Round 2 v Bulldogs

[franklin2323]

There is no way he got passed 100 percent fit, no f**king way.

Mansour v Tigers last year same. As Moylan playing a trial with a broken back... Our Medical staff are terrible

 

[Frankus]

Anyone see that video of the last try? It appears Reynolds holds the marker back and prevents them from chasing the ball and cutting off the inside run from Mbye

I pointed that out to my mate on first view watching the game live. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter once the try is awarded.

 

[Frankus]

I don't think giving TMM a shot can hurt him that much, worst comes to worst he struggles and we move him back to NSW cup or the other side of the coin he goes well and we are laughing.

Rhys Hanbury says hi.

 

[GongPanther]

There is no way he got passed 100 percent fit, no f**king way.

Penrith Panthers can confirm centre Dean Whare will be sidelined for between four and six weeks after suffering a calf injury in last week's loss to the Bulldogs.

The injury is unfortunately a fresh tear and not a re-occurence of the previous calf issue Whare suffered in February.
The New Zealand international has already commenced rehabilitation work with hopes of returning to the field next month.


http://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2016/03/15/injury_update_dean_w_0.html

 

[mxlegend99]

There is no way he got passed 100 percent fit, no f**king way.

Team list Tuesday he is not fit and only being cleared to run. 2 days later we have him playing NRL footy.

It was f**king stupid to risk him. It backfired and you didn't need to be a genius to see it was a huge risk. We give him an extra round recovery and he gets 10 more days and is more than likely fit to play an extra 5 games this year. Fresh tear or not. He shouldn't have been playing. 2 days is not enough time to be able to cope with the pace of Nrl footy.

 

[betcats]

Penrith Panthers can confirm centre Dean Whare will be sidelined for between four and six weeks after suffering a calf injury in last week's loss to the Bulldogs.

The injury is unfortunately a fresh tear and not a re-occurence of the previous calf issue Whare suffered in February.
The New Zealand international has already commenced rehabilitation work with hopes of returning to the field next month.


http://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2016/03/15/injury_update_dean_w_0.html

Seem very unlikely it is unrelated.

 

[betcats]

Rhys Hanbury says hi.

So no 20 year olds are ever ready for FG? Even if they are doing well in nsw cup? Giving him a run off the bench is not going to set him back unless he gets injured which could happen anytime at this club.

 

[Pomoz]

So no 20 year olds are ever ready for FG? Even if they are doing well in nsw cup? Giving him a run off the bench is not going to set him back unless he gets injured which could happen anytime at this club.

I'm not sure anybody is saying that, I think caution is mainly what is being advised given how hard it is to succeed in the NRL. That and hope, that TMM is an exception and takes to FG like a duck to water and doesn't end up on Spud's sick list. At least he won't be lonely there...

WTF are the Panther's commercial department doing? If they can't get BUPA to be a main sponsor, then they aren't really trying. A match made in heaven. An endless supply of crippled young people to use in headlines like "he's so glad he went with BUPA. He'll get only the best care when they sew his tendon's back on the bone".

Sorry, random thought, but our injury nightmares frustrate the hell out of me. "We don't have soft tissue injuries, so it's not our training". Yeah, if you say so. Our trainers couldn't get Usain Bolt in condition....

 

[Kilkenny]

Parra last night accomplished what we failed to do. Go on with the job. Shame because we had enough opportunities.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Parra last night accomplished what we failed to do. Go on with the job. Shame because we had enough opportunities.

The Eels have a better team than we do. That's probably why.

 

[mxlegend99]

Bulldogs are shit and it was shown last night. Sea Eagles will be flogged regularly this year and we played better than them and still lost. Although if we had a fit side I believe we win that easily.

 

[mxlegend99]

The Eels have a better team than we do. That's probably why.

Bump.

Also our shitty wingers are doing alright.

Josh Mansour:
All Run Metres - 931m gained (2nd Highest, 186, per game)
All Runs - 86 (avg. 10.8m per run)
Linebreaks - 4 (equal 6th)
Tries - 3
Tackles - 36
Missed Tackles - 2
Errors - 5

Semi Radradra:
All Run Metres - 661m gained (19th highest, 132m per game)
All Runs - 78 (avg. 8.5m per run)
Linebreaks - 1
Tries - 2
Tackles - 27
Missed Tackles - 9
Errors - 6

DWZ:
All Run Metres - 520 (104m per game)
All Runs - 64 (avg. 8.1m per run)
Linebreaks - 1
Tries - 0
Tackles - 31
Missed Tackles - 5
Errors - 6

Dallin is slightly behind Semi in most areas, but is superior defensively and considering he is bouncing back from injury it's impressive that there's not much between them.

Mansour is ahead of him in every stat. Makes more runs per game, makes more metres per run he makes, has more linebreaks, more tries, less errors and absolutely shits on him defensively.

Yet you claim that Semi plus any winger is better than our pairing. :lol:

Semi is a gun winger and any team would take him. But look at what our wingers are doing compared to the best winger in the competition and you will see why we think our pairing isn't too shabby.

Mansour leads the way for metres gained on the wing and he was quiet the first 2 rounds. 200+ metres gained the past 3 weeks. Only 2 errors in the past 3 weeks. He's starting to find his form from 2014 again now that he is playing without injury.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

They are doing fine.

They are not the best wing pairing, and I think DWZ is easily the most overrated player in our starting line-up. But if we win with them in the side, I couldn't care less.

Should I go bump predictions that you got wrong? No, because that's petty bullshit...

 

[mxlegend99]

No one said they are THE best. They said they are one of the best and you said they weren't. Then you tried pulling shit out your ass to say we were wtong.

