Rnd # 15 Souths vs Titans

[Souths Till I Die]

Cody has more positives than AJ in the fullback position.

I don't agree with this statement. Cody is "safer" back there yes but our attack is non existent when Cody is back at fullback. Sorry I love Sutton as much as the next souths supporter but he is a terrible 5/8th. He either needs to get the ball to Cody quickly or run straight at the opposition. He spends too much time hesitating on decisions and ends up making terrible last tackle options. If we don't start putting points on the board then switching Cody back to 5/8th may be our only option. His stats at fullback are poor.

 

[foreverinourshadow]

Cody has more positives than AJ in the fullback position.

correctamundo .....Shadow....

 

[handyman2190]

You recruit a prop or two though that means you have to release a current prop that we already have. Turner?

Hahaha no please not myles I honestly think his such an overrated player I would much prefer a hard running prop like Hess!

We are slready 1 prop short this year and are playing turner and rochow at prop now tyrell is leaving we need 2 props just to get a proper balance we cant get away with useing second rowers in saying that i believe turner, like tyrell who was a winger and bulked up to play prop, is playing under weight for a forward and should bulk up at least 15kg and stay at prop he isnt a second rower

 

[southsport]

We are slready 1 prop short this year and are playing turner and rochow at prop now tyrell is leaving we need 2 props just to get a proper balance we cant get away with useing second rowers in saying that i believe turner, like tyrell who was a winger and bulked up to play prop, is playing under weight for a forward and should bulk up at least 15kg and stay at prop he isnt a second rower

Turner looks like he needs to bulk up to me too.

 

[handyman2190]

Cody is only a backup at FB its wrong to play him there continually and we are suffering id put bryson back there and cody to 5.8
Buying mortimer is a great idea backup for a few positions snd hands down better than kelly

 

[handyman2190]

Turner is continually pushed back and while a willing defender dosent have the bulk to push them back
5 years ago i was introduced to kasiano at the buldogs club he hadnt brocken into first grade yet and believe me looked like turner
A year later and 15 to 20 kg later look at his effectivness thats what turner needs but not to the same extent of fatness he needs to muscle up

 

[Travitoh]

Turner is continually pushed back and while a willing defender dosent have the bulk to push them back
5 years ago i was introduced to kasiano at the buldogs club he hadnt brocken into first grade yet and believe me looked like turner
A year later and 15 to 20 kg later look at his effectivness thats what turner needs but not to the same extent of fatness he needs to muscle up

It takes more than 1 offseason to put on 15kg of mass without it being fat though. Not unless you've got the same fitness and conditioning guys as Cronulla

 

[callmack1]

Gray looks set to miss this game due to injury. That means that Burns will come onto the wing.

Also, Cherrington will probably be in the 17, Rochow will not.

 

[Rabbits20]

I don't agree with this statement. Cody is "safer" back there yes but our attack is non existent when Cody is back at fullback. Sorry I love Sutton as much as the next souths supporter but he is a terrible 5/8th. He either needs to get the ball to Cody quickly or run straight at the opposition. He spends too much time hesitating on decisions and ends up making terrible last tackle options. If we don't start putting points on the board then switching Cody back to 5/8th may be our only option. His stats at fullback are poor.

I think his stats at fullback have been better than AJ. In regards to how many hit ups and metres he's made he's done a good job. Plus he pops up on both sides of the field and in the middle looking to create something.

If we put Cody back to 6 he needs the support of AJ from fullback and that just wasn't happening as AJ was going AWOL on field.

I think Sutto has just been doing ok. I don't think he's been very poor. I think Sutto will lift these next few weeks.


If we put AJ back to fullback then we have to bring in a player that is still not up for first grade in Burns. All teams would target Burns if he comes back and he can't yet handle the pressure of being peppered and he's not physically strong enough imo.

 

[Rabbits20]

We are slready 1 prop short this year and are playing turner and rochow at prop now tyrell is leaving we need 2 props just to get a proper balance we cant get away with useing second rowers in saying that i believe turner, like tyrell who was a winger and bulked up to play prop, is playing under weight for a forward and should bulk up at least 15kg and stay at prop he isnt a second rower

Can't see Turner bulking up by 15kg.

He could bulk up by 4-5kg but I can't see more than that happening.

 

[Rabbits20]

Gray looks set to miss this game due to injury. That means that Burns will come onto the wing.

Also, Cherrington will probably be in the 17, Rochow will not.

Ah Gray injured again!!!????

What's new bro. Send him packing I say and I hope the Sharks are paying him 450k to sit on the sidelines.

