Round 7 Vs The Roosters

[Kilkenny]

No one disagrees with Dylans actual attributes, just it gets pointed out he isn't a great ball player. I dont know how that equates to him not being one of the best fullbacks in the game, everyone acknowledges what he is great at.

I’ve never said he is.

His lack of ball playing skills didn’t hamper our ability to participate in five consecutive grand finals and win four of them.

This whole ball playing fullback is a myth, there has been a multitude of them but as history shows the side with the fullback who has no ball playing skills has been the most successful in the modern era.

Not much point having a fullback with great passing skills, creating attacking opportunities if he is no where to be seen when a grubber is kicked perfectly into our own in goal.

He was what we needed as part of our unequalled success and he deserves to be recognised as such.

Just to be clear I‘ve never suggested one of his strengths was ball playing. Didn’t think I had to.

 

[Chins]

That’s fine and I fully understand but at the same time your views largely undervalue the contribution of Dylan Edwards to five consecutive grand finals with a four peat. We couldn’t have achieved such success without Dylan despite this notion about being his lack of ball playing ability. 75% or more of the current NRL fullbacks rely either on power or pace with ball playing thrown in as a bonus. You say miles ahead but that fails to recognise stopping tries, cleaning up at the back, doing the hard yards is equally as important. Turbo doesnt do the defensive side of the fullback role anywhere close to Dylan, neither does any other fullback currently. There is no fullback in the game who can be involved in a tackle on one side of the field and magically turn up and be involved in a tackle in the other corner. No one, not one. He doesn’t get the credit he deserves.

I do not. He's the best defensive fullback I've ever seen, he also has zero ballplaying ability. Both things can be true

 

[age.s]

Turbo definitely is not the better fullback. Taking them both at their peak I'd have Dyl, no question.

A try saved is as valuable as a try scored.

 

[Kilkenny]

I do not. He's the best defensive fullback I've ever seen, he also has zero ballplaying ability. Both things can be true

Well yes I guess.

His ball playing probably doesn’t rank 17th in the NRL but some just want to play down his overall contribution because of this perceived weakness and I just don’t even think it should be a talking point.

 

[soc123_au]

I’ve never said he is.

His lack of ball playing skills didn’t hamper our ability to participate in five consecutive grand finals and win four of them.

This whole ball playing fullback is a myth, there has been a multitude of them but as history shows the side with the fullback who has no ball playing skills has been the most successful in the modern era.

Not much point having a fullback with great passing skills, creating attacking opportunities if he is no where to be seen when a grubber is kicked perfectly into our own in goal.

He was what we needed as part of our unequalled success and he deserves to be recognised as such.

Just to be clear I‘ve never suggested one of his strengths was ball playing. Didn’t think I had to.

He is recognised as such. He won the greatest ever Panther fullback slot on this forum in a landslide. The only knock I've ever seen here is his lack of ballplaying ability which you agree with. I'm just commenting on you defending him by pointing out what he is great at, that everyone already agrees with. There is no argument here.

 

[soc123_au]

Turbo definitely is not the better fullback. Taking them both at their peak I'd have Dyl, no question.

A try saved is as valuable as a try scored.

Turbo is probably defensively sound, no one really knows for sure because he aint on the field enough to tell.

 

[Chins]

He is recognised as such. He won the greatest ever Panther fullback slot on this forum in a landslide. The only knock I've ever seen here is his lack of ballplaying ability which you agree with. I'm just commenting on you defending him by pointing out what he is great at, that everyone already agrees with. There is no argument here.

Dyl was the perfect fullback within the 2020- 2024 spine but once Yeo is done we can't carry him and Kenny.

 

[soc123_au]

Dyl was the perfect fullback within the 2020- 2024 spine but once Yeo is done we can't carry him and Kenny.

Not sure his body holds up much past Yeo being done, so probably not something we will need to worry about sadly. Hopefully he cracks the 200 game mark and would love to see 250, but that will see him out I'd say.

 

[Kilkenny]

He is recognised as such. He won the greatest ever Panther fullback slot on this forum in a landslide. The only knock I've ever seen here is his lack of ballplaying ability which you agree with. I'm just commenting on you defending him by pointing out what he is great at, that everyone already agrees with. There is no argument here.

As a side issue to this ball playing debate, it kind of gets up my nose, concerning the hype around the Broncos Reece Walsh the love from the media when the hype doesn’t in any way match the reality week in week. For every good pass there are probably three other that hit the advertising hoardings, liability in defence, positionally unsound but all of a sudden he produces the one magic moment and the media commentators are in premature ejeculation mode. I know he is a poster boy, like Ponga who is another who flatters to deceive for the most part. I understand the desire of having a ball playing fullback but I really don’t think there are that many, not as many as some seem to suggest.

