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Round 25 | Cowboys 22-14 Knights @ Dairy Farmers | Sat 7.30pm

Round 25 result :: Cowboys vs Knights


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I'll play this game. It got us two premierships and regularly into the semis over a 10 year period??

But I think you missed the point Yosh- we don't need a dominant halfback, we need someone that is consistent and has a bit of quality about them. Unfortunately, it takes a fairly special player to have those characteristics in their first season so I'm not quite ready to give up on Roberts just yet.

Thats spot on Burwood.
 

Tom155

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I'll play this game. It got us two premierships and regularly into the semis over a 10 year period??

But I think you missed the point Yosh- we don't need a dominant halfback, we need someone that is consistent and has a bit of quality about them. Unfortunately, it takes a fairly special player to have those characteristics in their first season so I'm not quite ready to give up on Roberts just yet.
johns was different he was one of a special few that could carry a team

a better example atm is thurston and the cowboys
 

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which is why i bolded the 7's & labeled them both to distinguish between them

& you need to watch more footy if you think pearce, finch & orford are quality players & hornby who is the best of that bunch is/was just solid at best

Anasta is and always has been overated

how many people do you need to show you are wrong to finally realise it? the only one making themselves look foolish is you

You are comparing the players as of today and not at their prime you clown.

A Dally M winner and Storm player of the year and you think he was just solid.

You are a deadset goose.
 

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which is why i bolded the 7's & labeled them both to distinguish between them

& you need to watch more footy if you think pearce, finch & orford are quality players & hornby who is the best of that bunch is/was just solid at best

Anasta is and always has been overated

how many people do you need to show you are wrong to finally realise it? the only one making themselves look foolish is you

You bolded Justin Smith as a no. 7.

In 2005 he played 15 games at 5/8, 6 in the second row, 1 at centre and 6 from the bench.

How is that a no. 7. :lol:

You continue to show how much of a clown you are where you have very few facts to back your claims
 

Tom155

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You bolded Justin Smith as a no. 7.

In 2005 he played 15 games at 5/8, 6 in the second row, 1 at centre and 6 from the bench.

How is that a no. 7. :lol:

You continue to show how much of a clown you are where you have very few facts to back your claims
the source i saw had him at HB in the grand final if that is wrong then ignore it

all you are showing is your argument is very weak when all you have is name calling and insults & not much by the way of facts

& with that meltdown from you im done arguing with you for now
 
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RABK

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Don't need a classy halfback to win a title but you certainly need one of your halves to be having the season of their lives or you need one half to be a near immortal eg Johns, Lockyer, Fittler.

For every example anyone can come up with of a fairly mediocre half winning a title or making a GF check their halves partners. Guarantee it is some legend or someone having the best season of their career. Hayne 2009, and possibly Barba 2012, is probably the only example of a side been carried to a GF with mediocre halves. Every side needs some brilliance in the halves to be a serious contender.


We don't have a legend however we do have a very talented guy who can dominate a game in Mullen. Some nuffbag outside him, which is exactly what Roberts is, isn't going to cut it because Mullen game quickly deteriorates when his half partner is putting a tonne of pressure on their own side.

Call me made but i consider Mullen to be a lot like Keiran Foran - not in playing styles or strengths but as in his strengths shine so well when his halves partner, DCE, directs the majority of the play and he can inject himself once a set with a quality run, kick or ball movement. DCE is pure quality, players of his quality ain't available very often. But the attitude he has towards his game can be replicated.

I think Mullen needs some 'general' touching the ball 3 or 4 times a set organising the majority of plays and ball movement which allows him to 'inject' himself. A guy who can kick decently, run to the line, support runners and keep the forwards rolling. Call me mad but i actually think Gidley can play this role and it is a huge shame looking back that seeing Gidley develop in the 7 for a full season isn't one of the 'positives' we can draw from 2012.

Laurie Daley is probably the perfect example of a player i can give of a player who allowed a bloke to direct 80% of the ball direction before injecting himself so successfully. I would near guarantee Daley produced a higher ratio of line breaks, tries, try assists and line break assists per receive than any other play in RL history. Mullen is also a quality of quantity man.
Sure Stuart been your halves player and an all international side around you doesn't hurt but my point isn't comparing Mullen and Gidley to them in quality - just in how they could go about their games to be a premiership winning halves pair. Boyd ain't a bad third half either.

I think Tyrone and Mullen together is too much injection not enough direction.
 
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the source i saw had him at HB in the grand final if that is wrong then ignore it

all you are showing is your argument is very weak when all you have is name calling and insults & not much by the way of facts

& with that meltdown from you im done arguing with you for now

You started the issue by being a smart arse and telling me "to quit while I am behind".

