Round 5 v Souths

[TruSaint]

not from our previous record in the wet!

Yeah, meant to imply it wont be a blowout.

 

[denis preston]

"I dont believe it" as Victor Meldrew would say. Our so and so coach has picked the same spine as that which oversaw our thrashing last week. He is not listening to our fans. Does he read the many comments on this forum. He'd be shocked if he did.
He has left the kids in limbo too instead of giving them encouragement and confidence that comes with a run of games. Many here were saying that '22 would be a building year with the three amigos at the centre of it. Four games in and all three are playing lower grades.. feeling abandoned. We saw last year what these talented kids bring to the table with their combinations. We actually won games when they were on the field and working their magic.

Sorry BG ,but as one very famous coach said many years ago ( paraphrasing ) "coaches that took advice from the fans are condemned to sit with them rather than a coaches box " How do you know what the young kids are feeling ?

 

[baggygreen man]

piss Lawrie off

Lawrie had one poor match and every one wants to crucify him. His past record of go forward is as good as any prop. A little up and down admittedly. Even in the first three games of this season he made 15-123, 12-68. 12-91. Nothing average about those metres except the 68. The willingness and involvement is there, except last week when he inexplicably only had 3 carries for the match. One poor game and he is banished to the bench. I dont see Bird, Mbye, McCulloch on the bench tho.

 

[baggygreen man]

How do you know what the young kids are feeling ?

I dont. But do you think they'd be happy about the situation.

Griffin is playing selection favorites.. I know it, you know it, we all know it.

 

[Inisai Toga]

"I dont believe it" as Victor Meldrew would say. Our so and so coach has picked the same spine as that which oversaw our thrashing last week. He is not listening to our fans. Does he read the many comments on this forum. He'd be shocked if he did.
He has left the kids in limbo too instead of giving them encouragement and confidence that comes with a run of games. Many here were saying that '22 would be a building year with the three amigos at the centre of it. Four games in and all three are playing lower grades.. feeling abandoned. We saw last year what these talented kids bring to the table with their combinations. We actually won games when they were on the field and working their magic.

Thank heavens he’s not listening to the fans; he’d be in straight jacket by now.

What we saw last year was potential ability and hope but didn’t win too many. Abandoned, really? somehow don’t think so. Let’s not let facts get in the way…

 

[st.phil]

back to the future - the rookies were not to blame for the losses, step back to the bad old days, dont like it

 

[jeffdragon]

Lawrie had one poor match and every one wants to crucify him. His past record of go forward is as good as any prop. A little up and down admittedly. Even in the first three games of this season he made 15-123, 12-68. 12-91. Nothing average about those metres except the 68. The willingness and involvement is there, except last week when he inexplicably only had 3 carries for the match. One poor game and he is banished to the bench. I dont see Bird, Mbye, McCulloch on the bench tho.

How many times has he passed the ball?
He doesn't bend the defensive line.
They smash him especially close to their line.
And how many times does he come back on the inside.
He should be nowhere near our attack.
I hope they aren't the instructions.
Like a trombone in the violin section.

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[jeffdragon]

Sorry BG ,but as one very famous coach said many years ago ( paraphrasing ) "coaches that took advice from the fans are condemned to sit with them rather than a coaches box " How do you know what the young kids are feeling ?

Couldn't be any worse .
Maybe after our last two games maybe he should sit with the fans instead of the box.
Sloan was fine in tbe first two rounds.
Then suddenly he needs to go back to Reggies
Like Mary he said Lomax had first crack at fb
Then he lasted one week there. Same shit different season.

 

[denis preston]

Lawrie had one poor match and every one wants to crucify him. His past record of go forward is as good as any prop. A little up and down admittedly. Even in the first three games of this season he made 15-123, 12-68. 12-91. Nothing average about those metres except the 68. The willingness and involvement is there, except last week when he inexplicably only had 3 carries for the match. One poor game and he is banished to the bench. I dont see Bird, Mbye, McCulloch on the bench tho.