 

[WestyLife]

As a side issue to this ball playing debate, it kind of gets up my nose, concerning the hype around the Broncos Reece Walsh the love from the media when the hype doesn’t in any way match the reality week in week. For every good pass there are probably three other that hit the advertising hoardings, liability in defence, positionally unsound but all of a sudden he produces the one magic moment and the media commentators are in premature ejeculation mode. I know he is a poster boy, like Ponga who is another who flatters to deceive for the most part. I understand the desire of having a ball playing fullback but I really don’t think there are that many, not as many as some seem to suggest.

Walsh is a liability at the moment. I wouldn't take him over Edwards. He has the potential to be damn good though.

 

[Luke Bowden]

He was by far our most consistent in 2024. If you disagree then wow

He’s a solid NRL player, no doubt, but he’s not the current NSW, Australian Back rower and Clive Churchill recipient is he….

Honestly…. He’s solid without being outstanding. Martin is elite.

 

[age.s]

Walsh is kind of the other angle of what I think Chins broader point is with Dyl I think. He's being asked to do a bunch of things he's not suited to. Walsh is very quick and has freakish footwork. He's not a playmaker in the traditional sense, not yet anyway and I almost spit my drink when I read a headline about him becoming a defensive minded player. Simplify his game, have him sniffing around the edge of the ruck and running circles around slower guys (ie, pretty much everyone) and he'd go much better.

 

[Kilkenny]

Dyl was the perfect fullback within the 2020- 2024 spine but once Yeo is done we can't carry him and Kenny.

Again you ignore the positive things that he brings to the side defensively.

That is my whole point in this debate.

I actually made a post an hour or so ago in which I suggested I don’t think he can see out his current deal. I think injury, toll on his body will catch up with him, no shame in that. Time will tell.

I hope he achieves the 200 game milestone, I’m not sure he gets to 250, might just be a bridge to far.

 

[Pomoz]

Poor old Turbo, if he was a Panther playing Pantherball for the last five years he would have been in pieces. Pantherball places a great toll on players physically, Turbo would have pulled more muscles than a physio at an over 80’s dance night. When fit our attack would, as Westy put it, have been a war crime but our conditioning staff would all have new cars paid in cash with all the OT they would get.

He is in the best place for him. Get rolled out every six weeks to showcase his talents for say a month and then rolled back in again for treatment. Plenty of hospitals on the North Shore and the Corso is nearby for when he wants to race the public again.

 

[hindy111]

It will be interesting who Ivan goes with in the six.

Does Cole come straight back in, our does Blaize get another chance. Does he gamble with Laurie or Toelou.

Ive got no idea personally, maybe roll the dice and give Trent another chance, his starting replacing Nathan wasn’t great but he could be worth another chance.

I think he drops Blaize 100%

 

[Oldpanther86]

Poor old Turbo, if he was a Panther playing Pantherball for the last five years he would have been in pieces. Pantherball places a great toll on players physically, Turbo would have pulled more muscles than a physio at an over 80’s dance night. When fit our attack would, as Westy put it, have been a war crime but our conditioning staff would all have new cars paid in cash with all the OT they would get.

He is in the best place for him. Get rolled out every six weeks to showcase his talents for say a month and then rolled back in again for treatment. Plenty of hospitals on the North Shore and the Corso is nearby for when he wants to race the public again.

Yeah I was talking alternate universe where he can stay fit. As it is Edwards is our best option.

 

[Murraymob1]

Serious question for you all. Considering the Panthers edge defenders have been caught out a lot this year, do you think your club made a wrong move in keeping Luke Garner and letting Zac Hosking go? To me, Hosking always seemed like a better defender.

You guys have seen more of them play than I, so just interested in your views. Cheers.

No garner is a better all round player

 

[martielang]

He’s a solid NRL player, no doubt, but he’s not the current NSW, Australian Back rower and Clive Churchill recipient is he….

Honestly…. He’s solid without being outstanding. Martin is elite.

He’s elite at his best moments but realistically someone like Dave Fifita would get hung and quartered by the media if he put up the stats Martin does most weeks. Martin seems to escape criticism because of his performances in SOO/GF etc

 

[Luke Bowden]

He’s elite at his best moments but realistically someone like Dave Fifita would get hung and quartered by the media if he put up the stats Martin does most weeks. Martin seems to escape criticism because of his performances in SOO/GF etc

Yeah I don’t agree.

He doesn’t get criticised because he doesn’t deserve it… pretty simple

 

[Aliceinwonderland]

Yeah I don’t agree.

He doesn’t get criticised because he doesn’t deserve it… pretty simple

Martin is NOT a stat padder.