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Round 17 vs The Rabbitohs

Fangs

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There has to be some kind of issue within the squad for them to continually keep dropping there bundle like this after small setbacks. If this was a happy, committed squad that believed in themselves and the gameplan this shit wouldn't keep happening.

They need a bloody mindset coach out at Penrith. Should nab that guy the Bulldogs employ.
 

Fangs

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Moylan shattered by match-turning pass

http://www.nrl.com/moylan-shattered-by-match-turning-pass/tabid/10874/newsid/109558/default.aspx

"That bad pass turned the tide and they ran the field and got themselves back into the game," Moylan lamented in the post-game press conference.

"We started really well and that eased the pressure off them and turned the tide a bit and that's not what we're about and what we needed at the time."

‌Despite Moylan blaming himself heavily for the loss – one that leaves the Panthers four competition points adrift of eighth-placed Parramatta and likely needing at least six wins from their final eight games to make the finals – coach Anthony Griffin said there was plenty more wrong with the performance than that one play.

"One pass doesn't kill a game," Griffin said.
 

Fangs

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kinghippo

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And I ain't sure what to do about that.

Give them a rocket? Maybe bench one of the big boys and let Akauola go AWOL for the first 15 so he sets the pace.

If Whare is injured long-term you would assume Peachey will now start at centre. Solves an issue for Griffin who I think has struggled to get Peachey into the game since he moved to the bench.

I don't mind the idea of letting akaoula start, although I can't see it happening. maybe bench RCG who has been carrying and hitting with a fair bit of enthusiasm lately to come on after 20. Either way it's one of the million things that needs to be addressed.
 

BxTom

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There has to be some kind of issue within the squad for them to continually keep dropping there bundle like this after small setbacks. If this was a happy, committed squad that believed in themselves and the gameplan this shit wouldn't keep happening.

Yes, this is my suspicion too.

Tom.
 

kinghippo

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There has to be some kind of issue within the squad for them to continually keep dropping there bundle like this after small setbacks. If this was a happy, committed squad that believed in themselves and the gameplan this shit wouldn't keep happening.

We are very Newcastle like in this regard, but we don't have the excuses they have considering our roster is about 100 times better.
 

cain3y

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I think the 400 plus tackles from the week before made a difference. We looked very flat.
If they don't turn it around against Manly this week we are in big trouble.
Hope Moylan doesn't over play his hand trying to save the season.
 

OldPanther

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I think the 400 plus tackles from the week before made a difference. We looked very flat.
If they don't turn it around against Manly this week we are in big trouble.
Hope Moylan doesn't over play his hand trying to save the season.

Hopefully he doesn't go too conservative either.
 

martielang

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It's interesting that people are trying to point out Moylan as a point of criticism for that game. He's our captain and 5/8 who saw an opportunity and tried to take it. The replay showed the ball slipped out of his hands while passing. Happens to everyone. 99.9% of the time he makes that pass and with the space that CHN had in front of him he scores easily. Other than that he didn't do anything wrong and kept trying all game.

It was the fight that turned the momentum of the game not the pass as well.

Mate if he could hit that pass 99% of the time he'd be an immortal of the game already. He was trying to hit the winger (35m away) not his nearest man. Regardless of the execution, to even think that's the play at that stage of the game, after 2 mins before you'd rolled a perfect kick into the in goal, is just mind boggling. To me, it looked like a player looking for the big individual highlight play (which he tries at least once or twice a game) rather than a player playing for the good of the team & i think he deserves a ton of criticism. He seems to be a protected species on here.

As i said in my original post, but many on here are more selective with their reading then my mrs is with her hearing, Griffin deserves to cop criticism as well.

What irritates me though is the way people talk about the players mindset, dedication etc. etc. etc., being solely the job of the coach. It's ridiculous. They are professional athletes, grown men. It seems very convenient that when we come back against teams, the players get praised for their never die attitude (with minimal praise for the coaches) but when we get dusted it's as if the players are incapable of thinking for themselves or taking responsibility for their actions.
 

betcats

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What irritates me though is the way people talk about the players mindset, dedication etc. etc. etc., being solely the job of the coach. It's ridiculous. They are professional athletes, grown men. It seems very convenient that when we come back against teams, the players get praised for their never die attitude (with minimal praise for the coaches) but when we get dusted it's as if the players are incapable of thinking for themselves or taking responsibility for their actions.
You really don't seem to understand the criticism that people are levelling at the coach or what is expected of a coach at this level.

OF course players are men that need to take responsibility for their own performance, that goes without saying and they get bagged relentlessly when they are going poorly including Moylan, but when we are making the same mistakes over and over the coach is supposed to address them. If our players keep doing the same dumb shit then f**king do something about it coach! If we keep collapsing after mistakes f**king address the issue. Like what do you think Griffin gets paid to do? Put a team list together and tell the usual f**king clichés he spits out every press conference? The best coaches in our game and most games around the world aren't the best tacticians, they are the best motivators. They just have ways of getting players to perform at or near their best consistently. I'll take a great man motivator over a great tactician any day of the wee, Griffin to be shit at both though since both our defence and offense is terrible and in a good number of our games we are getting blown away in the first halves.
 

OldPanther

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Mate if he could hit that pass 99% of the time he'd be an immortal of the game already. He was trying to hit the winger (35m away) not his nearest man. Regardless of the execution, to even think that's the play at that stage of the game, after 2 mins before you'd rolled a perfect kick into the in goal, is just mind boggling. To me, it looked like a player looking for the big individual highlight play (which he tries at least once or twice a game) rather than a player playing for the good of the team & i think he deserves a ton of criticism. He seems to be a protected species on here.

