Rnd 15 vs Storm team list thread

[84 Baby]

Unless the Eels are paying $1.05 (or less) they're a genuine chance of losing. There are no guaranteed wins and the only must win games are in the finals, or when trying to hit a certain ladder position heading into the finals. We can lose this game and still finish top four. That's all that really matters. Finishing first or second would be better but it isn't essential.

We can probably afford to drop two more games this year, which might be this one and the Penrith rematch.

Listening to that Lane interview, it sounded to me like (what I said) we have set a target on that Riff game. Not to take the other teams lightly but we want to be raring at that game

 

[Tooooks]

Or in the reality stakes, the coach can't get the best out of them.

Theyre grown men and professional players. If they need someone to get the best out of them that’s pretty piss weak.

 

[Gronk]

Or in the reality stakes, the coach can't get the best out of them.

Well Bellamy is arguably the best coach of the modern era and when he coached NSW his win / loss was 2/7. So in the reality stakes his 22.2% win makes him a shit coach.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Listening to that Lane interview, it sounded to me like (what I said) we have set a target on that Riff game. Not to take the other teams lightly but we want to be raring at that game

And you can't be up every week. Arthur's said yesterday that our attitude wasn't the problem so much as our energy was down. It's good that we're not downhill skiiers excited about playing the Dragons or the Sharks or the Dogs. Hopefully they're excited about playing the Storm tonight. They might have merkins out but they still have an insane pack.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

Well Bellamy is arguably the best coach of the modern era and when he coached NSW his win / loss was 2/7. So in the reality stakes his 22.2% win makes him a shit coach.

How about Mal the genius by comparison!

 

[84 Baby]

Mate I never said they didn't have weaknesses. In fact I think we are a better team if we played to our full potential just like they do almost every weak. A lot of you guys are thinking of the Rooster of the the last month or so that is an injury depleted mess but still by enlarge playing better then us. I'm talking about how they play more then the outcome. The current injury riddled Roosters hasn't the players to beat a well prepared and drilled quality team, but due to six again rule and it exposing the lesser teams, they have the systems in place to compete and still defeat most teams.

We on the other hand haven't perfected out systems and I'll give benefit of the doubt here and say we are still working on developing ours so we are vulnerable even when we have a full team roster available let alone a couple of players missing.

But when fully fit the Roosters systems is a team that are constantly moving. All players with or without the ball are in motion in attack. Always ready to be used as part of a play or be the decoy or ready to back up if needed. They never really overplay their mark either. They just play well enough to dominate the ruck and the essential 1%ers. Then if tight during the last 20 mins they find an extra gear or two and explode to blow a team away. They don't over play and burn out during the season proper.

They leave the full intensity impact games for the pointy end of the season. We could learn a thing or two from them I think, but our systems have to be in order to do so.

I think we are following that trend (and when Robinson spoke about where they are at, they are definitely doing that this year) and that we haven’t perfected how we do that just yet. And quite probably because:

Or in the reality stakes, the coach can't get the best out of them.

7 years is too long even with some of the challenges to get to this spot. BUT I do think BA is more likely to get there in his 8th year than any likely replacement would in their 1st, 2nd, 3rd year. BA could be a lot like Brian Smith, never win the prize but set the systems up that allow the next guy to. We just need to avoid a Hagan, or if we get a Hagan he better f**ken win it before royally f**king up the systems.

 

[TheRam]

Unless the Eels are paying $1.05 (or less) they're a genuine chance of losing. There are no guaranteed wins and the only must win games are in the finals, or when trying to hit a certain ladder position heading into the finals. We can lose this game and still finish top four. That's all that really matters. Finishing first or second would be better but it isn't essential.

We can probably afford to drop two more games this year, which might be this one and the Penrith rematch.

Listen to you, you think so little of our team and or coach that you are resigned to losing against a depleted Storm that is missing basically their most important players when we are at full strength and then expecting us to be a top 4 team.

The top 4 can always beat one another and generally the bounce of the ball or ref calls can decide it, but what you are saying here is that the Storm at full strength are light years ahead of us and would absolutely blow us apart if at full strength.

I on the other hand think we could beat them at full strength if we got our shit together. But I have doubts about our coach being the right man for the job to do that. But after seeing what Lane said the other day I'm willing to give him a few more weeks to prove he is on track to bring this teams flower to full bloom.

 

[hineyrulz]

Even Bellamy and Robinson lose games they're supposed to win. It's not the measure of a coach.

They also have a history of winning big games, BA not so much.

