Round 25 | Cowboys 22-14 Knights @ Dairy Farmers | Sat 7.30pm

[Apey]

God we suck at wrapping up the ball.

Wouldn't surprise me if we concede the most offloads in the comp...

 

[chinorocks]

He was crap. He made a linebreak early in the tackle count and tried to throw a miracle ball to Gagai when he had 4 defenders surrounding him. That was the highlight of his night.

 

[chinorocks]

I'm absolutely certain we do. Its not the offloads that kill us. Its the late offloads. When theres 3 defenders holding a guy up, all our other defenders are retreating back the 10 and we still let them get there arms free. Its a minimum free 10 metres everytime.

 

[Yosh]

Didn't see the game, but was Roberts really that bad or is everyone here looking for someone to blame rather than just accepting we simply weren't good enough?

Worst game i've seen from the bloke.

He made a hugely terrible defense read which opened up a gap for Bowen. Bowen should there for a moment because even he was shocked by TRobert's read...

 

[shane1970]

Luke WALSH is Andrew Johns compared to this nuffy !

 

[Spot On]

Geez, what a load of shit. Tyrone missed two tackles for the entire 80mins. Have a look at Slowden's count.

Tyrone hasn't set the world on fire the past two weeks but I am still a fan and hope we stick with him. I very much doubt Kurt Gidley is the answer at halfback.

There are major problems having Costigan at backup half for Bedsy. That is a major weakness. Nev's defense and mistake rates are for worse that Tyrones.

Tyrone has played less than a season of NRL. He is now our scapegoat. Matt Bowen makes 5 linebreaks and yet the four other blokes that let him slice through go without punishment.

Ksde Snowden has been almost without criticism in here. He has been a major disappointment for the money he is on and experience he has. A dud. Need only look at the two starting props he played against last night to see he is nowhere near a rep standard player.

McKinnon gives away a ridiculous penalty, gets put on report and gets hooked. Mason has a very poor performance with errors, Costigan gets caught out at marker and nearly concedes us a try, Mullo misses a vital tackle that leads to a try, Houston's read and miss on Thurston's try was pathetic but Tyrone seemingly is the blame for the loss?????

 

[doggone]

Glad I missed the game after all the above comments! It was only a matter of time for the other teams to target Roberts. seen it creeping in over the last couple of weeks.

Anyhow we still have the NSW Cup side in the top four so maybe we can focus on them for finals footy! I think the first grade team for next year is anyone's guess not worth thinking about at this point!!

 

[Jono078]

You're defending Roberts by having a go at Mason who has been arguably our best player since arriving here and he didn't have the best game and his first error in a long time? Come on dude!

Houston on Thurston was horrible - agreed. WTF did Kade do wrong? He didn't look levels below Tamou or Scott IMO.

McKinnon been solid all year as well.

Roberts may have missed 2 tackles, but it's all context with them. 2 that lead to tries and were just piss poor attempts.

 

[Whats Doing]

You're defending Roberts by having a go at Mason who has been arguably our best player since arriving here and he didn't have the best game and his first error in a long time? Come on dude!

Houston on Thurston was horrible - agreed. WTF did Kade do wrong? He didn't look levels below Tamou or Scott IMO.

McKinnon been solid all year as well.

Roberts may have missed 2 tackles, but it's all context with them. 2 that lead to tries and were just piss poor attempts.

Not to mention his pass to no one on the 6th tackle in our own half which put us under further pressure, his ridicolous attempted pass to Gagai after he made a break when taking the tackle was the only option.

I won't go and say he is as bad as Shane says he is but he clearly lacks confidence for a NRL play maker and cracks under pressure whether it is in attack or defence.

 

[Joker's Wild]

I didn't do a great job of explaining myself so I'll try again.

The difference between us and the better teams is those three things, we aren't strong enough in each of them. Forget tonight, that's irrelevant, losing mid season games to the raiders and titans when they were going like busteds sealed our fate.

We don't have the cattle, established and coming through, our junior nursery is barren if Roberts and tets are examples. Compare us to big guys and it's pathetic. We haven't exactly hit the market either, Scott is our only recruit for 2013.

We don't have fierce competitors in the team, blokes who just push through adversity through sheer willpower, we used too, not anymore.

Finally, the hunger isn't there like the top teams, we don't want it enough, dropping 5 straight mid season was proof of that. Look at the 1%'s, we just don't scrap and fight for every last possession and in every tackle, things runs against and we drop our bundle.

We used to be unbeatable at home, now we likely won more on the road than we did infront of the fans.

Bennett won't be happy with 2012 and neither should we, we have a better team that's performed worse than previous years.

Until we get the same mentality as the top teams, we arent in the race, ffs Manly are going to go close to winning the comp 3 times in about 5 years, with all their infighting and financial issues.

When are we going to be a challenger again?

I get where some of your negativity is coming from mate because I share it to a degree but the fact that the boys have come back from 18-0 deficits on what, 3 occasions this year, kinda disproves the bolded part.

I think our team is looking good for next year, not premiership material yet but it is on track. Cutting some of the dead wood, bringing in some quality hard men and developing some really good young forwards will see us improve significantly imo.

We are short a good half and that is my only real concern

 

[Tom155]

Not to mention his pass to no one on the 6th tackle in our own half which put us under further pressure, his ridicolous attempted pass to Gagai after he made a break when taking the tackle was the only option.