It may also not be due to injury, it may be due to attitude but being kept under wraps.


In the Parra match I thought Cherrington went off clutching his shoulder/arm????

What's up with Rochow????





Oh and Handyman that sense you are talking about re Turner doesn't belong in here. You should know that by how lol.

A few just can't comprehend your intelligence!!!!!!!!

 

[DiegoNT]

Cody walker at fullback 120m per game
Aj 113 per game.

It has to be remembered that aj had burns at the back with him for a few games. Most of the kicks have been away from him. When Cody is back there the majority of kicks have been to him.

Tries and try assists at fullback.
Aj 4 tries 1 assist
Walker 0 tries 2 assists.

Cody had 2 tries and 9 assists at 5-8 before the switch.

So the stats don't back walker. Outside of the stats they are pretty similar. Both have been caught out at kicks. Both have had defensive lapses. Both aren't the strongest of runners although aj is probably the better kick returner.
The thing to forget is it's not just a straight who is better at fullback. It's more which is better,
Fullback AJ, 5-8 Walker
Or
Fullback walker, 5-8 Sutton

 

[Rabbits20]

So AR has not trained at all this week but will play. He is probably only at about 55-60percent.

Also for the Titans Souths til I die Fogarty has been cut from their squad so McQueen will be playing five eighth it seems. I think they'll just use him just to simply make passes and bring players onto the ball.

 

[Rabbits20]

If Burns goes well tomorrow I know on here people will get really excited.

But I won't be buying into that against a reserve grade Titans side.

I'll be waiting to see how he goes against Penrith again plus the Cowboys etc....... then we truly see what I believe to be true.

 

[Souths Till I Die]

It takes more than 1 offseason to put on 15kg of mass without it being fat though. Not unless you've got the same fitness and conditioning guys as Cronulla

Pissed myself at that statement!

 

[Souths Till I Die]

So AR has not trained at all this week but will play. He is probably only at about 55-60percent.

Also for the Titans Souths til I die Fogarty has been cut from their squad so McQueen will be playing five eighth it seems. I think they'll just use him just to simply make passes and bring players onto the ball.

I don't think they're gonna use McQueen at 5/8th to be honest. It makes litttle sense! As for burns he will do his job on the wing. Hopefully he is a lot more confident now than what he first was.

 

[Rabbits20]

I don't think they're gonna use McQueen at 5/8th to be honest. It makes litttle sense! As for burns he will do his job on the wing. Hopefully he is a lot more confident now than what he first was.

Maybe they'll go Zillman to 5/8 pushing Copley or Olive to to fullback which means McQueen plays at centre or wing.


As for Burns I won't be getting excited if he goes well against a reserve grade Titans side missing 11 players.

The test will be when we play Penrith soon if Burns plays in that and against the Cowboys. Then I'll judge him.

 

[Rsag85]

South to win and Burns to get a hat trick

 

[DiegoNT]

Turner is continually pushed back and while a willing defender dosent have the bulk to push them back
5 years ago i was introduced to kasiano at the buldogs club he hadnt brocken into first grade yet and believe me looked like turner
A year later and 15 to 20 kg later look at his effectivness thats what turner needs but not to the same extent of fatness he needs to muscle up

Turner is listed as 103 kg. Other middle men in the nrl in that 100-110 weight range include Gallen and merrin (104kg) glasby (109kg) Prior and j.trbo(107kg) korbin sims (108kg) taupau (110kg) and josh mcguire (102kg) .

Even a just few kilos would be all that's needed if he made the full time switch to a middle role. You wouldn't want him massive, that would negate his strength, the fact that he is mobile. The is particularly needed in his defence. He is great at tackling, getting guys on to their back, getting slow play the balls, controlling line speed.
His big drawback will be his metre making, but i don't believe that will be as bigger factor as some believe. In his stints in the middle so far he has been in the 80-100m range. Not impressive but still decent enough. If Sam and Tom can get back ti being 140m plus runners then Kyles 80-100m added with his big defensive contributions can form a good middle trio

 

[callmack1]

Ah Gray injured again!!!????

What's new bro. Send him packing I say and I hope the Sharks are paying him 450k to sit on the sidelines.

It may also not be due to injury, it may be due to attitude but being kept under wraps.


In the Parra match I thought Cherrington went off clutching his shoulder/arm????

What's up with Rochow????





Oh and Handyman that sense you are talking about re Turner doesn't belong in here. You should know that by how lol.

A few just can't comprehend your intelligence!!!!!!!!

Gray has a facial injury this time.