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RLWC 2025

taste2taste

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Its really interesting that the French jnrs for years have been more than competitve with England. The lack of development pathways and level of competition and funding in the French league is the only thing holding France back from being competitive on the International Stage. You need at least 100 players at the very top level domestically to be competitive Internationally unless you get really lucky and unearth a group of real stars together at same period of time. At moment France only has about 20 players in the elite level.
A 10 team professional comp would make a huge difference.

It could lead to the 3rd coming of League in France... assuming the game isn't made illegal again...or they decline a TV deal like they did in the 1960's
 

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A 10 team professional comp would make a huge difference.

It could lead to the 3rd coming of League in France... assuming the game isn't made illegal again...or they decline a TV deal like they did in the 1960's
Problem is there isnt the money to fund one. There isnt even 10 decent population sized cities playing league at the moment in France. most in elite 1 have pop's of 10-100k.
 

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IRL Set for Crucial Meeting with RLWC2025 on the agenda​

By
Brian Lowe

The International Rugby League (IRL) board is due to meet in Singapore at the end of this month for what will be one of its most crucial meetings in recent memory.
The big issue that will be front and centre is what to do about the 2025 Rugby League World Cup.
As we know, the 2025 RLWC is now up in the air because the French Rugby League Federation (@FFRXIII) backed out of hosting the tournament at the eleventh hour. The organising committee admitted it couldn’t guarantee that it wouldn’t run at a loss, which was one of the main conditions the Macron government insisted on for it to approve #rlwc2025.

That is now causing some unforeseen dilemmas because 1) it has left the IRL with the massive job of finding a last-minute replacement host, and 2) in turn, that host or hosts will have only two years to get their house in order and that is a very tall order even for cashed up leagues.
Pretty much right after the French Rugby League Federation news broke, it was suggested that Australia and New Zealand could jointly host the tournament just as they did in 2017, or maybe that each could do it independently.
At the same time, three actual bids to host the tournament were submitted by Qatar, South Africa and Fiji. The Qatari and South African bids are for sole hosting rights, while the Fijians would more than likely be part of a joint-host setup, possibly with one or more South Pacific Island nations, or maybe just New Zealand.
So, what is the IRL to do?
Well, IRL chairman Troy Grant and secretary-general Danny Kazandjian have said they are open to all suggestions and will review all ideas put to them in Singapore.
As a result of the French bombshell back in mid-May, most of the RLWC qualifying series that were due to be held later this year were immediately put on hold, at least for the time being.

At the time, Grant said the IRL had no choice but to look at what to do about the qualifiers at the meeting in Singapore.
“Other than a couple of the qualifications that are coming up very soon, we’ve decided it’s not right to run them at some expense if they’re going to be irrelevant to a decision taken in July,” he said. “So, they’ve just been postponed.”
Kazandjian added that a final decision on those qualifying series will likely be made after the meeting.
“We have to go through the process of assessing what we’re doing in 2025 and onwards,” he said. “And we expect any decisions about qualifiers, such as the Americas, after our end of July meeting.”
European Championships that were set to be played in October and November were postponed by the European Rugby League (ERL) because of the uncertain #rlwc2025 circumstances.
“It was a tremendously difficult decision, but the circumstances have left us in an almost impossible position,” said ERL chair Dean Andrew.
“Once RLWC2025 details are known, we expect a revised, transparent and inclusive qualification pathway to be confirmed and fixtures rearranged.”

The US, Canada, Jamaica and Brazil are supposed to play off in the #rlwc2025 Americas region qualifying series, and as always, that series is due to double up as the Americas Rugby League Championship. At the time of the French backing out as hosts, decisions had not yet been made on where and when that championship is to be played.
Presumably, clarification on those things will follow the IRL gathering in Singapore.
Because there isn’t much time to find a replacement host and for that country, or countries, to make #rlwc2025 happen, another possibility the IRL will consider is skipping it completely and looking ahead to 2029, and Grant has not ruled that out.
“So far as the World Cup side of it, that’s a possibility,” he said. “No decisions have been made; everything is on the table.
“If that was to occur, there would still be content of significance in ’25. There’s just been no discussion of substance to answer that but everything’s a possibility at this stage.”
One other option that will likely be on the table in Singapore is to push the 2025 tournament back a year and play it in 2026 so that the hosts will have more time to get all their ducks in a row.
However, as the Australian state of Victoria has shown with its surprise decision to do a FFRXIII and back out of hosting the 2026 Commonwealth Games, money is at the core of whether hosting big international sporting events is financially viable.
The Victorian government claims the projected $2.6 billion it had budgeted to host the Games has now blown out to more than $6 billion and it does not want to take that money away from things like hospitals and schools.
While the final costs for staging #rlwc2021 have not yet been released, those numbers are expected to be tabled this Wednesday (July 26) at the RFL’s annual general meeting.
What is already known is that the Rugby Football League (RFL) got around $47 million in assistance from the British government to help cover the costs of hosting the tournament.
Of course, the cost of a Rugby League World Cup does not run into the billions of dollars and is not as big of a political hot potato as the Commonwealth Games, but it wouldn’t be a stretch to suggest the bill for hosting #rlwc2025 will top anything that we have seen to date.