I won't go and say he is as bad as Shane says he is but he clearly lacks confidence for a NRL play maker and cracks under pressure whether it is in attack or defence.

he had a bad game but on that 6th tackle play he had guys on him as soon as he got the ball he was just trying to keep it alive as we needed points this time it didnt come off, the rest it was his worst game for us especially the missed tackles

shane obviously has some other issue with him going by his ridiculous over the top criticism

some people want to make him the scapegoat but bennett obviously rates him, he has played less than a season of 1st grade i hope we are patient and stick with him.

 

[Newie is God's Country]

Luke WALSH is Andrew Johns compared to this nuffy !

Bennett could do wonders for Walsh. I'd be happy for him to return tbh. Always close to Panthers best.

 

[Whats Doing]

he had a bad game but on that 6th tackle play he had guys on him as soon as he got the ball he was just trying to keep it alive as we needed points this time it didnt come off, the rest it was his worst game for us especially the missed tackles

shane obviously has some other issue with him going by his ridiculous over the top criticism

some people want to make him the scapegoat but bennett obviously rates him, he has played less than a season of 1st grade i hope we are patient and stick with him.

Not sure whether Bennett rates him or more likely he had no other options with Gidley and Stig out for the season and Smith probably too young.

To me he just seems to lack real confidence and never really involves himself as a half should. This lack of confidence leads to making bad decisions under pressure.

Whether he is a shy type which results in a lack of confidence I am not sure. He does have potential deep down but unless he overcomes his lack of confidence his time in NRL will be very limited once the halves come back and Smith gets some more experience.

 

[Jono078]

My POV on Roberts is, I don't think he's bad. He's showed that he's got some ability.

I've just been disappointed by his last couple of weeks now when the big games come up and we needed to perform he is the one that put the team under ultimate pressure.

 

[Spot On]

You're defending Roberts by having a go at Mason who has been arguably our best player since arriving here and he didn't have the best game and his first error in a long time? Come on dude!

Houston on Thurston was horrible - agreed. WTF did Kade do wrong? He didn't look levels below Tamou or Scott IMO.

McKinnon been solid all year as well.

Roberts may have missed 2 tackles, but it's all context with them. 2 that lead to tries and were just piss poor attempts.

Hang on a minute, did anyone else miss tackles that lead to tries?

You are being very kind to Slowden if you believe he was a shade on the Cowboys props. Either that or you have very low expectations of him.

And I am in no way bagging Mason. He has shit over our forwards including Slowden since he arrived. The point was many players made some very ordinary mistakes last night and Tyrone was one of them. No one player should shoulder all the criticism when it was plain for all to see how bad many others were.

 

[Spot On]

My POV on Roberts is, I don't think he's bad. He's showed that he's got some ability.

I've just been disappointed by his last couple of weeks now when the big games come up and we needed to perform he is the one that put the team under ultimate pressure.

Yeah me too. He had a purple patch there and showed some talent. He has had how many games at 7 in his NRL career? Hmmm maybe he needs time???

Where was all the criticism of Tyrone by some people here over the past two months??

 

[Spot On]

Glad I missed the game after all the above comments! It was only a matter of time for the other teams to target Roberts. seen it creeping in over the last couple of weeks.

Anyhow we still have the NSW Cup side in the top four so maybe we can focus on them for finals footy! I think the first grade team for next year is anyone's guess not worth thinking about at this point!!

All up we missed nearly 40 tackles. Tyrone missed two. One of them was a chase on a kick to Bowen and he and the inside defender made a miserable attempt to lay a finger on him. Bowen goes on to make 5 line breaks and four others Knights defenders escape criticism for missing him.

Targetted?? Every half should be. Thurston should have had big blokes running over him all night. He missed 6 and made 14. Scott Prince missed 10 against the Panthers. 10 mate.

Make of it what you will.

 

[Tom155]

Not sure whether Bennett rates him or more likely he had no other options with Gidley and Stig out for the season and Smith probably too young.

To me he just seems to lack real confidence and never really involves himself as a half should. This lack of confidence leads to making bad decisions under pressure.

Whether he is a shy type which results in a lack of confidence I am not sure. He does have potential deep down but unless he overcomes his lack of confidence his time in NRL will be very limited once the halves come back and Smith gets some more experience.

dont think stig was injured when roberts got his first chance over him this year when gidley missed just 1-2 games early in the year, when he was hurt the 2nd time and out for the season yes he was & bennett didnt have many other options, however thats not just what i was going off ive seen a number of times now bennett has singled tyrone out for praise after a game and in the preseason.

 

[Frederick]

You're defending Roberts by having a go at Mason who has been arguably our best player since arriving here and he didn't have the best game and his first error in a long time? Come on dude!

Houston on Thurston was horrible - agreed. WTF did Kade do wrong? He didn't look levels below Tamou or Scott IMO.

McKinnon been solid all year as well.

Roberts may have missed 2 tackles, but it's all context with them. 2 that lead to tries and were just piss poor attempts.

You are the skeepe of the knights forum. Deadset, how can you sit there and say, in all seriousness, that kade didn't look that far below Scott or tamou? The difference in class between their forwards and ours was unmistakeable. Scott and Tamou shit all over Snowden and Mason from a very great height. No sleight on mason, he's been great for us since joining. Snowden, however, has not earnt that big pay cheque that Tinkler gave him, and needs to have a huge year next year

 

[Jono078]

WTF does the Skeepe of the Knights forum mean, not following on that one at all..

I'll admit the vision I watch isn't HD quality, but I don't see what Snowden did wrong last night? Only thing I dislike about him is his slowness in defense, but it hasn't been that much of a problem for us.