No doubt BG he is having a go but I would like to see his post contact metres in those games. He gives his all but i wonder if this is why his , and the sides, second halves have been bad in some games ?

 

[since77]

Lawrie had one poor match and every one wants to crucify him. His past record of go forward is as good as any prop. A little up and down admittedly. Even in the first three games of this season he made 15-123, 12-68. 12-91. Nothing average about those metres except the 68. The willingness and involvement is there, except last week when he inexplicably only had 3 carries for the match. One poor game and he is banished to the bench. I dont see Bird, Mbye, McCulloch on the bench tho.

You must be watching a different Blake Lawrie to me. He’s bog average.

 

[be55]

Fullback move not permanent for Moses Mbye​

Wed, 6 April 2022, 4:47 pm


Moses Mbye insists he is merely keeping St George Illawarra's No.1 jersey warm for axed youngster Tyrell Sloan.
Mbye will play at fullback again against South Sydney on Saturday night, after coach Anthony Griffin made the call to drop Sloan to reserve grade.
Griffin is clear he made the call to protect both Sloan and benched five-eighth Talatau Amone, with the Dragons languishing at 1-3.

But Griffin's decision came after a summer where the Dragons' built their team around their next generation, with Sloan and Amone both aged 19.
Mbye made a point to meet with Sloan on Wednesday morning, claiming the regular No.1 was in a good head space despite naturally being upset by the call.
"There's no doubt he will be the fullback of this club in the future. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that," Mbye said.
"We haven't been playing well as a group and sometimes when (it's like that) it's hard to get your confidence.
"When you're learning and your confidence is shot you're not getting much out of it. I think that's that's the angle Hook (Griffin) was going with.
"Tyrell or Hook will probably decide (when he returns). He's a quality player and he's going to be a good player for a long time."
Mbye endured a tough night against Parramatta, missing a tackle in the lead-up to a try and fumbling a kick before another in the 48-14 loss.
It marked his third role in as many weeks, coming off the bench as a utility in the first two rounds before playing hooker in place of the injured Andrew McCullough against Cronulla.
But he is well aware that will be the story of his season, particularly in a Dragons side still searching for its best team.
"In four games I've played four or five different positions," he said.
"That's my role, it is a big task. There's a lot of information to digest, but to get it right for the team is my job.
"As long as I apply myself to the best of my ability and don't let anyone down. That's that's what it's about."

 

[TruSaint]

Fullback move not permanent for Moses Mbye​

Wed, 6 April 2022, 4:47 pm


Moses Mbye insists he is merely keeping St George Illawarra's No.1 jersey warm for axed youngster Tyrell Sloan.
Mbye will play at fullback again against South Sydney on Saturday night, after coach Anthony Griffin made the call to drop Sloan to reserve grade.
Griffin is clear he made the call to protect both Sloan and benched five-eighth Talatau Amone, with the Dragons languishing at 1-3.

But Griffin's decision came after a summer where the Dragons' built their team around their next generation, with Sloan and Amone both aged 19.
Mbye made a point to meet with Sloan on Wednesday morning, claiming the regular No.1 was in a good head space despite naturally being upset by the call.
"There's no doubt he will be the fullback of this club in the future. I don't think anyone's going to argue with that," Mbye said.
"We haven't been playing well as a group and sometimes when (it's like that) it's hard to get your confidence.
"When you're learning and your confidence is shot you're not getting much out of it. I think that's that's the angle Hook (Griffin) was going with.
"Tyrell or Hook will probably decide (when he returns). He's a quality player and he's going to be a good player for a long time."
Mbye endured a tough night against Parramatta, missing a tackle in the lead-up to a try and fumbling a kick before another in the 48-14 loss.
It marked his third role in as many weeks, coming off the bench as a utility in the first two rounds before playing hooker in place of the injured Andrew McCullough against Cronulla.
But he is well aware that will be the story of his season, particularly in a Dragons side still searching for its best team.
"In four games I've played four or five different positions," he said.
"That's my role, it is a big task. There's a lot of information to digest, but to get it right for the team is my job.
"As long as I apply myself to the best of my ability and don't let anyone down. That's that's what it's about."

