enthusiastic about the 2017 World Cup and try and make it.”

From Canada’s standpoint, yes it’s a big disappointment, but according to head coach Aaron Zimmerle, there were some positive takeaways.

“It was all in, you had to win,” said Zimmerle. “Unfortunately we were the side that didn’t come up with the result.

“I thought there were periods in the game where it was our opportunity to take control of the match and hopefully then finish on top, but credit to America they really stood up.

“Some of their go-to players were able to pull out the big plays when needed. I thought they capitalized well late when we were trying to force the issue and we’d make an error.

“But as this whole tournament has shown, every time we’re down and out and I think maybe that’s it, they find a way to claw back into the game.”

Final score USA 34 – Canada 24

USA tries: Danny Howard (3), Taylor Alley (2), Taylor Howden (2), Ryan Burroughs
Conversions: Howden (1)

Canada tries: Ryley Jacks (3), Jamie Kelly
Conversions: Steve Piatek (4)

Referee: Robert Hicks (UK)
 

kiwileaguefan

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“Last time we cruised into the World Cup. There were some big scorelines. This time we’ve got a lot more American boys playing, which is awesome for the development of the game.

Interesting comment....
 

SJR

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Canada didn't finish second though. Jamaica did.

But yes, there should be some kind of repêchage for the last available place featuring all the next best teams from all the regions. In this case it would probably mean a four team tournament or knockout involving south africa, cook is, Jamaica and maybe Italy and you wouldn't back Jamaica to make it through anyway, but they probably deserve another chance.

Fair point East Coast Tiger I had disregarded Jamaica because they couldn't qualify after game 2. But you are correct Jamaica finished above Canada on points difference.
 

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Do we know the mainly domestic USA team can hold their own in a WC?



The USA has 14 teams so at best what 300 players who play in amateur 8 week competition. If by adding a handful of non NRL playing Aussies they hold their own at the RLWC that will be an outstanding effort.
 

adamkungl

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For me, this is a must. Groups of 4 x 4 means minimal stuffing around too.

Plus based on the results of the qualifiers, no-one can really argue that Canada and Jamaica cannot hold their own in the WC if the US can.

Same goes for the Cooks, who lost to Tonga in the qualifiers.

I really believe that by 2021 we will have the depth to do this, and being in Europe (I would assume) it would be great to see an extra Euro nation competing!

I'd still expect and hope for ranked pools even with 4 x 4 - i feel it makes for a more interesting pool stage.
 

deluded pom?

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The USA has 14 teams so at best what 300 players who play in amateur 8 week competition. If by adding a handful of non NRL playing Aussies they hold their own at the RLWC that will be an outstanding effort.

I'm not putting the USA down, I'm just pointing out that the last American team to play in the WC had a lot of heritage players that helped them reach the quarter finals. You can't suggest that because that USA team did well then it's a given that Jamaica and Canada will also do well based on results from this qualifying group when this USA team is predominantly domestic based and there is no past comparison we could use.
 

Sinman

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USA still do have 2 years as well to develop.. there is no shortage of athletes in America who haven't quite made it in other sports. This could be a goldmine for the USA. I would love for this to be the catalyst for something special for the USA.. but it could go either way!!
 

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USA still do have 2 years as well to develop

This statement is VERY key for all teams. 2 years is a LONG time. Speaking specifically about the US team, by the time RLWC 2017 comes around, the team that played for qualifiers will be different. 2 full USARL seasons will complete by the time the cup competition comes around, so injuries, age, new talent, skill level, etc will all change (both in the positive and negative) and come into play over that period.
 

Craigo

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This statement is VERY key for all teams. 2 years is a LONG time. Speaking specifically about the US team, by the time RLWC 2017 comes around, the team that played for qualifiers will be different. 2 full USARL seasons will complete by the time the cup competition comes around, so injuries, age, new talent, skill level, etc will all change (both in the positive and negative) and come into play over that period.

Maybe some fringe USA Eagles union players might think about having a go at the 13 man game.
 

adamkungl

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You really underestimate what it takes to play Rugby League if you think some random NFL reject is going to waltz into a World Cup side.
 

Sinman

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They are quality athletes and quality athletes that have trained in professional systems.. The percentage of players that play college American football and then don't make it to NFL is way high.. They wouldn't walk into a world cup side but if that pathway was opened up and more players who missed out started playing in the USARL then there is lots of positives and a couple might make it through..
 

deluded pom?

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Isn't the counter argument to AF players, at any level, not coming to RL is because the roles in AF are so intense and all of the effort is used in short bursts that they usually tend to struggle with the all round skill set and stamina required to play RL?
 

Rugbyflorida

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Awesome tournament..
Canada coming in as favorites and end up last?
Jamaica and their 10+ heritage players winless..
And USARL qualifying for the first time as a group, and with 80% domestic players.

Great to watch from the stands!!
 

Craigo

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Not going to happen.

Why not? If an opportunity presented itself why wouldn't they at least have a go. In saying that however, I have made a few comments over the years about the merits of RL on different American RU platforms and was quite shocked by the extremely negative and dismissive responses I got. The Canadians appear to be a lot more open minded about RL however and seem to be able to see the positives in playing it.
 

adamkungl

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Why not? If an opportunity presented itself why wouldn't they at least have a go. In saying that however, I have made a few comments over the years about the merits of RL on different American RU platforms and was quite shocked by the extremely negative and dismissive responses I got. The Canadians appear to be a lot more open minded about RL however and seem to be able to see the positives in playing it.

Standard Rugby Union fear/bigotry
 

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The American RU scene is very strange, most of the players I've come across know literally nothing about RL, they can't even name any of the rules/differences with RU but have just been taught to hate it by their foreign (usually English/NZ) coaches and so go along with that.
 

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The American RU scene is very strange, most of the players I've come across know literally nothing about RL, they can't even name any of the rules/differences with RU but have just been taught to hate it by their foreign (usually English/NZ) coaches and so go along with that.

To be fair I think that applies to southerners, scots, welsh, Irish. Or at least from my experience anyway. They normally know about the tackle count and that's about it.
My best mate is Welsh and a massive Union fan I've slowly turned him in to a an even bigger league fan. He was so dismissive at first about it being a inferior game. He was over for the GF and if there was any lingering doubt in his mind about which was the better game it was erased in that game.
 
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