And taking that notion one step further, given the fact that hosting a Rugby League World Cup is comparatively costly nonetheless, it surely rules out smaller countries that have less than robust economies. In plain English, that means the bids by South Africa and Fiji probably don’t cut the mustard.
On the flipside, it also means that economically speaking at least, Qatar’s bid is perhaps the most legitimate of the three.
The economics of hosting #rlwc2025, along with the shortened time frame between now and then and the logistics of doing so are all genuine issues the IRL will undoubtedly take into consideration in Singapore.
The IRL board meeting opens on Monday, July 31st.
 

bazza

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next RLWC to be held in southern hemisphere in 2026
will be mens, womens and wheelchair

Mens will be 10 teams. 8 quarter finalists from the last WC are in. I guess the next 2 places are via qualifiers

Assume it will be the 4 team "super group" and 2 groups of 3

Womens next world cup to be stand alone in 2028 with next men's WC in 2030 - so a WC every 2 years

 

jim_57

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next RLWC to be held in southern hemisphere in 2026
will be mens, womens and wheelchair

Mens will be 10 teams. 8 quarter finalists from the last WC are in. I guess the next 2 places are via qualifiers

Assume it will be the 4 team "super group" and 2 groups of 3

Womens next world cup to be stand alone in 2028 with next men's WC in 2030 - so a WC every 2 years


Does it need the super group if it’s only 10? Maybe just 2 groups of 5, top 2 in to semis.

A - Australia, England, Fiji, PNG, France
B - NZ, Samoa, Tonga, Lebanon, Ireland

Some big matches in the groups & reasonably competitive.
 

Brian potter

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Does it need the super group if it’s only 10? Maybe just 2 groups of 5, top 2 in to semis.

A - Australia, England, Fiji, PNG, France
B - NZ, Samoa, Tonga, Lebanon, Ireland

Some big matches in the groups & reasonably competitive.
That would make more sense but this is rugby league we are talking about so expect one super group of 4 teams and two groups of 3 teams with 8 teams going through to quarterfinals somehow.
 

jim_57

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France go from host to having to take one of the 2 qualifying spots

Fair chance they miss out too depending how the qualification goes. I think for a World Cup with only 10 teams it has enough Pacific teams but Cook Islands won’t be cut off from qualifying.

I’d imagine they’ll probably just have a Euro Cup with France, Wales, Ireland etc. winner goes straight through, 2nd plays repecharge with Cook Islands and Jamaica/USA.
 

blukablu

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Fair chance they miss out too depending how the qualification goes. I think for a World Cup with only 10 teams it has enough Pacific teams but Cook Islands won’t be cut off from qualifying.

I’d imagine they’ll probably just have a Euro Cup with France, Wales, Ireland etc. winner goes straight through, 2nd plays repecharge with Cook Islands and Jamaica/USA.
I doubt they even give the Cook Islands a chance to qualify TBH. They'll want either 2 European teams or one of either Canada/USA/Jamaica, and 1 Euro team.
 

jim_57

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I doubt they even give the Cook Islands a chance to qualify TBH. They'll want either 2 European teams or one of either Canada/USA/Jamaica, and 1 Euro team.

Maybe and I hope you’re right but I can see them saying that is “unfair” if they aren’t allowed to attempt to qualify, although the counter arguement should just be they could have qualified at the last World Cup. There is definitely enough pacific teams already for a 10 team World Cup.
 

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The 10 team tournament is based upon the 2008 format (not 1995), so it will have 1 'super pool' where the top 3 teams qualify for the finals, and then 1 team will qualify out of the other pools.

The 95 tournament at least allowed for one team from each of the 'non-super' pools to qualify for the Semi Finals.

Not sure why they couldn't at least entertain 12 teams for the Men's, so you could have 3 equal sized pools.
 

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It's absolutely going to be the same format as 08. (1 Super Pool with four teams and two other pools of 3)

The last world cup lost money and that one had 31 matches played. The 08 one only had 17 matches.

Ideally they would have two pools of 5 teams, but that would be 23 matches (assuming top two from each group qualify for the semi finals).
 

Brian potter

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The 10 team tournament is based upon the 2008 format (not 1995), so it will have 1 'super pool' where the top 3 teams qualify for the finals, and then 1 team will qualify out of the other pools.
you mean top 2 from super group?
The 95 tournament at least allowed for one team from each of the 'non-super' pools to qualify for the Semi Finals.
a playoff between the group winners from the other 3 nations groups?
Not sure why they couldn't at least entertain 12 teams for the Men's, so you could have 3 equal sized pools.
beacuse that’s too easy.
 
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