PR 101.

 

[justadragon]

hi all, new the forum, have been a passionate dragons fan for over 50 years and have been a forum watcher for a long time interested in fans views and opinions, thought i'd throw in my 2 cents for what its worth finally.
I to didnt like the spine that was chosen for the parra game but i wonder what hook wouldve said if sloan was in and we got flogged the way we did. my gut feeling is more experience in first grade for our youngsters is required. if you have a look at all our teams across the club they are getting hammered, so having a stint in ressies is not proving to be viable for any reason, cant see how confidence can be built by getting flogged by 50 each week anyway. there needs to be a review done fairly quickly across all grades at the club to see why our performance is so bad. be it the coaches, the facilities , the game plans etc, mind you maybe we should look at the dragons nrlw side and what makes them work so well after being spooners last year. anyway once again thanks for having me here. cheers

 

[slippery5]

Lawrie had one poor match and every one wants to crucify him. His past record of go forward is as good as any prop. A little up and down admittedly. Even in the first three games of this season he made 15-123, 12-68. 12-91. Nothing average about those metres except the 68. The willingness and involvement is there, except last week when he inexplicably only had 3 carries for the match. One poor game and he is banished to the bench. I dont see Bird, Mbye, McCulloch on the bench tho.

Are we talking about one poor match this year? because he has had plenty of "no impact" matches throughout his career.
Although he has been better this year to a certain degree, but he wouldn't even be on my bench in front of
McGuire, H.Hunt, Coric, M.Molo, Woods.

 

[Illusion]

hi all, new the forum, have been a passionate dragons fan for over 50 years and have been a forum watcher for a long time interested in fans views and opinions, thought i'd throw in my 2 cents for what its worth finally.
I to didnt like the spine that was chosen for the parra game but i wonder what hook wouldve said if sloan was in and we got flogged the way we did. my gut feeling is more experience in first grade for our youngsters is required. if you have a look at all our teams across the club they are getting hammered, so having a stint in ressies is not proving to be viable for any reason, cant see how confidence can be built by getting flogged by 50 each week anyway. there needs to be a review done fairly quickly across all grades at the club to see why our performance is so bad. be it the coaches, the facilities , the game plans etc, mind you maybe we should look at the dragons nrlw side and what makes them work so well after being spooners last year. anyway once again thanks for having me here. cheers

Agree and Welcome to the mad house mate .....

 

[Trifili13]

As we all aspire for the Dragon's to be a top 3 or 4 side consistently, ask yourself this question - if any of the current top teams had a roster position for a starting or bench prop in order to fight for the premiership, would they be scouting Lawrie to bring to their team next year?

I get that the guy gives his all and may bleed for the Dragon's, but IMO he is hardly someone that the opposition coaches would make game plans against to nullify his threat.

 

[Dragon David]

hi all, new the forum, have been a passionate dragons fan for over 50 years and have been a forum watcher for a long time interested in fans views and opinions, thought i'd throw in my 2 cents for what its worth finally.
I to didnt like the spine that was chosen for the parra game but i wonder what hook wouldve said if sloan was in and we got flogged the way we did. my gut feeling is more experience in first grade for our youngsters is required. if you have a look at all our teams across the club they are getting hammered, so having a stint in ressies is not proving to be viable for any reason, cant see how confidence can be built by getting flogged by 50 each week anyway. there needs to be a review done fairly quickly across all grades at the club to see why our performance is so bad. be it the coaches, the facilities , the game plans etc, mind you maybe we should look at the dragons nrlw side and what makes them work so well after being spooners last year. anyway once again thanks for having me here. cheers

Welcome to the Dragons forum justadragon. You being a passionate Dragons fan for over 50 years, you would have been able to witness a lot of the highs and lows of the club. Luckily we have had several highs in terms of premierships in the seventies and then one in 2010 and also highs in several games in general. However, as you know we have had quite a number of lean years which would tip the scale somewhat to the lows particularly of late.