 

[TheRam]

This is what I’m fearing. And I bet the fill in players play out of their skins tonight.

Of course they will, they have an elite coach who has put systems in place for what nearly 2 decades, that all their players adhere to and follow to the letter. No complacency or excuses ever come out of the Storm. Just hard work, fulfilled potential and success. The players that can't hack it, don't hang around to long in Bellamy's footballing world.

 

[TheRam]

Theyre grown men and professional players. If they need someone to get the best out of them that’s pretty piss weak.

Oh well ok then, you obviously know something every other professional sport in the world doesn't. Maybe you should consult for our club and enlighten them on how we don't need a coach, or anyone to get the best out of the players because they are professionals and we can save so much money by doing away with such nonsenses.

 

[TheRam]

Well Bellamy is arguably the best coach of the modern era and when he coached NSW his win / loss was 2/7. So in the reality stakes his 22.2% win makes him a shit coach.

Great comeback mate. Ahahahaha...not.

 

[Gary Gutful]

Mate I never said they didn't have weaknesses. In fact I think we are a better team if we played to our full potential just like they do almost every weak. A lot of you guys are thinking of the Rooster of the the last month or so that is an injury depleted mess but still by enlarge playing better then us. I'm talking about how they play more then the outcome. The current injury riddled Roosters hasn't the players to beat a well prepared and drilled quality team, but due to six again rule and it exposing the lesser teams, they have the systems in place to compete and still defeat most teams.

We on the other hand haven't perfected out systems and I'll give benefit of the doubt here and say we are still working on developing ours so we are vulnerable even when we have a full team roster available let alone a couple of players missing.

But when fully fit the Roosters systems is a team that are constantly moving. All players with or without the ball are in motion in attack. Always ready to be used as part of a play or be the decoy or ready to back up if needed. They never really overplay their mark either. They just play well enough to dominate the ruck and the essential 1%ers. Then if tight during the last 20 mins they find an extra gear or two and explode to blow a team away. They don't over play and burn out during the season proper.

They leave the full intensity impact games for the pointy end of the season. We could learn a thing or two from them I think, but our systems have to be in order to do so.

Agree wth all of that mate.

 

[Gronk]

Great comeback mate. Ahahahaha...not.

So what is it ? Bellamy can or cannot get the best out his players ? Or does the team he is coaching have something to do with the formula for success ?

 

[Gary Gutful]

I'm not one to pin everything on a single game but I do feel like this is a massive test for us tonight.

I'd like to see us play with a bit more freedom in attack and show the sort of form we were demonstrating at the start of the season.

At our best we should beat that Storm side and I'll be pretty disappointed if we don't.

 

[Gary Gutful]

So what is it ? Bellamy can or cannot get the best out his players ? Or does the team he is coaching have something to do with the formula for success ?

9 Origin games against a red hot maroons team isn't a good indicator.

I doubt there are many clubs that have improved players over the years in the way that Melbourne have. The Roosters are probably the only other one.

I think Bellamy has a lot to do with that, as does C.Smith. Both absolute turds though.

 

[I'm a loser baby...]

I'm not one to pin everything on a single game but I do feel like this is a massive test for us tonight.

I'd like to see us play with a bit more freedom in attack and show the sort of form we were demonstrating at the start of the season.

At our best we should beat that Storm side and I'll be pretty disappointed if we don't.

I too am hoping we win.

 

[Gary Gutful]

I too am hoping we win.

I'll just settle for us scoring more points than them.

 

[TheRam]

So what is it ? Bellamy can or cannot get the best out his players ? Or does the team he is coaching have something to do with the formula for success ?

Of course he can coach. You asking that question is just baiting me mate.

As for Origin, for one he didn't have an all star teams like the QLDers did and two to get the best out of a team like that, that will be playing against out and out superstars right across the board, he needed time to work in his methodology, which SOO does not afford.

So he knew this and pulled the pin. SOO is not club football, it is basically a few bonding sessions and a few training drills to get you all on the same page. These are the best players from either State. They are not there to be coached, they are there because they are at the top of their game. For nearly 10 years, QLD simply had way to many better players then us. Especially spine players wise.

 

[Poupou Escobar]

They also have a history of winning big games, BA not so much.

So we shouldn't stress about a nothing game against a depleted team? Let's wait and see how we go in the finals. These coaches also have a history of losing big games, especially Bellamy.

 

[84 Baby]

I'm not one to pin everything on a single game but I do feel like this is a massive test for us tonight.

Good one Chippy Munkful