Round 21 V Sharks

[Dave's mate]

I agree. May will be let go, Lui super sub at 14, Kenny will play 80 mins. The Peach will not return. Calling it now. Now club make it happen.

Luai has shown very little impact in that role

 

[age.s]

Luai deserves a solid shot at the 6 next year. Burton can develop in CC and cameo in NRL when injuries hit.

One thing about the two though, I think Luai will be more like Johnson in that his skills are more physical (agility, speed). A serious injury or two might cruel him. Burton on the other hand looks both sturdier and with skills that aren't so volatile. Those soft hands out in front for a perfectly weighted grubber will be as effective coming back from an ACL as at any other time.

 

[herbert henry1908]

People have short memories, Luai's first game as a starter was much better than Burton's. He just hasn't had the consistency of football in FG yet to show what he can do.

I don't see Luai as a reserve at all, in fact he's been pretty poor there. His best games have easily come as a starter. If he doesn't get a starting role with us, he'll get it at another club.

 

[herbert henry1908]

Maybe not at the start of the season. I think Luai will be given his opportunity with Burton playing CC.

I would however be extending both. Luai until end 2021 so he can play 2020 without constant contract speculation. Burton until 2022 so he has the opportunity to do the same in 2021 (remembering he's only 19).

Luai is already under contract until the end of 2021.

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2018/11/19/luai-signs-new-panthers-deal/

 

[OldPanther]

People have short memories, Luai's first game as a starter was much better than Burton's. He just hasn't had the consistency of football in FG yet to show what he can do.

I don't see Luai as a reserve at all, in fact he's been pretty poor there. His best games have easily come as a starter. If he doesn't get a starting role with us, he'll get it at another club.

People only see the new. It's why Kenny is favoured and now Burton.

 

[franklin2323]

People have short memories, Luai's first game as a starter was much better than Burton's. He just hasn't had the consistency of football in FG yet to show what he can do.

I don't see Luai as a reserve at all, in fact he's been pretty poor there. His best games have easily come as a starter. If he doesn't get a starting role with us, he'll get it at another club.

Luai has the flair but I have yet to see him kick to the corners or turn defences around with kicks. I am talking lower grades too. That is what Burton brings and that is why both need to be in the 17 somewhere

 

[franklin2323]

People only see the new. It's why Kenny is favoured and now Burton.

Depends what you are looking for really. Personally I like halves that are calm and solid kicking games. Neither of those things are Luai doesn't mean those saying Luai should be 6 are wrong

 

[franklin2323]

Just watched the game, Burton will be the 6 next year calling it now.

I hope so. Luai can play in another position but I think Luai still starts the year in 6

 

[herbert henry1908]

Luai has the flair but I have yet to see him kick to the corners or turn defences around with kicks. I am talking lower grades too. That is what Burton brings and that is why both need to be in the 17 somewhere

Only way I see them both in the team long term is if one plays fullback, otherwise we'll lose one. The one time Luai played FB he had a shocker, though.

 

[herbert henry1908]

People only see the new. It's why Kenny is favoured and now Burton.

There's probably some recency bias at play, re hooker I see it as a wash. Neither are particularly good. They're serviceable hookers, but so far not much more.

 

[herbert henry1908]

I hope so. Luai can play in another position but I think Luai still starts the year in 6

I'm not so sure Luai can play another position. I think he's a 7 or 6. He'd need to change his whole approach to play in the centres. Maybe he could play fullback.

Burton I think looks like he could play a whole heap of positions. Maybe everything from 1 to 6.

 

[Abacus]

Luai is already under contract until the end of 2021.

https://www.penrithpanthers.com.au/news/2018/11/19/luai-signs-new-panthers-deal/

In that case, I wouldn't extend Luai to 2021

 

[OldPanther]

Depends what you are looking for really. Personally I like halves that are calm and solid kicking games. Neither of those things are Luai doesn't mean those saying Luai should be 6 are wrong

That's reasonable. Different people value different things.

 

[Fangs]

Burton/Cleary is not nearly as dynamic as Luai/Cleary.

Burton was doing things on Friday night that Cleary should be controlling by now e.g. kicking for touch. I imagine it will be a big focus in the off-season as Cleary doesn't appear to manage games much at all. That must change in 2020.

 

[Abacus]

FWIW, I'm happy to wait until Burton has played more than 1 NRL game before I try to comparatively assess he & Luai, let alone make longer term roster changes.

 

[franklin2323]

Burton/Cleary is not nearly as dynamic as Luai/Cleary.

Burton was doing things on Friday night that Cleary should be controlling by now e.g. kicking for touch. I imagine it will be a big focus in the off-season as Cleary doesn't appear to manage games much at all. That must change in 2020.

Cleary seems to be playing the ball often on the 5th tackle. That is my reasoning behind it

 

[franklin2323]

FWIW, I'm happy to wait until Burton has played more than 1 NRL game before I try to comparatively assess he & Luai, let alone make longer term roster changes.

I said earlier when we going poorly I'd like to see Luai at centre. Burton even works there and have them on the same side that way you are covered

 

[franklin2323]

I'm not so sure Luai can play another position. I think he's a 7 or 6. He'd need to change his whole approach to play in the centres. Maybe he could play fullback.

Burton I think looks like he could play a whole heap of positions. Maybe everything from 1 to 6.

Then Burton is the one to replace Whare and he plays like Girds did back in the day as a 2nd 5/8th. I just think over the course of a year whoever is 6 will struggle from time to time. So need to have cover somewhere

 

[Flashstep]

The one thing Burton has going for him getting the nod over Luai is that it looks like he has a decent kicking game, Luai I haven’t really seen that from him yet, although I think Luai probably deserves first shot at 5/8 next year.

 

[maple_69]

I don’t mind the idea of either at centre in attack but no idea how they’d go with the decision making in defence. Switching Edwards into centre inside the 20 and Luai/Burton the sweeping/floating fullback could be good though.

Naden doesn’t seem quick enough between the ears for centre. I think he could be a good winger if anything.