As i said in my original post, but many on here are more selective with their reading then my mrs is with her hearing, Griffin deserves to cop criticism as well.

What irritates me though is the way people talk about the players mindset, dedication etc. etc. etc., being solely the job of the coach. It's ridiculous. They are professional athletes, grown men. It seems very convenient that when we come back against teams, the players get praised for their never die attitude (with minimal praise for the coaches) but when we get dusted it's as if the players are incapable of thinking for themselves or taking responsibility for their actions.

I thought he was trying to hit CHN who was closer in. If it doesn't slip out of his fingers it would've made that distance. I don't remember ever seeing him try to play for the highlights instead of the team.

If people say the players don't deserve criticism they are stupid. They aren't children. My position is that the coach has to answer to our poor record against good teams.
 

betcats

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Our record is poor period. Without the recent four wins in a row we'd be sitting down with the tigers and Newy. Two of those wins were massive come from behind wins in which case our performance was not good. The dogs win was a good performance and we beat Newcastle. The Canberra and warriors wins wouldn't of come against good teams, so we are very lucky to even be in with a shot at this point, our season really should be over already.
 

Tronald Crump

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Our record is poor period. Without the recent four wins in a row we'd be sitting down with the tigers and Newy. Two of those wins were massive come from behind wins in which case our performance was not good. The dogs win was a good performance and we beat Newcastle. The Canberra and warriors wins wouldn't of come against good teams, so we are very lucky to even be in with a shot at this point, our season really should be over already.

Those wins papered over some of the earlier seasons poor performances. The Dragons had our measure in round 1. Boys playing men.
We shouldn't have beaten the Warriors.
We should have lost to Newcastle who got some rough calls and don't know how to win tough atm.
Bulldogs was a good physical win albeit against a weaken side.
And we stole another miracle win against the Raiders that we should have lost.
The have been moments of brilliance but overall a lot of inconsistency periods where once the head goes down, the boys fold like a cheap fold up chair.
Truth is this year we have gone backwards. Sad to say.
 

bebo

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Read everyones posts. Everyone has called him out for it.

But he has one intercept in 5 games with a shitload of tries, try assists and linebreak assists. Cartwright had the opposite. It was intercepts every week. With no tries. No try assists or linebreak assists.

They arent even f**king close to comparable. It was a dumb play by Moylan... or a terrible pass. If not both. But one pass doesnt rule out everything else as that pass is the exception.
Me thinks you are prone to exaggerate yes he through intercepts but not every week and he had 2 try assists against the warriors credited to himself also Yeo dropped a few passes that would have created line breaks but he dropped them granted he was also playing obviously injured but hey keep bagging him for all your worth.
 

betcats

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Those wins papered over some of the earlier seasons poor performances. The Dragons had our measure in round 1. Boys playing men.
We shouldn't have beaten the Warriors.
We should have lost to Newcastle who got some rough calls and don't know how to win tough atm.
Bulldogs was a good physical win albeit against a weaken side.
And we stole another miracle win against the Raiders that we should have lost.
The have been moments of brilliance but overall a lot of inconsistency periods where once the head goes down, the boys fold like a cheap fold up chair.
Truth is this year we have gone backwards. Sad to say.

Exactly. Being in 9th is actually flattering us, we have been much worse than that.
 

mxlegend99

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Mate if he could hit that pass 99% of the time he'd be an immortal of the game already. He was trying to hit the winger (35m away) not his nearest man. Regardless of the execution, to even think that's the play at that stage of the game, after 2 mins before you'd rolled a perfect kick into the in goal, is just mind boggling. To me, it looked like a player looking for the big individual highlight play (which he tries at least once or twice a game) rather than a player playing for the good of the team & i think he deserves a ton of criticism. He seems to be a protected species on here.
How the f**k would you know who he was trying to hit? Nobody knows

That pass could have easily been meant for CHN. The distance was right for it to hit CHN, it was just a couple metres infront of him.

It was either a terribly executed pass to CHN, or a terrible decision to try hitting Whare. No one knows what his intentions were other than Moylan. Or another possible option is he didn't think about our numbers on the right without DWZ being there, and he threw a pass to where he thought Whare would be without actually looking at the situation.

You can clearly see in replays that it slips as he is throwing it, not that it really strengthens the arguement for who he was aiming for either way. But I think it's far more likely he was aiming for CHN or thinking Whare was at centre then him trying to hit the winger on the full. If he wanted the winger to get the ball I think he would have gone for a kick. But again... nobody knows exactly what his intentions were unless he tells us.

He has copped as much shit as anyone, especially when he was at fullback. He is hardly a protected species... infact I don't think one player in our team has escaped being called out for his mistakes this year. Players makes mistakes, people bring it up. What the f**k more do you expect? You want everyone to call for him to be dropped because of a bad pass despite clearly being our best option at 6? If he does that shit every week people will call for him to be dropped. No way you put him to fullback though, it's 6 or not in the team. Edwards has proven he is a far better fullback than Moylan.

And claiming he is going for individual highlights is a load of shit too. He sees something that he thinks is on, he goes for the play and more often then not it works out. That's his job in this team. It's not often that he goes for a play that is never on, and when he does he cops it. Just like Bryce Cartwright does when he throws intercepts, and just like Mansour has for being outleapt so easily. No player is above criticism in our team, but when a player has 20 times as many good plays to his errors ofcourse he will cop less shit then a player who is the opposite of that.

Isaah Yeo has probably copped the least criticism on here, but he still had people calling him out on his errors last week. But one terrible game in a season isn't the end of the world.
 
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