Round 18 v Tadpoles (Sharks)

[Pomoz]

All of the people going on about ET, "We should have kept him, he is going great at the Tigers" seem to think the salary cap doesn't apply to us. Yes he is going well at the Tigers, but he is an expensive player. He was signed as a marquee player. We could not afford to keep him and sign Tamou. The club thought a good prop was a better choice to spend the money on and considering JFH, BC and Yeo can all play lock and will probably become better players than ET, it makes sense to me. Only time will tell if they are wrong, but lets at least stop with this myth that we have an endless bag of money to keep Soward and re-sign Taylor. It is just not as simple as that.

 

[betcats]

We have just as many good young potential props as we do good young potential locks or back rowers however you want to call it so that argument doesn't hold imo. If we were just clearing him out so we could sign Tamou I'd rather we didn't tbh and I like the Tamou signing more than most of us, also did we really need to bring Grevs in this year, I like him but right now Taylor addresses our needs more so than he does.

Unless there's a pretty big turn around in our performances we aren't making the 8 so have we just wasted a year building our squad making it even younger? The team isn't playing any better footy than last season when we finished second last, we've just had less injuries. Have we put together one complete performance this year?

 

[TheFrog]

We finished 11th of 16 last year. That's the difference one win makes.

 

[betcats]

We finished 11th of 16 last year. That's the difference one win makes.

Sorry you are right, It just felt like second last because we had the spoon play off against Newcastle.

 

[age.s]

I don't agree that people are just overreacting after a couple of losses. We lost a few games earlier in the year that we swallowed because there were a raft of positives to look at. The team getting steadily worse is the biggest concern. We've had a few injuries but nothing major. If it turns around then great but that's not the direction we've been heading the last few months.

 

[betcats]

I don't agree that people are just overreacting after a couple of losses. We lost a few games earlier in the year that we swallowed because there were a raft of positives to look at. The team getting steadily worse is the biggest concern. We've had a few injuries but nothing major. If it turns around then great but that's not the direction we've been heading the last few months.

Exactly, we have been getting steadily worse all season. We were completely inept against the sharks, the years where they could just play off these shit performances as a 'rebuilding phase' are gone, if Griffin can't deliver then he can piss off, Gould too for that matter, im sick of the bullshit coming from him in regards to the team talking about 'transitional periods' we've been there for five years you muppet.

Look what Ricky stuart has done for the raiders in just a couple years, they are pushing top four atm. The Eels have had one of the worst seasons ever for any club, lost 12 points, a number of star players and are still playing much better footy than us and with so much more heart than our team. It doesn't take this long to build a decent footy side, Gould has fallen in love with all the young potential of these kids and seems willing to sacrifice season after season so maybe one day we might have a great team if everything falls exactly into place. Really getting over this shit, I hope if we do continue losing the pressure is really turned up on our club because right now we are stuck on a treadmill with a shit coach and an arrogant f**king GM.

 

[mxlegend99]

Gould also loves throwing ridiculous overs at above average players as if they were great players who were the best in their position.

 

[betcats]

Im not convinced he is throwing ridiculous overs at these guys. He talks them up like they are the greatest but that's just part of the game. He has done a lot of good things but if he is happy for the team to continue to perform like this he can f**k off. Ive never seen a GM or CEO of a club make excuses for piss poor performances like Gould has this season.

 

[Mr Angry]

I want Griffin to coach Manly or Saints...oh wait, they already have crap.

 

[Kilkenny]

Seriously, I think some of you will never be happy regardless of who our GM or CEO is?

 

[umina panther]

Seriously, I think some of you will never be happy regardless of who our GM or CEO is?

Haven't had a complete since 2004. Not hard to see why we arent happy. 2014 was a bit of fun ill admit

 

[Kilkenny]

Haven't had a complete since 2004. Not hard to see why we arent happy. 2014 was a bit of fun ill admit

We used to complain when we couldn't recruit anybody and now we complain about paying over's for who we do bring in.

For the most part our current side is made up of juniors who have come thru the ranks, a few modest signings and then there is the higher paid players in Merrin and next season Tamou. I don't get the hate for our GM/CEO given the mess he inherited. Our salary cap is in order, we have the roster, we just need to coach and players to do the business on the field. Whether the coach is up to it, is a matter of opinion and most of you seem to believe he is not. Time will tell but pass judgement at the end of 2017 as far as our current coach is concerned he at least deserves two full seasons before you all write him off.

 

[betcats]

We used to complain when we couldn't recruit anybody and now we complain about paying over's for who we do bring in.

For the most part our current side is made up of juniors who have come thru the ranks, a few modest signings and then there is the higher paid players in Merrin and next season Tamou. I don't get the hate for our GM/CEO given the mess he inherited. Our salary cap is in order, we have the roster, we just need to coach and players to do the business on the field. Whether the coach is up to it, is a matter of opinion and most of you seem to believe he is not. Time will tell but pass judgement at the end of 2017 as far as our current coach is concerned he at least deserves two full seasons before you all write him off.