I agree that there should be some sort of review/investigation into why in general we have been getting hammered in many of the junior games and reserves on top of first grade. I am sure that every week this is being done, but it must be a massive work in progress - maybe just too many cogs in the wheel to get things to click.

Anyway, I'm sure with more attention to detail and better planning, our teams will be on the up....one day.

 

[TruSaint]

hi all, new the forum, have been a passionate dragons fan for over 50 years and have been a forum watcher for a long time interested in fans views and opinions, thought i'd throw in my 2 cents for what its worth finally.
I to didnt like the spine that was chosen for the parra game but i wonder what hook wouldve said if sloan was in and we got flogged the way we did. my gut feeling is more experience in first grade for our youngsters is required. if you have a look at all our teams across the club they are getting hammered, so having a stint in ressies is not proving to be viable for any reason, cant see how confidence can be built by getting flogged by 50 each week anyway. there needs to be a review done fairly quickly across all grades at the club to see why our performance is so bad. be it the coaches, the facilities , the game plans etc, mind you maybe we should look at the dragons nrlw side and what makes them work so well after being spooners last year. anyway once again thanks for having me here. cheers

Welcome to the forum mate.

We are probably in the same age bracket, so I get your angst.

You raise some good points re the youngsters, and the overall direction of the Club. The best I can offer you is that success starts at the top, i.e board, management, recruitment and coaching staff.

Just look at the squad we have running out this weekend. Our game plan. Our roster etc etc.

We as a collective are bog average and my exhibits for evidence can be found in the last decade.

As fans we will continue to "wish" for the best. However, until this club I love changes it's trajectory, that's all it is.. Wishful thinking. The custodians should be ashamed.

 

[justadragon]

Welcome to the Dragons forum justadragon. You being a passionate Dragons fan for over 50 years, you would have been able to witness a lot of the highs and lows of the club. Luckily we have had several highs in terms of premierships in the seventies and then one in 2010 and also highs in several games in general. However, as you know we have had quite a number of lean years which would tip the scale somewhat to the lows particularly of late.

I agree that there should be some sort of review/investigation into why in general we have been getting hammered in many of the junior games and reserves on top of first grade. I am sure that every week this is being done, but it must be a massive work in progress - maybe just too many cogs in the wheel to get things to click.

Anyway, I'm sure with more attention to detail and better planning, our teams will be on the up....one day.

Thanks DD for the welcome and to all the others as well.
I just find that this year we are doing particularly worse than previous across all the grades. Just looking at the KOE dragons side with the amount of NRL experience in it getting beaten by parra the way they did was just so disappointing. I remember reading on here that one member was at that game and the whole squad seemed totally disinterested or frustrated. Whats the excuse for that so early into the comp, i have no idea but its the coaches job to know. Anyway heres hoping for a big improvement soon, right across the park

 

[Dragon David]

As we all aspire for the Dragon's to be a top 3 or 4 side consistently, ask yourself this question - if any of the current top teams had a roster position for a starting or bench prop in order to fight for the premiership, would they be scouting Lawrie to bring to their team next year?

I get that the guy gives his all and may bleed for the Dragon's, but IMO he is hardly someone that the opposition coaches would make game plans against to nullify his threat.

If we did a full comparison of all of the props in the first grade competition, Blake Lawrie would most probably be at the bottom and this might apply to him if the same comparison was made of the props in reserve grade. We all know that he tries, but he is just not good enough. I've never ever really seen him break tackles, menace and threaten the opposition with any guile or crafty intelligence - just catch the ball and run hard all robotically. He is slow to get off the man after he makes tackles and at times leading to 6 agains.

Do we have a forwards coach?

We used to have quality front men and now we just have quantity.