Anyway no more from me
 

RABK

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shane perry
matt orford

(6) Daniel Mortimer & Jeff Robson (7)
Justin Smith
Sean Rudder
Brett Finch
Ben Hornby
Braith Anasta
Mitchell Pearce

None of these are quality dominant halves yet all made the grand final with some winning it

quit while your behind

shane perry - Darren Lockyer, a future Immortals greatestever season
matt orford
- did you watch 2008? Orford was in sublime form all year. Great player
(6) Daniel Mortimer & Jeff Robson (7) - Hayne 2009 would have carried roopy and yosh to the 2009 GF
Justin Smith - Jonathan Thurston a possible immortal.
Sean Rudder - sigh....
Brett Finch - Future immortal Brad Fittler
Ben Hornby - Soward having the season of his life and producing outstanding stats. Hornby is a good player
Braith Anasta - Sherwin having the season of his life and producing outstanding stats. Anasta was also a very good player
Mitchell Pearce - Carney having the season of his life and producing outstanding stats, Pearce had the best seaosn of his career


Mullen could be the guy 'having the season of his life and producing outstanding stats' if we get his halves partner taking some pressure off him and not leaving everything to him.
 

Yosh

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I'll play this game. It got us two premierships and regularly into the semis over a 10 year period??

But I think you missed the point Yosh- we don't need a dominant halfback, we need someone that is consistent and has a bit of quality about them. Unfortunately, it takes a fairly special player to have those characteristics in their first season so I'm not quite ready to give up on Roberts just yet.

We had some of the best players in the game around him:
Robbie O
Tahu
Midley
Bedsy
Kennedy
Chief
Simpson
Pedan (lol debatable)

I've missed a dozen more for sure.

Post 2003 we had:
Carmont
Quinn
Tanner
Ryenldson...

A dominate halfback is obviously a great luxury but you can't win with just one great player.
 

Yosh

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I would still like to see Tyrone in the 14 jersey as an interchange hooker. He is pretty quick and has a great dig in defense. Ease him into the 7 jersey and we got a keeper.
 
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Wtf? You don't need a dominate halfback to win shit. Everyone in the team has a role and if they play thier roles we'll win games. We relied on a dominate halfback for years and wher'd that get us?

I think Tyrone is the future knights halback. He has ticker which i like about him. Made some bad calls on D and in attacking but i'm sure he'll be a better player for it.

His chase and tackle on Tate was gold. He didn't give up and saved a try.

I loved his show behind the back and go when he made that linebreak. That's something our halves don't do often enough.

Snowden been average after coming back. Can you blame him? He just got back after weeks out. He'll pick it up next season lol...

McKinnon brain explosion was because the guy on the ground was tesiting and holding onto McKinnon's leg. Doesn't justify what McKinnon did but i like aggressive forwards. He is gonna be real good in te future. Has an air of Simpson about him.

2 premierships?
 
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...... and so where does this halfback we need come from?????

You tell me........ What i know is we have a slow developer or a kid who struggles with the organisational side of things. Roberts has talents. I just think we can do much better elsewhere
 
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Yosh

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Train him to be a good halfback by putting him at hooker?

Watchoo smokin Yosh my boy?

Yup. I think every new young halfback should serve a interchange hooker apprenticeship. 25 odd minutes a game to ease into first grade. He'll get a baptism of fire defending up the middle and i believe there is a lot to learn playing hooker for a halfback.
 

Spot On

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You tell me........ What i know is we have a slow developer or a kid who struggles with the organisational side of things. Roberts has talents. I just think we can do much better elsewhere

I can't disagree there.

However, I'm not suggesting looking outside of Roberts. I can't and won't defend his past couple of weeks. But if we are going to find, try and then sack every half we give a go to at number 7 after 14 or 15 weeks then we will be having the same discussion for years to come. We will be Parra waiting for the next Sterlo to arrive. I am more than happy to give him a go next season. If Bennett has a solution to the Bedsy problem (not Costigan) and plays Gids at half then great. I hope that works but have doubts.

Roberts has a mile of improvement to be up to scratch but he aint the only bloke playing below par. There are some blokes in our pack who need a big kick up the arse.

So, where do we get this halfback from?
 

IanG

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Watching NRL Extra and when the charges were mentioned Alex McKinnon's name wasn't mentioned. Which I found extrordinary considering I thought he was lukcy to stay of the field
 

Joker's Wild

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Pffft there was nothing in it Ian. It was a slap to a players forehead in the end

Christ, if Jeremy smith can get away with throwing a forearm to Roberts face then Alex deserves to be well in the clear
 

Jobdog

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Something which I only became aware of now, we didn't have a single tackle in the Cowboys 30m area in the second half. Makes it really difficult to score points when that happens...
 

Jono078

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There has been a number of games this year where we have had possession issues and made points hard to come by.

What's it due to? Kicking game, go forward? Kick-chase, muscling up in defense down their end. Probably all of those.
 

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