I've said a lot of times Gould has done a very good job so far but he has had 5 years now and we still aren't a top 8 side, it shouldn't take that long. I follow him on twitter and his whole attitude is just f**king annoying now. We turn in a dog shit performance like we did on Sunday and he is on there talking about how we are a young side and we will better when we are older and this is a transitional period etc all the same stuff we have been hearing for years. The team we have will be young for another 3 years like when do the excuses for underperforming wear out? The coach is unproven at best and hasn't done anything this year to suggest he will come good.

 

[Pomoz]

I've said a lot of times Gould has done a very good job so far but he has had 5 years now and we still aren't a top 8 side, it shouldn't take that long.

Why do you think it shouldn't take that long? Ever run a business? Changing an organisation takes years, literally. We can't go from mediocrity, poor cap management and virtual insolvency to a major player in three years. We have gone after every major half without success and that is probably the most important factor in building a winning team. So we have to build from within. Cleary looks like he could be the first half off the production line. I have no doubt we will have more. Have you looked at what our U20's are doing? They are streets ahead of the second placed team. A lot of these kids are only 18 and could play u20's for a few more years. We just need to nurture them and continue to bring them through.

The Eels have tried to take shortcuts to build a winning roster and look what is happening there. Drugs, fraud, fines, cash in bags. You couldn't make it up. There are no shortcuts. The aim is to have a team of 80% local juniors supplemented by key signings. We are firmly on that path. The considered opinion of league experts is that it takes 50 first grade games for a player to be considered a true NRL standard player. That takes at least two years. Most of our players are still not there yet. Our captain Moylan, has played 65 games. DZW 42, Yeo 46, Peachey 57, Latu 20, Grevsmuhl 34, JFH 12, Cartwright 44, Smith 21, RGC 40, Blake 29, Malaga 57. Wallace with 202 appearances is a stand out. In team maturity terms, we are a pubescent teenager with acne. Our voice has broken but still breaks into a high squeal now and then.

No shortcuts.

 

[Whino]

The considered opinion of league experts is that it takes 50 first grade games for a player to be considered a true NRL standard player. That takes at least two years. Most of our players are still not there yet. Our captain Moylan, has played 65 games. DZW 42, Yeo 46, Peachey 57, Latu 20, Grevsmuhl 34, JFH 12, Cartwright 44, Smith 21,

I hope Will Smith doesn't reach 50 first grade games here.

 

[betcats]

Why do you think it shouldn't take that long? Ever run a business? Changing an organisation takes years, literally. We can't go from mediocrity, poor cap management and virtual insolvency to a major player in three years. We have gone after every major half without success and that is probably the most important factor in building a winning team. So we have to build from within. Cleary looks like he could be the first half off the production line. I have no doubt we will have more. Have you looked at what our U20's are doing? They are streets ahead of the second placed team. A lot of these kids are only 18 and could play u20's for a few more years. We just need to nurture them and continue to bring them through.

The Eels have tried to take shortcuts to build a winning roster and look what is happening there. Drugs, fraud, fines, cash in bags. You couldn't make it up. There are no shortcuts. The aim is to have a team of 80% local juniors supplemented by key signings. We are firmly on that path. The considered opinion of league experts is that it takes 50 first grade games for a player to be considered a true NRL standard player. That takes at least two years. Most of our players are still not there yet. Our captain Moylan, has played 65 games. DZW 42, Yeo 46, Peachey 57, Latu 20, Grevsmuhl 34, JFH 12, Cartwright 44, Smith 21, RGC 40, Blake 29, Malaga 57. Wallace with 202 appearances is a stand out. In team maturity terms, we are a pubescent teenager with acne. Our voice has broken but still breaks into a high squeal now and then.

No shortcuts.

Ricky stuart has the Raiders pushing for a top four spot in about 3 years. Ricky Stuart. Shit even the Tigers are outperforming us right now how long has JT had them for?

I'm not talking about building a real premiership threat here, im just talking about a team that can atleast scrape into the 8 more often than not, we aren't even their yet and after 5 years that is very concerning, Cleary was what 13 when Gus started?. We made our sacrifices in 2012 and 2013 putting out young sides mixed with average journeymen that couldn't really compete, there is no reason we shouldn't be able to push for the top 8 or better now. I'm sorry but its not good enough imo, this team will be young for years its not just going to fall into place next season especially with a coach like Griffin who wants chop and change everything and is terrible at coaching defence. Like he quality of Footy we are playing isn't improving, its getting worse, If Goulds happy with the crap being served up recently just because we have a lot of young kids with potential than he can f**k right off that excuse has worn thin as a fan I want a team that can compete at a decent level now, not a team that maybe will be really good in 3 years if everything goes right and everyone lives up to their potential.

Guys like Cleary and TMM are not just going to have a steady line of progression, like most young halves they will go up and down for at least a couple seasons. It might be two seasons or more before they figure out how to play consistently. Every young half in this comps form goes up and down fairly dramatically. Hunt, Milford, Austin, Brooks, Moses these guys have looked like studs and like park footballers over the last season or two, that will happen here.