This wasn't a wrong prediction. This was you claiming our players werent that good. Tgats an opinion not a prediction. You were unable to name a better winger pairing without listing blokes who were guilty of the same shit you bag our guys for.

You bagged them through trials for errors. Yet the guys you listed as better were just as error prone. the best winger in the game is varely ahead of the player you said is overrated and he's coming back from a serious injury that has effected the feeling in one side of his body.

he's definitely nowhere near his best. But he's not fully recovered from his injury. He's still in the top half of the wingers in the competition and when paired with Mansour easily puts us in the top few pairings.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Mansour is a meter eater, for sure. But he has so many other flaws to his game as a winger that I simply do not consider him to be elite in his position. And DWZ is miles away. As I said, I would have Radradra over both of them, the Sharks wingers, the Cowboys wingers. Get over it.

But how about we talk about your bagging of Hiku then? Yes, he has the most missed tackles (equal to Cartwright, by the way). But he is also our top try scorer and top offloader and taken the second most runs? The guy who has half the errors of DWZ? Why not look at all his stats?

Don't talk to me about pulling shit out your arse. You are the king of it, mate. If can't you accept that people have different opinions to you, and feel the need to cherry pick stats from specific time frames to big up your favored players and then ignore the same stats when you decide to dislike a player, then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, and I also predicted the Eels would win, so go bump that, you idiot.

 

[maple_69]

Well argument aside I think Mansour looks to have sorted his biggest draw back in defensive decision making. He has been bang on in defence despite Hikus misses. He's never going to be spectacular in the air or in open play but for the type of winger he is, he is executing damn well.

 

[billypilgrimnz]

Well argument aside I think Mansour looks to have sorted his biggest draw back in defensive decision making. He has been bang on in defence despite Hikus misses. He's never going to be spectacular in the air or in open play but for the type of winger he is, he is executing damn well.

See, I can agree with that. I would have Mansour in the side despite his weaknesses in certain areas. His strengths easily outweigh his negatives. Just like 90% of the rest of our team - no player is perfect.

But good old mx seems to believe that a five-game period of stats renders all arguments moot; except of course when the stats work against his opinion, and then he gets to go back to the "stats don't tell the whole story" line of thought.

 

[Exsilium]

I think Hiku has been our best back over the first 5 rounds. Followed closely by Mansour.

I agree with Billy, stats can be tailored to suit any argument.

Blake had one acceptable performance in twenty-two outings and zero outstanding games

 

[mxlegend99]

Mansour is a meter eater, for sure. But he has so many other flaws to his game as a winger that I simply do not consider him to be elite in his position. And DWZ is miles away. As I said, I would have Radradra over both of them, the Sharks wingers, the Cowboys wingers. Get over it.

But how about we talk about your bagging of Hiku then? Yes, he has the most missed tackles (equal to Cartwright, by the way). But he is also our top try scorer and top offloader and taken the second most runs? The guy who has half the errors of DWZ? Why not look at all his stats?

Don't talk to me about pulling shit out your arse. You are the king of it, mate. If can't you accept that people have different opinions to you, and feel the need to cherry pick stats from specific time frames to big up your favored players and then ignore the same stats when you decide to dislike a player, then I don't know what to tell you.

Oh, and I also predicted the Eels would win, so go bump that, you idiot.

Ive given Hiku props for his attack. Repeatedly. But if he scores 4 and lets in 6 what good is that to us? For the record that's not how many tries he has let in. That's just an example. This guy was signed on a big contract as he is a Kiwi international and is only doing half the work he should be. He is our most experienced international back while Whare is out.

If he was a rookie learning the ropes I could forgive poor reads. But a Kiwi international who looks clueless in defence is ridiculous. Brad Takairangi looked like Greg Inglis carving up a NSW Cup player. Unless he's bouncing back from an injury I can't see how this is acceptable.

You would rather the Sharks wingers over ours? Did you not see Valentine Holmes butcher 4 or 5 tries in a single match? He's their star winger and he sure as hell isn't any closer to his potential than DWZ is at the moment. You would crucify him for the same errors without doubt. Holmes made Blake 2015 look safe.

Cowboys wingers are doing solid. But they're still just solid wingers in the best team in the competition. If we traded ours for theirs they would turn to shit and ours would be scoring more tries than they dreamed possible.

How am I cherry picking stats from a specific time frame? Those are the stats for this year you. I didn't need to cherry pick anything to prove our wingers are well above average. Just head over to NRL.com and these are the stats they give you. They have done that themselves in a losing team.

No one is calling our wingers THE best. They believe as a pairing there's not many better pairings. Which is a fact. Either one of our wingers would walk into any team in the competition. Some teams would make room for both. Theres only a handful of wingers who would walk into our backline. No club has 2 of them though.

Edit
Also Cartwright is disappointing in defence. But while he misses about the same amount of tackles he makes a lot more and doesn't flat out leave gaping holes in our defence. He needs to improve though. He can't be an elite forward if he's only half the package.

 

[mxlegend99]

See, I can agree with that. I would have Mansour in the side despite his weaknesses in certain areas. His strengths easily outweigh his negatives. Just like 90% of the rest of our team - no player is perfect.

But good old mx seems to believe that a five-game period of stats renders all arguments moot; except of course when the stats work against his opinion, and then he gets to go back to the "stats don't tell the whole story" line of thought.

Come back here in another 5 games and we will see how they're doing. 5 games is all we have right now. If they remain fit I expect both to be doing even better... well maybe not Mansour as his last 3 weeks he has busted out over 600 metres for only 2 errors. Scored a couple tries and generally looked like he did pre-injury. But I think DWZ will continue to improve. As his fitness improves so will his form and confidence.

Although we really need to attack down the right more often to let him shine. Moylan should fix that though. As will Whare returning.